Of Magic and Rage - Lord Tirek vs Atrocitus

[Kiryu2012]

Lord Tirek

vs

Atrocitus

Rules:

4-B versions

This is Tirek at full power

Speed equalized

Otherwise SBA

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Tirek has a HUGE AP advantage here, but from what i recall Atrocitus' page is missing some powers...

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

I feel like Atrocitus has this. Lantern rings can absorb magical energies and reflect them back, Atrocitus' blood vomit can probably burn through Tirek's forcefields... Atro also has a genius-level intelligence, his powers grow stronger the angrier he gets, and he has precog through blood sorcery.


Also, A) what feat does Atro's AP and dura scale from?

and B), which 4-B version of Tirek is being used, and what's the calc on the feats he scales from?

 

[Kiryu2012]

This is Tirek after absorbing Discord's power, but before absorbing Twilight's.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Okay, so

Atrocitus scales to Superman's 5.65e+46 joules feat

Post Discod Tirek should be roughly twice as powerful as Celestia's 4.089E+47 joules feat

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

That would make it an AP advantage for Tirek, definitely...

Just out of curiousity, what about pre-Discord Tirek? Or would that just be tipping the scales in Atro's favor?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Pre-Discord would pretty much just scale to Celestia's feat directly, still an advantage but a lesss one

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

So, wait, is Celestia's feat greater than Superman's? It doesn't really look like it to me, but it's been some time since I learned scientific notation.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yes, her feat yielded more than Supes'

 

[Graf_Thorsdottir]

Just saying, Matt's calc of IMP gave all 4-Bs in DC in the hundreds of kiloFoe range

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

Just saying, Matt's calc of IMP gave all 4-Bs in DC in the hundreds of kiloFoe range

Can we get a link to that? If that's the case, this is an AP stomp for Atrocitus, no?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

If thats what we're going off f then it's be best to use full-power Tirek, he should be around that level

 

[Kiryu2012]

Alright then, full power Tirek it is.

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

And full power Tirek scales to...?

Even with a potential AP advantage on Tirek's side, though, I feel Atro has this with AP boost via Rage Manipulation, as well as precog through blood magic, and energy/magic absorption with the Red Power Ring/Battery.

As an aside--why don't we have a key for Butcher-possessed Atrocitus? There are Ion and Parallax keys for several of the GLs...

 

[Kiryu2012]

Bump.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Koroudo Full Power Tirek >>> 4 Alicorn Magic Twilight = Post Discord Tirek > Post Mane 6 Tirek > Post Shining Armor Tirek >= Celestia

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Isn't Post Shining Armor Tirek > Celestia since he was confident he could defeat three alicorns at once?

 

[Js250476]

Very likely

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

...Yeah, I'm still gonna vote for Atrocitus, here. AP in the hundreds of kiloFOE range, Energy absorption, precog through blood sorcery, and plasma vomit that can burn through forcefields.

 

[Lightbuster30]

...Yeah, I'm still gonna vote for Atrocitus, here. AP in the hundreds of kiloFOE range, Energy absorption, precog through blood sorcery, and plasma vomit that can burn through forcefields.

Say wha now? Yeah....guess who I'm voting for. Unless Tirek uses Discord's erasure, but that is ooc.

 

[Js250476]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...der/Flash:_Explaining_the_Infinite_Mass_Punch He's referring to this

 

[Desiromaster]

Voting for Atrocitus too for Korudo's reaoning.

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

Semi-old thread, but I feel like bumping this. Poor Atrocitus needs *something* on his profile, dammit.

 

[Lightbuster30]

Voting Tirek via RWing.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Doesn't use it in character.

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

Well, we have 3 votes for Atrocitus, then, and none currently with valid reasonings in favor of Tirek or an inconclusive match-up.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Hold up, why are people saying Atrocitus scales to a hundrds of kilofoe feat when he doesnt?

Atrocitus scales to the LOW end, 1.08 Kilofoe

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

Hold up, why are people saying Atrocitus scales to a hundrds of kilofoe feat when he doesnt?
Atrocitus scales to the LOW end, 1.08 Kilofoe

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...der/Flash:_Explaining_the_Infinite_Mass_Punch

Pretty sure Hal Jordan scales to this calc, and Atrocitus scales from him. They can both achieve the level of relativity needed to perform the feat.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yes, He scales to that feat but he scales to the low end of 1.08 Kilofoe, not the high end of 600+ Megafoe

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

If he only scales to the low-end then Tirek one-shots.

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

And which version of Tirek scales from a similar feat?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Tirek at his weakest would still have the AP advantage here because his weakest 4-B form is 4x stronger than Atrocitus

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Full power Tirek is massively above Discord, who is massively above Celestia and Luna, who are both casually 4 kilofoes each.

 

[Lightbuster30]

Full power Tirek is massively above Discord, who is massively above Celestia and Luna, who are both casually 4 kilofoes each.

Tirek fra. RIP Megafoes.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Yeah, basically. If Atrocitus is only 1 kilofoe, Tirek can use the classic strategy of hitting him really hard.

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

Well..shit. RIP Atrocitus, then.

Would this match-up be a bit more of an even contest? Atrocitus (DC) vs. Apocalypse (Marvel Comics)

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Heads up that people should probably use the less shaky Celestia calc just to be safe, as the ~4 kilofoe one is insanely close to the relativistic KE cutoff point.

This doesn't make much of a difference, as the other Celestia calc is still ~1 kilofoe, but I'm just sayin'.