Olimar vs Hamster (2-0-0)

[Expectro2000xxx]

Somehow got this idea and wanted to give it a try. Hammond don't have his wrecking ball, speed equal, distance between them 10cm. Olimar pikmins: 20 red pikmin, 20 blue pikmin, 10 yellow pikmin, 5 rock pikmin, 5 Purple pikmin, 3 winged pikmin

Olimar: 2
vs
Hammond: 0

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Bump.

 

[CrackerVolley]

Hm. To begin with, I think Olimar should be capable of hurting WB since other Captains were capable of fighting the much larger Quaggled Mireclops, so AP discussion isn't a really big factor.

WB has a few advantages such as likely being more since Olimar doesn't have Moss with him, and his higher scientific intelligence. However, I don't think he can actually abuse his intel that much since SBA implies they fight in NYC's Central Park, and he wouldn't have much to utilize outside of I don't know, extracting latex from dandelions as an adhesive weapon. Also, he doesn't have much combat experience outside of his mech. He's basically a bigger, smarter Oatchi without any neat tricks.

Meanwhile, Olimar has a lot more combat and tactical experience. His Pikmin are also more versatile and should be capable of striking weak areas such as the eyes, potentially even with the White Pikmin's acid spit, which is caustic enough to destroy iron/steel bolts.

Voting Olimar.

 

[Oiguana2701]

Olimar FRA

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Meanwhile, Olimar has a lot more combat and tactical experience. His Pikmin are also more versatile and should be capable of striking weak areas such as the eyes, potentially even with the White Pikmin's acid spit, which is caustic enough to destroy iron/steel bolts.

Olimar don't have any White Pikmin, in the op I state that he only have: 20 red pikmin, 20 blue pikmin, 10 yellow pikmin, 5 rock pikmin, 5 Purple pikmin, 3 winged pikmin.

Everything else is fine so counting votes.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Bump.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Bump.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

So... does Hammond even has a wincondition?

 

[CrackerVolley]

Eating Olimar

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

So... does Hammond even has a wincondition?

Pretty sure that with his intelligence he can pull ways to strategically defeat them and use the environment to his advantage, plus the fact that the more pikmin he defeat the weaker Olimar side will be.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Pretty sure that with his intelligence he can pull ways to strategically defeat them and use the environment to his advantage, plus the fact that the more pikmin he defeat the weaker Olimar side will be.

Meh, as stated prefvious Hammond don't have much create in the enviroment and yes he is smart but has 0 combat experience outside his mech

not to mention Olimar has defeated much more treaatning creatures then a hammster

not to mention he has a lot of pikmin here

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Meh, as stated prefvious Hammond don't have much create in the enviroment and yes he is smart but has 0 combat experience outside his mech

not to mention Olimar has defeated much more treaatning creatures then a hammster

not to mention he has a lot of pikmin here

He don't need to know how to do kung fu as a hammster to know how to use the terrain at his advantage, use hit and run tactics, hide and ambush and such when he is not only a genius but have actual experience in tactical combats.

Yeah, but as far I know they weren't anything close to Hammond level of intelligence.

Yes and no, he have exactly 63 pikmin, with 40 of them being the red and blue pikmin who are pretty much useless as they special traits don't come to play here, 10 yellow pikmin that while useful are few in numbers, and the rest of pikming are also useful but get extremely limited by their really low numbers, so the actually dangerous pikmins have numbers so low that their threat gets considerably reduced.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Bump.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

He don't need to know how to do kung fu as a hammster to know how to use the terrain at his advantage, use hit and run tactics, hide and ambush and such when he is not only a genius but have actual experience in tactical combats.

Yeah, but as far I know they weren't anything close to Hammond level of intelligence.

Yes and no, he have exactly 63 pikmin, with 40 of them being the red and blue pikmin who are pretty much useless as they special traits don't come to play here, 10 yellow pikmin that while useful are few in numbers, and the rest of pikming are also useful but get extremely limited by their really low numbers, so the actually dangerous pikmins have numbers so low that their threat gets considerably reduced.

1- Red pikimin nose are sharp making their DPS a lot higher so I wouldn't say they are useless
2- With this amount of pikimin Olimar can take out most of the bigger threats if not all of then trough numbers alone and his carefull planing
3-There are enemies in pikimin that use thouse tatics and they all fall to the pikmin armada, not to mention they Pikmin would grab on hammond fur making harder to just stop beingh damaged

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

1- Red pikimin nose are sharp making their DPS a lot higher so I wouldn't say they are useless
2- With this amount of pikimin Olimar can take out most of the bigger threats if not all of then trough numbers alone and his carefull planing
3-There are enemies in pikimin that use thouse tatics and they all fall to the pikmin armada, not to mention they Pikmin would grab on hammond fur making harder to just stop beingh damaged

1- Unless their nose is also sharp and they consistently use it as weapon then yes, that's useless. And to begin with it seems their nose isn't even hard as it can fold, so I'm doubtful of how useful it would be as weapon.
2-Cool, then he needs to play carfully so the opponent don't win through a even smarter planing.
3-Have any of those enemies being even half as smart as Hammond? If they grab with their hand then their options to attacks would get reduced, and you also talk like he can't get the pikmin off while running (like, the Red Bulborg, who can also easily eat several of them without problem, can throw them off by just shaking a little) or just slamming against something (because, let's remember that their durability is literally a quarter of a Joule).

Something that you are also ignoring it's Hammond mobility as hamster, since hamster can jump close to two times their whole size, climb quite high, run for long periods of times that go between 4-6 hours a night to even 12 hours. And although he don't have listed stealth mastery in his profile, it's noted how actually hard it's from the personal of the base were he grew to keep track of him, even being able to hide for days.

Considering the location and his ability to talk with animals, Hammond could even use other animals to also fight Olimar side or lure them into traps with them (something like guide them to an ant colony, with squirrels as there are tons in Central Park), after all Central Park have big amounts of animals. After all, with his great intelligence he possess a great adaptability to new situation, something that have made him overcome all the challenges in front of him.

Heck, another factor getting ignored it's that Hammond don't even need to get rid of all pikmin (or even most of them), he just need to defeat Olimar who is controling them, something that he would easily notice with his intelligence.

Olimar is far from being getting an easy win against someone like Hammond.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

1- Unless their nose is also sharp and they consistently use it as weapon then yes, that's useless. And to begin with it seems their nose isn't even hard as it can fold, so I'm doubtful of how useful it would be as weapon

The nose is literraly the reason they do more damage then the other 3 main colors when they headbutt a target

Considering the location and his ability to talk with animals, Hammond could even use other animals to also fight Olimar side or lure them into traps with them (something like guide them to an ant colony, with squirrels as there are tons in Central Park), after all Central Park have big amounts of animals. After all, with his great intelligence he possess a great adaptability to new situation, something that have made him overcome all the challenges in front of him.

Why would the animals want to help hammond? And They pikimin and Olimar wouldn't have much problem fighting ants, other animals could be made run away by just trowing rock pikmin at them

Heck, another factor getting ignored it's that Hammond don't even need to get rid of all pikmin (or even most of them), he just need to defeat Olimar who is controling them, something that he would easily notice with his intelligence

Okay? He still would need to pass trough the pikmin army to do that and Olimar isn't defensyless on his own

Olimar is far from being getting an easy win against someone like Hammond.

That part You quite conviced me, but now I think is Only Mid dificult, still voting Olimar

Olimar trows a white pikmin at hammond mouth

 

[CrackerVolley]

OP sadly restricted white pikmin

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

The nose is literraly the reason they do more damage then the other 3 main colors when they headbutt a target

Why would the animals want to help hammond? And They pikimin and Olimar wouldn't have much problem fighting ants, other animals could be made run away by just trowing rock pikmin at them

Okay? He still would need to pass trough the pikmin army to do that and Olimar isn't defensyless on his own

I would like some confirmation of that, because the profile don't say anything like that, the videos I have see don't really show that, and the fact that their nose can get twisted after a small fall actually point for the nose to be quite weak.

He could convince them by talking to them, or depending of how Hammond lure Olimar side they could decide to attack them by themselves (like if they make go to an ant colony). The ants example would be a problem due to their numbers and because they can easily kill pikmin (after all, a quarter of a joule of durability means pretty much anyone can easily kill them) which would reduce their numbers, disperse those able to protect Olimar, etc. The same basically happens with other animals.

A good charge, surprise attack (via hiding and then attacking), an attack from above by jumping high, and likely other things could do the work of taking Olimar down if they hit.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Red Pikmin have spiked noses, and as a result, have above average attack power, at 1.5× that of most types. This means they deal more damage when latched onto an enemy, making them especially useful in battle.

Source: https://www.pikminwiki.com/Red_Pikm...spiked noses,them especially useful in battle.

Not to mention the desing logic of the 3 original

Blue has a mouth that let's then breath underwater

Yellow can be trowed longer distances, big ears to make their air time a bit longer

Red pikmin do the most damage of the 3, spiked nose

 

[JustANormalLemon]

He could convince them by talking to them, or depending of how Hammond lure Olimar side they could decide to attack them by themselves (like if they make go to an ant colony). The ants example would be a problem due to their numbers and because they can easily kill pikmin (after all, a quarter of a joule of durability means pretty much anyone can easily kill them) which would reduce their numbers, disperse those able to protect Olimar, etc. The same basically happens with other animals

Meh, can't really see this happening reliable withot prepare time

A good charge, surprise attack (via hiding and then attacking), an attack from above by jumping high, and likely other things could do the work of taking Olimar down if they hit

Their speed is equalized and olimar pikimin when trowed are much faster so olimar has the projectile speed advantage, so It will be quite hard for the hamster to get to hide sinse Olimar will always be behind him

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Bump.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Bump.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Bad news everyone...

Hammond has High 8-C durability.

Cause ya see, his profile rework went through on the 12th, which included Hammond physically having said Durability

 

[DaReaperMan]

Also just saying the match would be invalid anyway cause speed was a main argument and Hammond is faster lol