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Omega Shenron Vs Agumon (Taichi Yagami)

@Ever ah I see. But are you sure?

@Real Cal hmmm I see, but isn't he only superior to a galaxy busting guy? That's not quite enough to say he is that much above Shenron.
 
"Nah, he never needed to. "

Never needed to =/= Having it. He never showed it as Syn Shenron, only as Omega Shenron.

"That is possible, but like I said, Syn / Omega will probably blind him like he did with Goku."

How pray tell did he blind him?

"Although my question is, why does everyone say he can simply punch the dragon balls out? He is, as far as I'm aware the same tier as him so where does this come from?"

WarGreymon who is far stronger than a guy who absorbed the power of a Black Hole that was much, much larger than the Milky Way and could easily swallow it. Plus quite simply the Dramon Killers. Omega Shenron is a Dragon and thus he will take a ton of damage from them. Eventually as his weakness states he will lose his Dragon Balls.
 
He's superior to a guy who's superior to a guy who absorbed the power of a black hole that can easily swallow the Milky Way. I could be wrong about the first guy though. He may be stronger.
 
@Dragon Ah I see, so despite the only difference as far as I'm aware, is that he gained the main abilities of the other dragons and a power boost, we're going to pretend that the regen came out of nowhere?

Look at Ever's comment, I was wrong about that.

Is the black hole the size of the galaxy or can it absorb the galaxy? The difference can literally make him 3-C or 4-A. Absorbing a black hole that is not the size of a galaxy is 4-A, due to the fact that any 4-A black hole can do it through its pull. Its the same reason why Samus is 3-B instead of 3-A.
 
"Ah I see, so despite the only difference as far as I'm aware, is that he gained the main abilities of the other dragons and a power boost, we're going to pretend that the regen came out of nowhere?"

Could simply be a form of evolution. It ain't that odd.

"Is the black hole the size of the galaxy or can it absorb the galaxy? The difference can literally make him 3-C or 4-A. Absorbing a black hole that is not the size of a galaxy is 4-A, due to the fact that any 4-A black hole can do it through its pull. Its the same reason why Samus is 3-B instead of 3-A."

It's both much larger than the Milky Way and can easily absorb it.
 
@SD. Funny enough, we went over this rather recently. Apparently its the 3-C variety. It's at least galaxy sized, which is 4-A, but it can overpower the GBE of the galaxy.
 
The last guy is 3-C because of the comparable to Wargreymon, ie that is bad scaling, you have to begin with who did the feat.

EDIT: Wait a sec...
 
@Real cal I was talking to Dragon. Ah, I see. Just to clarify here, this black hole was outside the galaxy right? If it was inside the GBE would be working with it.
 
MugenRyu said:
@ Dragon
I always Machinedramon was superior to Piedmon
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Could've sworn Piedmon was the strongest Dark Master. Or was he just the haxiest and Machinedramon had the most brute strength?
 
@Dragon that is confusing, the page you linked, Myotismon, had linked a WarGreymon that did not have a 3-C key.
 
I'm not sure if you need a calcer here.

The pull of the galaxy (gravity) goes to the center, if a black hole was made there, it would actually be going with the GBE, not against it. (Essentially, the GBE would boost the black hole, not cause problems for it.)
 
Its a black hole far larger than a Galaxy, so larger that the Galaxy could fit within it with lots of room to spare, and it could easily swallow the entire thing.

Since Etemon absorbed the entirety of an object larger than an entire galaxy, that should logically be a 3-C feat. It's similar to moving or reality warping an entire galaxy, really. In fact, to absorb it he most likely ended up making it move at FTL speeds (lest it would take eons for it to reach the center).
 
Even if the Dramon Breakers are used, Omega only needs to regenerate from it. He showcased the ability to do that even after having his body assploded by Goku's Dragon Fist (an ability he got from the eletric slime dragon thingy). He could grab WarGreymon and use his Heat Ball attack that Nuova Shenron stated could kill Omega, and Omega's version of it is probably far, far stronger than his. Omega can also use wind shields, and wind blades of some sort (Oceanus Shenron), absorb other living (Mole Dragon's power), freeze at nearly absolute zero (Eis Shenron), a toxic poison that slowly drains people of their power (Haze Shenron, lol). As for durability, he survived a Big Bang Kamehameha from Gogeta Super Saiyan 4.

I think Omega wins this pretty solid.
 
-Except he can also get knocked out of the Omega Shenron form which will rid him of his regen.

-Brave Shield will easily block projectiles.

-Would he do that automatically do that in character?

-WarGreymon can resist Absolute Zero, so the ice won't be a problem.

-Has he in character ever used the poison in battle?

-Has he in character absorbed other living beings in character?

-I don't believe Gogeta ever used Big Bang Kamehameha on him
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
-Except he can also get knocked out of the Omega Shenron form which will rid him of his regen.
-Brave Shield will easily block projectiles.

-Would he do that automatically do that in character?

-WarGreymon can resist Absolute Zero, so the ice won't be a problem.

-Has he in character ever used the poison in battle?

-Has he in character absorbed other living beings in character?

-I don't believe Gogeta ever used Big Bang Kamehameha on him
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- It probably cannot block his Negative Energy Ball, which even Gogeta had to make a little bit of effort to knock it into space. If he's cornered, he'll blow up everything.

- Probably not, but he'd try to use it eventually. He does have Heat Armor which envelops him in sun-like temperatures.

- I know, but it'll at least be useful for stalling WarGreymon, otherwise MetalGarurumon wouldn't be able to stand up to him. Though Eis' Ice manipulation could be absolute Zero through Super Ice Ray, which is stronger than Normal Ice Ray that is near absolute Zero. He also does have Absolute Zero techinique that quickly lowers his body temperatures to 0, kinda like Dio Brando, but far more advanced.

- No, but he has absorbed Haze Shenron, which means he can and there's no indication he cannot.

- Same with previous answer, if he had the chance to, he would.

- You might want to double-check that, dude.
 
-You assume WarrGreymon is much weaker than Gogeta. WarGreymon's Brave Shield has blocked attacks from other high level Galaxy level Digimo as well without a scratch. This attack will be nothing new.

-The temperature of the sun isn't as strong as you think....

-Except Garurumon is also equal to him in power and has much more than Absolute Zero. OS's Ice will be useless here.

-Except he has never done so in character. And thus Standard Battle Assumptions dictates he won't do so in character.

-Same as above.

-By tanking it, do you mean getting destroyed and having all the Dragon Balls lost?
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
-You assume WarrGreymon is much weaker than Gogetan. WarGreymon's Brave Shield has blocked attacks from other high level Galaxy level Digimo as well without a scratch. This attack will be nothing new.
-The temperature of the sun isn't as strong as you think....

-Except Garurumon is also equal to him in power and has much more than Absolute Zero. OS's Ice will be useless here.

-Except he has never done so in character. And thus Standard Battle Assumptions dictates he won't do so in character.

-Same as above.

-By tanking it, do you mean getting destroyed and having all the Dragon Balls lost?
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- If Omega Shenron is being pitched against Omega Shenron, it means they're overall equal in terms of power. If that's the case, Gogeta stomps WarGreymon out no joke. Let's not forget he blinked Omega away. If Gogeta had to do effort to deflect an attack from a person he blinked away, that must have been one strong blast, and that if Omega just don't blows up the entire galaxy and makes Brave Shield useless from blocking it.

- Still, the Heat Ball Attack is strong enough to kill Omega if it's done by Nuova, Omega's stronger than him by a lot, even back when he was Syn Shenron. It's fair to assume that it'd kill an "Omega Shenron" to Omega Shenron at best.

- MetalGarurumon here is listed to be absolute zero at best, you might wanna talk to someone about it, because I'm using what the wiki has up on a page.

- He is still capable of that, since he is all the dragons into one. He has the collective memory and skills from all the other dragons. Standard Battle Assumptions dictates he'll have to use it the same way a part of him once did, which is done so by mainly stalling after the toxic gas has spread around the battle field.

- Omega does not have the same coward personality, he probably wouldn't use it, though if the conditions are met. He could very well fake his death and when WarGreymon gets too close, he'd be absorbed. Though he'd most likely not do that unless absolutely necessary. He just didn't use it against the Z Fighters because they already knew about it in the first place, but WarGreymon don't.

- You mean the same dragons balls he got back mere seconds after he lost them?

EDIT: He did use a combination of Oceanu's and Haze's ability to spread the "minus power" across the Earth which caused disasters in the entire surface of the planet.
 
-You assume both are evenly matched in AP. Most people pit them up against characters forTier alone. Not to mention Wargreymon has weapons designed to kill beings like Omega. You are assuming too much. Especially if we really want to compare what end of Galaxy level these guys truly are. Also busting the universe will do nothing to WarGreymon seeing as he is easily above baseline Galaxy level.

-You cannot use ABC logic like that. Plus like I said he has never done so in character.

-I never said MGarurumon had more than Absolute Zero Temps. I meant that he had more in his arsenal. Nothing you've said actually has countered this.

-Being capable =/= he will during SBA. Show me one time he has naturally just used that in combat. We can't assume he will.

-Same as above.

-WarGreymon could just destroy them. WarGreymon is no fool, once he sees Omega Shenron gain them back once, all he has to is kill him again. Something WarGreymon can easily do here.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
-You assume both are evenly matched in AP. Most people pit them up against characters forTier alone. Not to mention Wargreymon has weapons designed to kill beings like Omega. You are assuming too much. Especially if we really want to compare what end of Galaxy level these guys truly are. Also busting the universe will do nothing to WarGreymon seeing as he is easily above baseline Galaxy level.
-You cannot use ABC logic like that. Plus like I said he has never done so in character.

-I never said MGarurumon had more than Absolute Zero Temps. I meant that he had more in his arsenal. Nothing you've said actually has countered this.

-Being capable =/= he will during SBA. Show me one time he has naturally just used that in combat. We can't assume he will.

-Same as above.

-WarGreymon could just destroy them. WarGreymon is no fool, once he sees Omega Shenron gain them back once, all he has to is kill him again. Something WarGreymon can easily do here.
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- If the universe was destroyed, WarGreymon would be 100% percent dead. I never claimed Omega would destroy the universe, lol. Honestly, Omega just needs to use a bending 10x Kamehameha the moment WarGreymon draws his shield to block it, and blast his back off. Not to mention, the effects of the Dramon Killers on non-digimon dragons is unknown, so they might even be as good as useless here.

- He kinda did, but the Nuova jumped out and took control of the techinique and tried to kill Omega with it. I'm just assuming Nuova won't do that in this fight, otherwise it's Omega Shenron Vs Nuova Shenron and WarGreymon.

- Omega does have a much more pratical use of Ice Techiniques than MetalGarurumon, Super Ice Ray is a eye beam techinique (a type of ki blast that is known for it's speed in the Dragon Ball Universe, if he uses it for close combat, I don't think WarGreymon would be able to evade it. Shenron also has the blinding techinique which may or may not be useful at all.

- Has used it in combination with Oceanus' move to spread a cloud of darkness that covered the earth and caused many disasters.

- Alright, I concede.

- Implying WarGreymon would know it from the start. He'd only do that after witnessing it once.

- Omega can also completely conceal his energy and knock down Nuova level fighters easily without they even noticing. Omega can use that for his advantage to surprise attack WarGreymon many times.
 
-I meant galaxy....Been in too many universal fights lol. And WarGreymon could y'know spin to block. And also don't pull that non-Digimon argument. It works on all Dragons. Simple as that. If you disagree, make a CRT.

-What part of resistance don't you understand. Ice attacks will be next to useless here. Also speed is equalized. Also a blast of Absolute Zero vs a Beam of almost Absolute Zero... Regardless of versatility, nothing changes.

-I will not repeat my last points.

-I said that. And Ii also said it won't take much for WarGreymon to destroy him again. Nothing has changes from previous arguments from myself and those above.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
-I meant galaxy....Been in too many universal fights lol. And WarGreymon could y'know spin to block. And also don't pull that non-Digimon argument. It works on all Dragons. Simple as that. If you disagree, make a CRT.
-What part of resistance don't you understand. Ice attacks will be next to useless here. Also speed is equalized. Also a blast of Absolute Zero vs a Beam of almost Absolute Zero... Regardless of versatility, nothing changes.

-I will not repeat my last points.

-I said that. And Ii also said it won't take much for WarGreymon to destroy him again. Nothing has changes from previous arguments from myself and those above.
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- And Shenron could spin to attack, trapping both in and endless loop for all eternity. I'm just going by the wiki, and it states it's effects on non-digimon dragon is unknown as of now. It says that on the profile page, here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Dramon_Killers

- Speed might be equalized, but eye blasts and finger blasts are almost impossible to dodge in close combat if you're equal in speed to your opponent. It's sword Vs gun all over again. Super Ice Ray is absolute zero via it > average Ice Ray as showcased by the series itself.

- Alright, just want you to know he can do it if he used it with Oceanus' techinique. Which is honestly, quite worse than the normal toxic gas attack, so... yeah.

- As if Omega Shenron would let him even get close to him with the OP Wind Manipulation he has. Plus eletricity manipulation that is also very powerful. If he's near to any sort of source of eletricity he might even get stronger. But since the battlegrounds aren't stated to be a bustling city, I imagine it must be something like the World of Void from DBS.
 
-Outdated. Especially as we treat it differently now. We treat it as working on all dragons due to verse equalization.

-We cannot scale powers like that. Where is it stated that OS's Ice is Absolute Zero? You act like WarGreymon has no skills of his own when he has ranged techniques at his disposal.

-Has never used it in character.

-Wind Manipulation is far from OP. What makes this wind manipulation that he has never used so powerful. Electricity is just another attack for WarGreymon.

Let me ask, how far into the Galaxy Tier is Omega Shenron?
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
-Outdated. Especially as we treat it differently now. We treat it as working on all dragons due to verse equalization.
-We cannot scale powers like that. Where is it stated that OS's Ice is Absolute Zero? You act like WarGreymon has no skills of his own when he has ranged techniques at his disposal.

-Has never used it in character.

-Wind Manipulation is far from OP. What makes this wind manipulation that he has never used so powerful. Electricity is just another attack for WarGreymon.

Let me ask, how far into the Galaxy Tier is Omega Shenron?
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- Then it should be updated, don't you think?

- Well, he does have, like, two ranged techniques, but Omega has a much more versatile moveset than him and is far more experienced in close quarters combat. Unlike Omega, he cannot correct the course of his Gaia Force, Brave Tornado would fall under Omega's Mighty Hurricane Fury, Eletric Slime would eventually take a toll on WarGreymon's stamina and Super Ice Ray would slow him down if not only for a while. If WarGreymon is capable of destroying Omega's body, he might just reconstitute himself from within WarGreymon's body through Dragon Booster (which is the absorption techinique, mind you, but with a little twist). WarGreymon stands no chance in this fight.

- As long as Dramon Breaker dosen't prevent Regenerationn, Omega is cool with it. Dragon Fist scattered his slime across the entire city and he came back just fine.

- He used it in character to spread destruction through the entire planet, did you even watch GT at all?

Far enough to fight WarGreymon.
 
-We've been over this above. You seem to be downplaying WarGreymon here a lot. You keep bringing up ice when it will not effect him. I've stated this multiple times. And like Oomega would not start with those attacks ou mentioned. And as we've all said above, the moment he loses the Dragon Ball here, he;s done. Especially from a stronger opponent. Also if you want to pull out moves he Omega never used, I can just pull out the Overwrite argument and having WarGreymon gaining resistances and huge power buffs de to his Reactive Evolution. But again Omega has done none of the stuff you mentioned in character. Once again none of your points stick. Sorry, but based on everything brought up here and everything brought up earlier. WarGreymon wins.

-Yet Goku was not strong enough to knock the Ddragon Balls out. Something WarGreymon who has much more combat experience against foes on his level with more variety than Omega can easily do.

-Show me a clip of this "OP" wind manipulation. Show me it being used in combat to harm the characters as well.

-It is clear WGM has the AP and Durability advantage going by feats. Tthis gives him a massive advantage.

However, I'm done here my vote stays.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
-We've been over this above. You seem to be downplaying WarGreymon here a lot. You keep bringing up ice when it will not effect him. I've stated this multiple times. And like Oomega would not start with those attacks ou mentioned. And as we've all said above, the moment he loses the Dragon Ball here, he;s done. Especially from a stronger opponent. Also if you want to pull out moves he Omega never used, I can just pull out the Overwrite argument and having WarGreymon gaining resistances and huge power buffs de to his Reactive Evolution. But again Omega has done none of the stuff you mentioned in character. Once again none of your points stick. Sorry, but based on everything brought up here and everything brought up earlier. WarGreymon wins.
-Yet Goku was not strong enough to knock the Ddragon Balls out. Something WarGreymon who has much more combat experience against foes on his level with more variety than Omega can easily do.

-Show me a clip of this "OP" wind manipulation. Show me it being used in combat to harm the characters as well.

-It is clear WGM has the AP and Durability advantage going by feats. Tthis gives him a massive advantage.

However, I'm done here my vote stays.
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- For that you'll have to watch about 2 hours of youtube videos. I mean, it's the whole fight against Omega Shenron and that took a while. You seem to lack complete knowledge of Dragon Ball overall, it's just sad.

Dragonball GT Goku vs Omega Shenron
Dragonball GT Goku vs Omega Shenro


- Here we can see just how skilled with his skills Omega really is:

> Burned Goku Super Saiyan 4 with his Heat Armor;

> Instantly froze Goku with Absolute Zero through the eyes

> As he said, Omega is all the Shenron and will in character use any move the Dragons might have if needed to defeat his opponents, but whatever.

> His Wind Manipulation can cut throught absolute zero ice like it was nothing;

> Omega can attack from the above by mixing his Ki with the atmosphere through Haze's Shenron Power. In the video, he uses the Thunder Dragon Clap from the clouds to attack Goku (another variation of this move uses his spikes);

> Even Self-Destruct wouldn't cause Omega any permanet harm;

https://animacurse.moe/?p=9267

Sorry, but I couldn't find this episode anywhere else and in your language. Skip to 15:20:

> Nuova talks about how his body will withstand his fire ball attack;

> Omega then says: "Is that so? Then I'll just have to take your body!"

> The Dragon Balls are launched from Omega's body and attach itself to Nuova's;

> Later, Nuova's body cracks to reveal a 7 star Omega Shenron, who absorbed the 4th in the process of absorbing Nuova.

Pretty simple stuff, there's no way you won't get it.

Last resort Goku vs Omega Shenron!!!
Last resort Goku vs Omega Shenron!!!


Here, Omega's negative energy starts destroying the Earth, just to spread across the entire universe and do the same. He uses Haze's Shenron powers to a far greater scale. Now, it dosen't only drain people of their power, it destroys everything over time 'till there's nothing.

(Those aren't all the clips I wanted to show you, for some reason finding good GT clips is pretty hard these days. I'll just download the entire series and post the most important clips here for you when it's done, for now, that's all I have)
 
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