On Aeonic Scaling (Honkai)

[KirbyFan03]

I suggested this before but the main issue (that ive been told) is that their avatars dont have much differences from their true selves (which is why we treat IX’s shadows as IX THEMSELVES)

After thinking about it and reading other stuff doesn't it say Aeons use avatars to DESCEND to the physical world which is 4D?

While they're basically the same couldn't there be a difference in Stats?

 

[Weaver261]

Terminus’ past is our future which means nous is essentially changing terminus’ past when pruning the branches

Nah....Nous is a fraud in that way cuz Terminus existence already confirmed the ending of the universe. What Nous doing is just basically sending standing waves to confirm the finality going back against the river of time lol....Herta overglazing droidhead xD

 

[SuperNova55555]

Then how do we have like infinite different space times wher each one similar to another?

1) I don’t believe MWI is false. I believe HSR just contradicts it for some odd reason.
2) Depends what you mean by this. If you’re talking about Expy stuff; they’re not diff timelines unless u think Acheron, Ei and Mei are the same person. Other than that, refer to point 1.

Not to mention would this completely **** over fuli and terminus? Terminus’ past is our future which means nous is essentially changing terminus’ past when pruning the branches and is just memories n shit. Terminus m, the aeon/concept of time, having less authority over the future than nous is an odd thought

The funniest implication is that Fuli can only exist… if Terminus literally failed to protect the Universe lmfao.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Why are yall ghosting my man kirby

 

[Weaver261]

2) Depends what you mean by this. If you’re talking about Expy stuff; they’re not diff timelines unless u think Acheron, Ei and Mei are the same person. Other than that, refer to point 1.

I mean you can't chalk this up to expy shit

1) I don’t believe MWI is false. I believe HSR just contradicts it.

HSR doesn't contradict it. You just fail to understand MWI concept where wave function never collapse but can evolve in deterministic way where only one future exists. It's not even a hard concept to grasp.

 

[Mbpoops]

Why are yall ghosting my man kirby

You can respond to him aswell are you not also a honkai supporter?

 

[SuperNova55555]

After thinking about it and reading other stuff doesn't it say Aeons use avatars to DESCEND to the physical world which is 4D?

There’s no mention of avatars in any of the scans.

Aeons’ bodies are literally their divine corpus the same way the cats are literally Terminus.

They js have an additional aspect to them that’s philosophical. But anyways a lot of this discourse js seems to heavily misunderstand what I say when they cap at Tier 2.

HSR doesn't contradict it. You just fail to understand MWI concept where wave function never collapse but can evolve in deterministic way where only one future exists. It's not even a hard concept to grasp.

The MWI determinism cannot support the worlds collapsing like how Nous and Yao Guang say they do. You’re js misapprehending the issue and then projecting that unto me.

 

[Mbpoops]

After thinking about it and reading other stuff doesn't it say Aeons use avatars to DESCEND to the physical world which is 4D?

While they're basically the same couldn't there be a difference in Stats?

I said this aswell but it gets weird tbh. Aeons are probably the worst thing hoyo has written because they cant be consistant with them at all. You mean to tell me phainon physically harmed the philisophical, conceptual, nanook and not the physical avatar but then we see qlipoth as an ipc stripper

 

[SuperNova55555]

I said this aswell but it gets weird tbh. Aeons are probably the worst thing hoyo has written because they cant be consistant with them at all. You mean to tell me phainon physically harmed the philisophical, conceptual, nanook and not the physical avatar but then we see qlipoth as an ipc stripper

They exist in Path Space the same way Phainon exists there; i.e they just teleport to it.

 

[Voidnether]

Correct me if I'm wrong as I'm still new to HSR but don't Aeons make avatars to descend to the physical world? Why can't we make an avatar key with the Low 2-C key?

Their avatar key here is 2-A, their True Form is still High 1-C I'm sure because the Aeons fr boxed Tayzzyronth in Path Space

 

[KirbyFan03]

There’s no mention of avatars in any of the scans.

Aeons’ bodies are literally their divine corpus the same way the cats are literally Terminus.

They js have an additional aspect to them that’s philosophical. But anyways a lot of this discourse js seems to heavily misunderstand what I say when they cap at Tier 2.


The MWI determinism cannot support the worlds collapsing like how Nous and Yao Guang say they do. You’re js misapprehending the issue and then projecting that unto me.

So type 9 Immortality and avatar creation should be nuked as well?

 

[Mbpoops]

The concept of H1C pathspace.

Otto: “the tree and the sea are eternal rivals. Oh yea pathspace too its just there tho”

 

[SuperNova55555]

Their avatar key here is 2-A, their True Form is still High 1-C I'm sure because the Aeons fr boxed Tayzzyronth in Path Space

To be High 1-C they would have to be Path Space itself, NOT just exist there. Can ya’ll genuinely stop misunderstanding this. Why is this out of all points being strawmanned like this??

 

[Voidnether]

There’s no mention of avatars in any of the scans.

Aeons’ bodies are literally their divine corpus the same way the cats are literally Terminus.

They js have an additional aspect to them that’s philosophical. But anyways a lot of this discourse js seems to heavily misunderstand what I say when they cap at Tier 2.


The MWI determinism cannot support the worlds collapsing like how Nous and Yao Guang say they do. You’re js misapprehending the issue and then projecting that unto me.

Their avatars here are their manifestations, that are deemed projections from the higher plane, those cats are legit stated to be the manifestations of Terminus only the same way IX has thousands of Shadow of IX on the physical plane

Why would the True Form of the Aeons even cap at Tier 2 if you know, it took Phainon a lot of that effort to scratch mfs who's only the same tier as Incomplete Irontomb which don't make sense LOL just for them to regenerate

 

[SuperNova55555]

So type 9 Immortality and avatar creation should be nuked as well?

No they still have a conceptual essence to them. That might still apply.

 

[Mbpoops]

Why would the True Form of the Aeons even cap at Tier 2 if you know, it took Phainon a lot of that effort to scratch mfs who's only the same tier as Incomplete Irontomb which don't make sense LOL just for them to regenerate

Ok what the hell are you talking about

 

[SuperNova55555]

Their avatars here are their manifestations, that are deemed projections from the higher plane, those cats are legit stated to be the manifestations of Terminus only the same way IX has thousands of Shadow of IX on the physical plane

False equivalence, and no, Shadow’s of IX aren’t IX’s Divine Corpus nor can you prove that any of the Aeons are projections from Path Space.

Why would the True Form of the Aeons even cap at Tier 2 if you know, it took Phainon a lot of that effort to scratch mfs who's only the same tier as Incomplete Irontomb which don't make sense LOL just for them to regenerate

Because existing in a realm doesn’t grant a tier unless it’s 1-A or higher. Omgggggg. Do you think Belobog TB is High 1-C too??

Like goddamn.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

To be High 1-C they would have to be Path Space itself

by the way i dont remember u responding to hooh stuff i sent after i gave explanation why is he merged with entire tree do you think its scaleable or not?

 

[KirbyFan03]

No they still have a conceptual essence to them. That might still apply.

Mk.

 

[SuperNova55555]

by the way i dont remember u responding to hooh stuff i sent after i gave explanation why is he merged with entire tree do you think its scaleable or not?

Way too vague for my liking. The potential is there though. Particularly if the “web of logic” is Imaginary Space itself.

Though the way it’s worded makes it seem like HooH AP would still only be Tier 2, since they seem to be governing the movement of things within space and time specifically which only in this context applies to Real Space.

 

[KirbyFan03]

Their avatar key here is 2-A, their True Form is still High 1-C I'm sure because the Aeons fr boxed Tayzzyronth in Path Space

I'm still new to Honkai and decent in genshin until it's nuked on my PS4

But fighting in a higher dimension doesn't necessarily equate to stats I think... unless their fight was threatening Path Space I don't think they'd scale

 

[SuperNova55555]

I'm still new to Honkai and decent in genshin until it's nuked on my PS4

But fighting in a higher dimension doesn't necessarily equate to stats I think... unless their fight was threatening Path Space I don't think they'd scale

Thank youuuuuu.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Way too vague for my liking. The potential is there though. Particularly if the “web of logic” is Imaginary Space itself.

Though the way it’s worded makes it seem like HooH AP would still only be Tier 2, since they seem to be governing the movement of things within space and time specifically which only in this context applies to Real Space.

Ikr because the universe term is more used for real space of tree rather than entire tree, but im saying IS makes more sense becuase HooH would have to merge with entire tree to be able to maintain balance across its entire operative logic, not the one thats maintained by erudition constants but the operative logic of tree itself, but i get the point because we only have this much information about hooh, tho if ur fine with “possibly high 1-C” i am okay with it too

 

[SuperNova55555]

Ikr because the universe term is more used for real space of tree rather than entire tree, but im saying IS makes more sense becuase HooH would have to merge with entire tree to be able to maintain balance across its entire operative logic, not the one thats maintained by erudition constants but the operative logic of tree itself, but i get the point because we only have this much information about hooh, tho if ur fine with “possibly high 1-C” i am okay with it too

Thing is that if HooH merged with Imaginary Space, he’d only be only High 1-C in durability and not AP. Since he’d only be controlling Real Space unless the “web of logic” literally governs itself, which is obviously not the case.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I'm still new to Honkai and decent in genshin until it's nuked on my PS4

But fighting in a higher dimension doesn't necessarily equate to stats I think... unless their fight was threatening Path Space I don't think they'd scale

The higher D being scalable used is as far as i know coming from Ryusuke having his R>F over Welt which even ultima accepted to he low 2-C before which if aeons have 11D HDE they would be high 1-C which if its still acceptable it would work but i infact only see it for HooH and IX since their influence actually spreads across entire realm

 

[SuperNova55555]

The higher D being scalable used is as far as i know coming from Ryusuke having his R>F over Welt which even ultima accepted to he low 2-C before which if aeons have 11D HDE they would be high 1-C which if its still acceptable it would work but i infact only see it for HooH and IX since their influence actually spreads across entire realm

No you don’t get High 1-C for existing in a 11D space. That’s not the case at all. EVEN if the dimensions qualify for tiering. Since you’d have to affect the entire dimension and not just exist there.

That’s the entire issue here. Just a complete misapprehension of the standards.

 

[Weaver261]

The MWI determinism cannot support the worlds collapsing like how Nous and Yao Guang say they do. You’re js misapprehending the issue and then projecting that unto me.

Then, it's just multiple stuffs happening in the same cosmology then. That's the only way it can works considering both MWI and wave function collapse as factual.
Simply put, all infinite space times in the universe are the result of MWI generating a world based on quantum events. The whole universe itself follows Copenhagen interpretation. This can work without contradicting each other. It's not like fictional cosmologies are only allowed to use one multiverse interpretation.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

No you don’t get High 1-C for existing in a 11D space. That’s not the case at all. EVEN if the dimensions qualify for tiering. Since you’d have to affect the entire dimension and not just exist there.

That’s the entire issue here. Just a complete misapprehension of the standards.

existing in 11D space and actually being 11D is complete different thing, Aeons are explicitly higher dimensional BEINGS they dont just exist in higher dimension becuase then i doubt theyd even have HDE at all

 

[SuperNova55555]

existing in 11D space and actually being 11D is complete different thing, Aeons are explicitly higher dimensional BEINGS they dont just exist in higher dimension becuase then i doubt theyd even have HDE at all

Nono. I’m saying BOTH of those don’t qualify for scaling.

I even brought up LOTM where beings with explicit 11 dimensions don’t get High 1-C because they can’t affect the entirety of the 11th dimension.

Same thing here, you’d have to prove Aeons can affect all of Path Space but they lack the feats.

Then, it's just multiple stuffs happening in the same cosmology then. That's the only way it can works considering both MWI and wave function collapse as factual.
Simply put, all infinite space times in the universe are the result of MWI generating a world based on quantum events. The whole universe itself follows Copenhagen interpretation. This can work without contradicting each other. It's not like fictional cosmologies are only allowed to use one multiverse interpretation.

They can’t both exist and not exist at the same time. If you follow both, then the worlds are generated and destroyed simultaneously.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Thing is that if HooH merged with Imaginary Space, he’d only be only High 1-C in durability and not AP. Since he’d only be controlling Real Space unless the “web of logic” literally governs itself, which is obviously not the case.

Silly hooh just use UES to be 11D ap..

 

[Weaver261]

No you don’t get High 1-C for existing in a 11D space. That’s not the case at all. EVEN if the dimensions qualify for tiering. Since you’d have to affect the entire dimension and not just exist there.

Characters or objects who can significantly affect, create and/or destroy higher-dimensional structures that are six to seven uncountably infinite levels above Low 2-C structures. In ordinary distribution, this corresponds to R^10 to R^11 (10 to 11-dimensional real coordinate space).

As I have said before, Aeons affect the tree in their own ways. Since the tree is H1-C, Aeons should be H1-C as well

 

[SuperNova55555]

As I have said before, Aeons affect the tree in their own ways. Since the tree is H1-C, Aeons should be H1-C as well

HSR TREE IS NOT THE SAME AS HI3 TREE. I LITERALLY QUOTED TH DIFFERENCE IN THE OP.

 

[Weaver261]

They can’t both exist and not exist at the same time. If you follow both, then the worlds are generated and destroyed simultaneously.

Different layer of working is possible. MWI is for branch worlds while Copenhagen is for the tree. Simple

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Nono. I’m saying BOTH of those don’t qualify for scaling.

I even brought up LOTM where beings with explicit 11 dimensions don’t get High 1-C because they can’t affect the entirety of the 11th dimension.

Same thing here, you’d have to prove Aeons can affect all of Path Space but they lack the feats.

thats like why i mentioned that i only see hooh and IX to qualify if the standard worked bcs someone like Lan can never do it because they dont even cover entire universe when their only job is to slime out yaoshi goons

 

[SuperNova55555]

Different layer of working is possible. MWI is for branch worlds while Copenhagen is for the tree. Simple

1) The locally vs universal here doesn’t work, because any universal wave collapse would be local as well.
2) We know it happens locally. We see it in Planarcadia.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Silly hooh just use UES to be 11D ap..

Nah. We are told the workings of the Web so it’s more like a contradiction like Scepters. Also, the Web likely wouldn’t be included in UES since it seems fundamentally different than js normal energy.

 

[Weaver261]

HSR TREE IS NOT THE SAME AS HI3 TREE. I LITERALLY QUOTED TH DIFFERENCE IN THE OP.

Same tree. Otherwise how would Welt comes to HSR? Void archive literally explained about Himeko using MWI. This shouldn't be possible unless it's the same tree lol

1) The locally vs universal here doesn’t work, because any universal wave collapse would be local as well.
2) We know it happens locally. We see it in Planarcadia.

No it's not. Cuz quantum event happening on Planarcadia will also affect universal wave function collapse. By Becoming Nous for Planarcadia doesn't mean she is only deciding the future of just planarcadia but she is meaning to say that she is performing the same thing as nous does in planarcadia. It's just an analogy.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Same tree. Otherwise how would Welt comes to HSR? Void archive literally explained about Himeko using MWI. This shouldn't be possible unless it's the same tree lol

Transcendentally negative tracking.

I am saying that the Tree in Hi3 refers to Imaginary Space but in HSR it refers to Real Space. Aeons only scale to the latter.

No it's not. Cuz quantum event happening on Planarcadia will also affect universal wave function collapse.

No because Honkai separates local possibilities its the whole reason leaves are separate Space-Times rather than js parts of space

Nous js does it for ALL Space-Times rather than js one

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Nah. We are told the workings of the Web so it’s more like a contradiction like Scepters. Also, the Web likely wouldn’t be included in UES since it seems fundamentally different than js normal energy.

I mean entire universe operates trough imaginary energy so i think it would be applicable, especially when they are fused with very thing from all imaginary energy originates from

 

[SuperNova55555]

I mean entire universe operates trough imaginary energy so i think it would be applicable, especially when they are fused with very thing from all imaginary energy originates from

HooH is the source of Imaginary Energy but also derived by it ignore how narratively inconsistent this is, and also realize that the Space itself doesn’t have the same functions as mere energy.