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I found an english subbed version at ********* if you want to check it out. The results are the same.
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Omega Shenron Vs Agumon (Taichi Yagami)
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Well, it was the upgraded technique from Eis, he should scale to that easily.The Everlasting said:
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"You seem to lack complete knowledge of Dragon Ball overall"
Really?........I'm even going to get into tht when you seem to lack knowledge on Digimon overall. Just saying.
"Absolute Zero"
......None of that has been proven to be absolute zero. Show me a direct statement please.
"Energy in the atmosphere"
Thank you for giving WarGreymon even more ammo. You just powered up his signature attack.
Really?........I'm even going to get into tht when you seem to lack knowledge on Digimon overall. Just saying.
"Absolute Zero"
......None of that has been proven to be absolute zero. Show me a direct statement please.
"Energy in the atmosphere"
Thank you for giving WarGreymon even more ammo. You just powered up his signature attack.
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Yeah...no WarGreymon wins this due the dramon killers, advantage in AP and dura, brave shield can deal with any of Omega's attacks and he has fought against superior ice techniques from MetalGarurumon.
If needed he inact his Ovverwrite to get rid of problems.
WarGreymon wins this 9 times out of 10. I could see Omega winning through possible use of blinding WGM
If needed he inact his Ovverwrite to get rid of problems.
WarGreymon wins this 9 times out of 10. I could see Omega winning through possible use of blinding WGM
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I'm tired of this already, so I'll just show the main points that'll allow OS defeat WGM easily:
- WGM fought against many haxed character, like Piedmon and Myotismon. But- he also was defeated by both of these very easily. Against Piedmon he was transformed into a kaychain and remained useless for the rest of the battle (that was settled by HolyAngemon's BFR). MaloMyotismon was a stupider version of Myotismon that WarGreymon couldn't outright beat even while being assisted by MetalGarurumon, in fact, MaloMyotismon was defeated by PIS. The only Darkmasters he defeated were through the use of the much needed Dramon Killers.
- WarGreymon will not be able to use his Tera Force as the atmosphere of the planet will be plagued by OS' Minus Energy. WGM was never shown to be able to use it for his attacks. Possibly, and I mean POSSIBLY BWGM can use it for his attacks, but even this is stretching it a little bit too much.
- WGM cannot fight without Tai's presence. He has to be there in a way or another, be it from a computer or alongside him. If OS decides to blow up the planet, it'll kill Tai and thus WGM would die too? I'm not sure if the partner Digimon dies if the Digi-Destined does, but he'll lose all of his power due to Tai not being there anymore (he has never, in character, fought without Tai, didn't he?). WGM would definetely protect Tai from OS' attacks, but that would give him one heck of a disadvantage as OS has all of those elemental manipulation attacks I pointed out previously.
- OS still has the Dragon Booster, a techinique that resembles more Ginyu's body change than it does Naturon Shenron's absorption, but still, if WGM lets his guard down (something he is prone to somewhat), OS can kill him from the inside, even if he used his Brave Shield to block, Nuova Shenron was using a Energy Shield to block and it still got him, so I'm assuming that if it touches you, you're pretty much done. I could be wrong.
- There's no direct statement that Eis Shenron is Absolute Zero, but there is statement that his ice can freeze Nuova's first form fire that could burn at 6000┬░ C (Nuova was sun-level heat in his "Golden Form") and that his Ice Ray techinique was close to absolute zero. While SIR could very well be AZ level due to it being stronger than the normal IR, I concede that at best Eis and consequentially OS' Ice is near absolute Zero at best. It might still work as even MaloMyostimon got frozen by it, but was still able to get out of it. If WGM was hit by SIR he'd probably only be incapacitated for a few seconds, which is more than enough honestly.
- OS has shown to be a better close-quarters combatant than WGM, and has a much more versatile moveset than the latter, who was reduced to a single attack now that the atmosphere is plagued with Minus Energy, energy that WGM has shown no capability to use for his attacks.
Override might be a problem, though.
And I do have a problem with MegaKabuterimon's feat, that I'll adress in a future thread in the near future now that I have all the time in the world.
- WGM fought against many haxed character, like Piedmon and Myotismon. But- he also was defeated by both of these very easily. Against Piedmon he was transformed into a kaychain and remained useless for the rest of the battle (that was settled by HolyAngemon's BFR). MaloMyotismon was a stupider version of Myotismon that WarGreymon couldn't outright beat even while being assisted by MetalGarurumon, in fact, MaloMyotismon was defeated by PIS. The only Darkmasters he defeated were through the use of the much needed Dramon Killers.
- WarGreymon will not be able to use his Tera Force as the atmosphere of the planet will be plagued by OS' Minus Energy. WGM was never shown to be able to use it for his attacks. Possibly, and I mean POSSIBLY BWGM can use it for his attacks, but even this is stretching it a little bit too much.
- WGM cannot fight without Tai's presence. He has to be there in a way or another, be it from a computer or alongside him. If OS decides to blow up the planet, it'll kill Tai and thus WGM would die too? I'm not sure if the partner Digimon dies if the Digi-Destined does, but he'll lose all of his power due to Tai not being there anymore (he has never, in character, fought without Tai, didn't he?). WGM would definetely protect Tai from OS' attacks, but that would give him one heck of a disadvantage as OS has all of those elemental manipulation attacks I pointed out previously.
- OS still has the Dragon Booster, a techinique that resembles more Ginyu's body change than it does Naturon Shenron's absorption, but still, if WGM lets his guard down (something he is prone to somewhat), OS can kill him from the inside, even if he used his Brave Shield to block, Nuova Shenron was using a Energy Shield to block and it still got him, so I'm assuming that if it touches you, you're pretty much done. I could be wrong.
- There's no direct statement that Eis Shenron is Absolute Zero, but there is statement that his ice can freeze Nuova's first form fire that could burn at 6000┬░ C (Nuova was sun-level heat in his "Golden Form") and that his Ice Ray techinique was close to absolute zero. While SIR could very well be AZ level due to it being stronger than the normal IR, I concede that at best Eis and consequentially OS' Ice is near absolute Zero at best. It might still work as even MaloMyostimon got frozen by it, but was still able to get out of it. If WGM was hit by SIR he'd probably only be incapacitated for a few seconds, which is more than enough honestly.
- OS has shown to be a better close-quarters combatant than WGM, and has a much more versatile moveset than the latter, who was reduced to a single attack now that the atmosphere is plagued with Minus Energy, energy that WGM has shown no capability to use for his attacks.
Override might be a problem, though.
And I do have a problem with MegaKabuterimon's feat, that I'll adress in a future thread in the near future now that I have all the time in the world.
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For the record, WarGreymon never fought Myotismon. Myotismon fought the Ultimate-level Digimon before getting one-shotted by Angewomon. He didn't fight MaloMyotismon either, so I don't know why you're bringing that up (unless you're talking about VenomMyotismon).
The definition of Terra Force is using the energy contained in the atmosphere and throwing it as a projectile. The idea that he wouldn't be able to use negative energy is a headcanon you've created and has no basis in the actual usage or description.
If Omega Shenron tries to blow up the Earth, then WarGreymon runs in with his Brave Shield and rebounds Shenron's attack back towards him.
Explain when and where WarGreymon just "let's down his guard". He's been hit before, but I highly doubt there would be anything left of the Dragon Balls once WarGreymon cuts Shenron to ribbons.
If there's no statement that it's Absolute Zero, it's not Absolute Zero. Your description is a non-sequitur.
I highly doubt that Omega Shenron is that much better, given that WarGreymon is a born warrior who's gone toe-to-toe with some very experienced Digimon.
The definition of Terra Force is using the energy contained in the atmosphere and throwing it as a projectile. The idea that he wouldn't be able to use negative energy is a headcanon you've created and has no basis in the actual usage or description.
If Omega Shenron tries to blow up the Earth, then WarGreymon runs in with his Brave Shield and rebounds Shenron's attack back towards him.
Explain when and where WarGreymon just "let's down his guard". He's been hit before, but I highly doubt there would be anything left of the Dragon Balls once WarGreymon cuts Shenron to ribbons.
If there's no statement that it's Absolute Zero, it's not Absolute Zero. Your description is a non-sequitur.
I highly doubt that Omega Shenron is that much better, given that WarGreymon is a born warrior who's gone toe-to-toe with some very experienced Digimon.
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Oh, my bad. It's VenomMyotismon. My point still stands, though.
The idea that he wouldn't be able to use negative nergy comes from the fact he never used negative energy in no incarnation except BWGM. WGM isn't BWGM unless he somehows dark digivolves. May I remind you the description for the Destroyer? (aka Dark Gaia Force)
Except OS can spam planet busting attacks. if he wants to. All he needs to do is stop controlling his Ki, which would be easier than doing so, ironically.
Against Puppetmon, Piedmon (the keychain event), MetalSeadramon in one occasion, Diaboromon. In Piedmon's case, he was stalking him in the darkness, something Omega could do even back when he was Syn (could sneak up on SSJ4 Goku and Nuova Shenron without them noticing it, even though they could sense Ki. This could only be done through his concealment abilities).
If Goku couldn't damage the dragon balls with his Dragon Fist even though he blew OS from the inside, I'd say WGM would also be unable to do the same. We still don't know exactly how Gogeta did that, as in the anime, he used his Big Bang Kamehameha, Omega screamed, there was a flash of blue light, the dragon balls flew away and he reverted to Syn.
I said I conceded, didn't I?
Other WGM in general? I would say yes, but Tai's? Eh, he tries his best, sure, however, he relies a lot on teamwork to win the majority of his battles to be honest.
And there's again, the problem with Tai, as Omega would try to kill him more than once. For example, he could pretend to fire a 10x Kamehameha at WGM, then curve it around him and vaporize Tai.
The idea that he wouldn't be able to use negative nergy comes from the fact he never used negative energy in no incarnation except BWGM. WGM isn't BWGM unless he somehows dark digivolves. May I remind you the description for the Destroyer? (aka Dark Gaia Force)
Except OS can spam planet busting attacks. if he wants to. All he needs to do is stop controlling his Ki, which would be easier than doing so, ironically.
Against Puppetmon, Piedmon (the keychain event), MetalSeadramon in one occasion, Diaboromon. In Piedmon's case, he was stalking him in the darkness, something Omega could do even back when he was Syn (could sneak up on SSJ4 Goku and Nuova Shenron without them noticing it, even though they could sense Ki. This could only be done through his concealment abilities).
If Goku couldn't damage the dragon balls with his Dragon Fist even though he blew OS from the inside, I'd say WGM would also be unable to do the same. We still don't know exactly how Gogeta did that, as in the anime, he used his Big Bang Kamehameha, Omega screamed, there was a flash of blue light, the dragon balls flew away and he reverted to Syn.
I said I conceded, didn't I?
Other WGM in general? I would say yes, but Tai's? Eh, he tries his best, sure, however, he relies a lot on teamwork to win the majority of his battles to be honest.
And there's again, the problem with Tai, as Omega would try to kill him more than once. For example, he could pretend to fire a 10x Kamehameha at WGM, then curve it around him and vaporize Tai.
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Point about what? The fact that the DigiDestined's crests were Myotismon's (and well, every evil Digimon's) weakness?
It's energy in the atmosphere, therefore it can be used as per Terra Force's definition.
And WarGreymon can eviscerate him instantly with Brave Tornado or with a single slash of his Dramon Killers. You really think he's just going to stand there and let it happen?
Omega Shenron is way too arrogant to be stealthy.
Goku is not equipped with weapons equipped to utterly shred anything with the Dragon attribute.
WarGreymon went toe-to-toe with most of the Dark Masters, who fought and defeated the Digimon Sovereigns that governed over the Digital World since its inception in the Adventure continuity.
It's energy in the atmosphere, therefore it can be used as per Terra Force's definition.
And WarGreymon can eviscerate him instantly with Brave Tornado or with a single slash of his Dramon Killers. You really think he's just going to stand there and let it happen?
Omega Shenron is way too arrogant to be stealthy.
Goku is not equipped with weapons equipped to utterly shred anything with the Dragon attribute.
WarGreymon went toe-to-toe with most of the Dark Masters, who fought and defeated the Digimon Sovereigns that governed over the Digital World since its inception in the Adventure continuity.
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That he couldn't beat Myotismon even with help from another Mega Level buddy.
Dark Gaia Force's definition directly contradicts your statement as it says: "Similar to Terra Force, except that it takes all of the "negative emotions" within this world and concentrates it into one spot, then fires it."
Omega's Minus Energy is said to be humanity's wickedness (aka negative emotions) that is inbued within the whole planet. If anything, Omega could just use the Gaia Force (now a Dark Gaia Force if anything) to power up his signature attack.
Yet he attacked Nuova Shenron from the back. What are you even implying here?
Yet he utterly destroyed the dragon balls (as seem when Omega Shenron reconstituted himself the dragon balls did the same). The funny thing is the place Goku went through was the very place the dragon balls are located on his body. Here, I'll just link the video:
Goku ssj4 using Dragon Fist on Omega Shenro
But I don't remember him fighting them alone, he had help in each and every battle and even lost some. While the Dark Master were being arrogant and decided to fight unassisted, which in the end, cost their lives.
If Omega starts the battle with Blazing Storm, Tai is dead.
Dark Gaia Force's definition directly contradicts your statement as it says: "Similar to Terra Force, except that it takes all of the "negative emotions" within this world and concentrates it into one spot, then fires it."
Omega's Minus Energy is said to be humanity's wickedness (aka negative emotions) that is inbued within the whole planet. If anything, Omega could just use the Gaia Force (now a Dark Gaia Force if anything) to power up his signature attack.
Yet he attacked Nuova Shenron from the back. What are you even implying here?
Yet he utterly destroyed the dragon balls (as seem when Omega Shenron reconstituted himself the dragon balls did the same). The funny thing is the place Goku went through was the very place the dragon balls are located on his body. Here, I'll just link the video:
Goku ssj4 using Dragon Fist on Omega Shenro
But I don't remember him fighting them alone, he had help in each and every battle and even lost some. While the Dark Master were being arrogant and decided to fight unassisted, which in the end, cost their lives.
If Omega starts the battle with Blazing Storm, Tai is dead.
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Two words: Brave Shield.
It easily rebounded BlackWarGreymon's Terra Destroyer. A Blazing Storm is a step down if anything.
Still can't see Minus Energy as a threat, given that it's basically a Terra Destroyer and you continue to make the assumption that WarGreymon will just stand there and let him use it.
Dragon Fist is a punching attack, WarGreymon rakes his claws through everything and drills through Omega Shenron and the Dragon Balls.
It easily rebounded BlackWarGreymon's Terra Destroyer. A Blazing Storm is a step down if anything.
Still can't see Minus Energy as a threat, given that it's basically a Terra Destroyer and you continue to make the assumption that WarGreymon will just stand there and let him use it.
Dragon Fist is a punching attack, WarGreymon rakes his claws through everything and drills through Omega Shenron and the Dragon Balls.
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Blazing Storm is an Exploding Wave, it attacks from the underground. Let's pretend this never happened.
He dosen't need the Negative Power Ball (whatever it's called, I forgot) to defeat WGM, trust me.
Uhhh... I'm pretty sure vaporizing (which was what the Dragon Fist did to that portion of Omega's body) >>> slashing and drilling.
He dosen't need the Negative Power Ball (whatever it's called, I forgot) to defeat WGM, trust me.
Uhhh... I'm pretty sure vaporizing (which was what the Dragon Fist did to that portion of Omega's body) >>> slashing and drilling.
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Chunks of flesh from around that area flying out. You still failed to explain how the dragon balls regenerated alongside Omega.
Dragonball GT Goku vs Omega Shenron-0
Skip to 18:40
His entire body was destroyed by the explosion, but the little chunks of flesh that fell out were enough to regenerate him with the dragon balls no less.
Dragonball GT Goku vs Omega Shenron-0
Skip to 18:40
His entire body was destroyed by the explosion, but the little chunks of flesh that fell out were enough to regenerate him with the dragon balls no less.
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Goku had to blow him up from the inside to get him to that state. Has WGM any techinique that can do the same? Sure, the Tornado attack, but that wouldn't make him explode. All Omega needs to do is regenerate the hole in his torso while WGM stops spinning.
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If you have an issue with MegaKabuterimon's feat (Don't understand the problem since it is straight forward) read the blog first and for most.
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@Dragonmasterxyz
The problem I had with it was the same the author pointed out: the killing of Vademon might have had something to do with it rather than MegaKabuterimon outright destroying the whole thing. That's something we can only know through the episode transcripts. And also there's the fact Ebemon's (Vademon's evolved form) strongest attack is said to be capable of instantly destroying a single planet even with all of it's gun accumulated energy (as stated by the Digimon Reference Book). From that, we can conclude two things:
- Either someone is overestimating some of the Digimon's power;
Or
- The Adventure scalling does not apply to the rest of the Digimon series
To me, it is the second one.
But hey, this is off-topic. What about this fight in particular?
The problem I had with it was the same the author pointed out: the killing of Vademon might have had something to do with it rather than MegaKabuterimon outright destroying the whole thing. That's something we can only know through the episode transcripts. And also there's the fact Ebemon's (Vademon's evolved form) strongest attack is said to be capable of instantly destroying a single planet even with all of it's gun accumulated energy (as stated by the Digimon Reference Book). From that, we can conclude two things:
- Either someone is overestimating some of the Digimon's power;
Or
- The Adventure scalling does not apply to the rest of the Digimon series
To me, it is the second one.
But hey, this is off-topic. What about this fight in particular?
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Copy and paste this to the message I made on your wall.
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Don't you worry, I'm doing a more in-depth response to it. About the episode transcripts, I'm trying to find the original japanese one, rather than in english. Unfortunately, I'm finding it troubling to find the transcripts beyond episode 17.
Don't you worry, I'm doing a more in-depth response to it. About the episode transcripts, I'm trying to find the original japanese one, rather than in english. Unfortunately, I'm finding it troubling to find the transcripts beyond episode 17.
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Well since the whole Adventure stuff was sorted out we can continue on here.
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Wasn't expecting this fight to end, really.
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WarGreymon for reasona above
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WarGreymon for reasons above.
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How many votes is this?
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I mean, that is his weakness....PaChi2 said:
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Not a rule and still a legit thing. Just like if WarGreymon takes too much damage, he'll return to his Agumon form.
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Why?
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Well, then Im bringing the Wargreymon vs Machinedramon card. Wargreymon returned to the baby form while killing Machinedramon in one clash, however, here Omega would regenerate into Syn, effectively winning.
Also, I can also swear that Piedmon was the strongest Dark Master, stated by Taichi before fighting him.
Also, I can also swear that Piedmon was the strongest Dark Master, stated by Taichi before fighting him.
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That card doesn't mean much when said WarGreymon is MUCH stronger than he was then. This is a WarGreymon who has far surpassed the Dark Masters, who surpassed the likes of VenomMyotismon and MetalEtemon.
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Syn is only 4-A. And not only that WarGreymon's Dramon Killers and Brave Sheild really give him an edge against a dragon.
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I think there is at least 5 votes for WarGreymon, maybe 7. But there are over 100 comments on this so someone should double checks.
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