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One Piece: Egghead
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One thing I want to note for Vegapunk's statistics. I think we should remove the "Large Planet level with Mother Flame" rating for now. As far as we know currently, the Vegapunks do not have a way of weaponizing the Mother Flame itself. All we know is that York was able to send a portion of it to the World Government and the World Government was somehow able to use it, likely through the use of an Ancient Weapon, but Vegapunk isn't confirmed to have developed a weapon on that level himself.
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Sure, I'm fine with that. I do think that it should at least be mentioned somewhere though.
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I don't think this scan indicates that Fujitora or Ryokugyu is superior to the Seraphim. (I mean, I can totally believe that they're more powerful than them based on vibes, but this scan doesn't demonstrate that). There is no general statement that the Admirals > the Seraphim.
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I'm not sure Franky should have a statistics value next to his laser, it makes it seem like he is Low 5-B with lasers but the description is that he can dura neg with them. Maybe it's just me that thinks it looks wrong?
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The 'Saikou Senryoku' title given the fact that Aramaki and Issho were drafted as admirals because of their monstrous strength. That scales them above the Seraphim.
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That title has no connection to the Seraphim.
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We don't know that the Seraphim were even ready to be deployed when Aramaki and Fujitora were recruited to the Navy. They've seemingly only been sent out on combat missions around the time of the Wano Country arc.
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And I mean they're still that
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Kizaru:
Zoro:
Sanji:
Jinbe:
Kuma:
Gorosei:
Not sure if it's intentional or not by Saturn scales to "up to 59.44 Zettatons" and the rest of the Gorosei scale to the 3.014 Zettatons despite their justifications claiming they're relative.
The linked scans don't really provide any evidence that he can increase the power and speed of his lasers by charging them.
Not sure the term "Tanked" is right for this justification considering we see Kizaru bleed from this strike, maybe "withstood" or "took" would be more appropriate
Zoro:
"He fought against and matched Sanji's Diable Jambe" was removed despite the justification still being present in Zoro's speed justification, there doesn't seem to be any valid reason to remove these feats either.
The justifications are fine, the issue is the value linked in the sandbox doesn't match the feats. Awakened Lucci scales above his hybrid self who scales to 3.014 Zettatons but Zoro here in this key is being scaled to 188.362 Exatons, I'm assuming this is an error as Lucci's justifications has him scaling above this version of Zoro to justify his >3.014 Zettatons ratings.
Instead of higher/far higher it needs to be rated at "Small Planet level" like his AP.
Sanji:
Not sure why this justification lists S-Shark as "water-amped" as in the image he isn't in water (land due to his DF) and would receive no such amp, and in the context of this feat I'm not really sure how said amp would even be relevant as being in water only increases the potency of fish-man karate and doesn't make him any harder to knock away with a kick.
Besides the Germa Awakening one I'm not sure if these feats listed justify as lifting strength justifications, in my opinion they are AP feats.
My issue here is the durability justification where he got bit by Nusjuro, first of all this justification should be for his Exoskeleton as we see in the page prior that he had it activated. Second of all it should give the full context of the feat, Sanji seemingly broke his bones from that bite as indicated by the Sound effect for cracking (and we know this definitely harmed him as he's screaming in pain) and lastly the justification mentions that he got back up, but after looking through the manga it does seem like he was temporarily knocked down after being bitten.
Jinbe:
This justification isn't valid for Robin or Zoro, in Robin's case she was injured and unable to move on her own and it just doesn't apply to Zoro in any meaningful way. The justification needs to be revised to only include Nami, Usopp and Chopper.
Kuma:
We know Kuma did train with Sabo when he was a child but this isn't enough to warrant him scaling to adult Sabo as not enough is known.
Gorosei:
Not sure if it's intentional or not by Saturn scales to "up to 59.44 Zettatons" and the rest of the Gorosei scale to the 3.014 Zettatons despite their justifications claiming they're relative.
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They're still under the Admirals in the World Government hierarchy as part of the SSG. Just like the Pacifista.
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Obviously, yeah, but that is because they're living weapons. A Seraphim can be ordered by anyone who has the Pacifista control chip but that doesn't necessarily make the Seraphim weaker than the person commanding them.
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Sanji was not using his Exoskeleton in this sequence.
Doesn't change his rating as it scales to the same value. Sanji stopped S-Shark mid-charge when when he was using his devil fruit, so its relevant enough to note.
Lucci was successfully stalling Zoro with two Armament swords. A bunch of other characters scale to that version of Zoro, so them scaling to Awakened Lucci would be wildly inconsistent. Zoro when unleashing more Haki already scales above Lucci (also with strongest attacks).
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I'm not referring to the command chip hierarchy. I'm talking about positions in the World Government and Navy. Admirals would scale over SSG members like Sentomaru and the Seraphim.
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I don't think that has any direct bearing on the powerscaling to be honest. There is no rule or law that says that the Marine's scientists can't produce a weapon that has more destructive capacity than someone who has the rank of Admiral.
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It's not that there can't be a strong Pacifista, it's just that it there was one stronger than an Admiral, it wouldn't make sense considering what it means to be an Admiral in the first place
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It's not good evidence for powerscaling though.
Like, in the abstract, outside of the wiki, I wouldn't personally put the Seraphim higher than most Admirals on a power tier list... but for our profiles, we need solid evidence for powerscaling and the scan and argument used currently in the sandbox doesn't suffice for that.
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Then it would at least scale them above Sentomaru.
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I believe we can scale the Admirals above Sentomaru, yeah. Not everyone who has a higher rank in the Navy would scale above him, but the Admirals at least would.
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You're right, I got mistaken because of the "Enraged" section added to Sanji's scaling.
I'm not arguing a change in rating, just my thoughts on the justification. Personally from what I can see at that point S-Shark was no longer meaningfully being effected by his devil fruit ability.
It goes both ways, Lucci's intent wasn't to stall Zoro but instead to kill him and the rest of the crew to then assist Kizaru in taking down Luffy, when he wasn't able to achieve that he admitted that just taking down Zoro would be enough and when he couldn't achieve that he became content with stalling Zoro. Ultimately Awakened Lucci was unable to bring down Armament Zoro, and unlike with Conqueror's haki we know Zoro was more than aware on how to control and access his Armament Haki output and willingly stopped unleashing it to the max to compete with Lucci as we can assume he was confident in beating Lucci without it.
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I was called
Sandbox looks fine ig
Edit: Wait
Edit: Emin's instructions look valid-er
Sandbox looks fine ig
Edit: Wait
Edit: Emin's instructions look valid-er
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I've gone over it and I don't have any serious issues with it
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It's good now
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Why is Big Mom at her strongest so much weaker than kaido with hao?
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Should we assume any characters that scale will naturally be updated even if they're not included in the sandbox?
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Yes. Like Roger and Whitebeard.
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You've still got the Mother Flame part on Vegapunk.
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It's not on the profile
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I meant the sandbox, but okay.
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I didn’t read the 5 pages, but I’d like to know how Luffy scales to 5-B (59.44 zettatons) by being twice as strong as a character who scales to Low 5-B (24.11034 zettatons). Shouldn’t he scale to Low 5-B+ (48.22068 zettatons) instead?
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They upscale. For example, characters from Star Wars upscale from 47.37 Zettatons to 59.44 Zettatons. It's something similar here as the scaling comes from >2x, not just 2x.
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Why is Vegapunk listed as likely Supergenius? Nothing that he and his satellites have done comes close to that tier in Intelligence
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Agreed. He should only be a quite high-level extraordinary genius.
