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One Piece Book Scaling.

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Charlotte Mont D’or possess the Buku Buku no Mi. The Buku Buku no Mi is stated to be capable to create ‘isekai’ worlds. (Here is the translation.) The span of the universes are infinite. As seen in this panel, the books made by Mont D’or are uncountable in this position the panel offers. As stated in Enies Lobby, the recipient of a Devil Fruit understands the identity and capabilities of the fruit. Now, this does not scale to his power through physical strength. Now, I’ll bring up Blackbeard’s Yami Yami no Mi. According to Blackbeard, a credible source in the strength of DFs, he states that his Yami Yami no Mi is the strongest fruit in existence. Ace is comparable to Blackbeard in a battle of DF abilities, able to output evenly. Ace fights Yamato, Yamato is able to clash evenly with Ace. Luffy is able to contend with Yamato after years after the event with Ace without using his Gear 4th form(s). Luffy then transcends Ace and Yamato by harming Kaido in base. You then see Luffy contend with a much stronger Kaido in Gear Second w/ Haki.
 
You didn't need to make this thread twice.

Anyway, are you proposing that half of the One Piece cast be made High 3-A?
 
Purgy said:
You didn't need to make this thread twice.

Anyway, are you proposing that half of the One Piece cast be made High 3-A?
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I said that it was a mistake to post the first one, it was my phone lagging.

But anyone that scales above Ace & Pre Paramount War Blackbeard would have to.
 
I do have one rebuttal. In One Piece, Haki is generally treated as superior to Devil Fruits. For example, Haki can harm Logia users even with their intangibility, high level Haki users can contend with individuals with powerful Devil Fruits (e.g. Roger being able to contend with Whitebeard), and so on. This would mean that every Haki user of a certain level of proficiency should scale above that and thus be High 3-A or whatever is being proposed here.
 
ZoroNotZolo said:
I do have one rebuttal. In One Piece, Haki is generally treated as superior to Devil Fruits. For example, Haki can harm Logia users even with their intangibility, high level Haki users can contend with individuals with powerful Devil Fruits (e.g. Roger being able to contend with Whitebeard), and so on. This would mean that every Haki user of a certain level of proficiency should scale above that and thus be High 3-A or whatever is being proposed here.
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Going by this scale, a character relative to and or > Ace, they’d be 3-A yes.
 
I'd also recommend getting the original Japanese if possible so this can be evaluated and make sure that "isekai" isn't a mistranslation or something of that nature.
 
No character performs a feat anywhere near High 3-A, hell, characters struggle to perform Tier 6 Feats

But one off statement about a power that doesn’t directly translate to physical power at all makes everyone High 3-A? Yeah no...
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
No character performs a feat anywhere near High 3-A, hell, characters struggle to perform Tier 6 Feats

But one off statement about a power that doesn’t directly translate to physical power at all makes everyone High 3-A? Yeah no...
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It translates to physical power through Blackbeard. I already explained that. The Yami Yami no mi scales above the Buku Buku which creates universes that are infinite in size. This is an ap feat because of Ace’s clash.
 
virgo said:
It translates to physical power through Blackbeard. I already explained that. The Yami Yami no mi scales above the Buku Buku which creates universes that are infinite in size. This is an ap feat because of Ace’s clash.
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Ok, show me a destruction feat near High 3-A that someone has performed in the series?
 
Even if we did accept this its an outlier of the highest degree, theres no other feat in the entire series even Tier 5 so it doesnt scale anyway.

Anyway for the actual thing in the thread why would we assume that his Books scale to full sized physical universes and why would we assume that a creation feat would scale to anyones AP? BBs DF is claimed to be the strongest due to his ability to negate other fruits powers, it doesnt have much offensive abilities in general. Even ignoring that its a creation feat, not an AP feat so even tho the Yama Yama no Mi is the strongest why would it scale above a creation feat with nothing to do with AP?
 
virgo said:
The Whole Cake Island arc is the beginning of the universal statements. Using scaling we can apply that to earlier characters. Its just AP.
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No, give us actually other Universal feats and statements besides that one. Without anymore more concrete ones thats an Outlier at best.
 
PsychoWarper said:
Even if we did accept this its an outlier of the highest degree, theres no other feat in the entire series even Tier 5 so it doesnt scale anyway.

Anyway for the actual thing in the thread why would we assume that his Books scale to full sized physical universes and why would we assume that a creation feat would scale to anyones AP? BBs DF is claimed to be the strongest due to his ability to negate other fruits powers, it doesnt have much offensive abilities in general. Even ignoring that its a creation feat, not an AP feat so even tho the Yama Yama no Mi is the strongest why would it scale above a creation feat with nothing to do with AP?
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Well if you go by this basic scale, then yes those AP feats would also be high 3A. Also it is the strongest period in terms of AP. Also here: burning through this infinite universe.
 
PsychoWarper said:
Even if we did accept this its an outlier of the highest degree, theres no other feat in the entire series even Tier 5 so it doesnt scale anyway.

Anyway for the actual thing in the thread why would we assume that his Books scale to full sized physical universes and why would we assume that a creation feat would scale to anyones AP? BBs DF is claimed to be the strongest due to his ability to negate other fruits powers, it doesnt have much offensive abilities in general. Even ignoring that its a creation feat, not an AP feat so even tho the Yama Yama no Mi is the strongest why would it scale above a creation feat with nothing to do with AP?
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Here. Jinbe burns the infinite universe.
 
virgo said:
By the way, these are real universes as we see Luffy fall out of them.
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That part is an illusion, check Mont D'ors profile and read his brief skirmish with Luffy carefully, he isn't trapping Luffy in a book dimension there he's using some weird book illusions.

By opening a book close to an enemy, Mont-d'Or creates an illusion that refers to a book's content. He uses this to distract the enemy, as the illusion merges with the physical world to disorient it, as seen when he trapped Luffy inside it and the latter was able to see Nami about to get caught by Amande, something that was happening outside of the illusion but that Luffy saw in the World of Books instead.
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Purgy said:
That part is an illusion, check Mont D'ors profile and read his brief skirmish with Luffy carefully, he isn't trapping Luffy in a book dimension there he's using some weird book illusions.
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Can you show that?
 
virgo said:

This just shows Nami is present in the universe as well.
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So why is she able to see the two giant dudes attacking Luffy (Who according to you are in a different dimension to both Luffy and Nami) whereas Luffy isn't? Clearly she isn't being targeted by the illusions and can see Luffy is about to be attacked.

The wiki literally comes to the same conclusion since it's on his profile.
 

Read everything in this thread.

Ace and Blackbeard were not "matched", Blackbeard was absorbing Ace's ability and produced the same amount of darkness as he did fire.

This is an Ace who trained for years after he fought Yamato, so she does not scale.

Luffy never matched Yamato. Luffy was angry and Yamato kept blocking.

Luffy never landed a lasting scar on Kaido. Ace burned Whitebeard. Saying Luffy "transcended" Ace for a feat like that is a prime example of headcanon.

This can be closed now?
 
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