Oetsu Nimaiya Pack

[Duedate8898]

Okay, so if Oetsu can negate High-Godly regen with his Katana, are you then saying that the river of blood that was used to heal Oetsu after he cut himself with this same blade can resist High-Godly regen negation that those bestowed with the soul king's powers possess can't?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Okay, so if Oetsu can negate High-Godly regen with his Katana, are you then saying that the river of blood that was used to heal Oetsu after he cut himself with this same blade can resist High-Godly regen negation that those bestowed with the soul king's powers possess can't?

1. Pernida’s power was shown to be active in that scene.
2. Lille is shocked Gerard was killed despite his power.
3. Lille himself has a self imposed limiter where he needs to open his eyes 3 times which doesn't matter when you're blitzed.

 

[Ralp0054]

Okay, so if Oetsu can negate High-Godly regen with his Katana, are you then saying that the river of blood that was used to heal Oetsu after he cut himself with this same blade can resist High-Godly regen negation that those bestowed with the soul king's powers possess can't?

I think Oetsu's only 2 attacks were not deadly, when Askin tries to escape from the attack by throwing himself back, and the other when Oetsu cuts his own throat to not die, others were carried out with the intent to kill and were successful. This may also be due to Oetsu, the creator and user of the sword.

 

[Ralp0054]

We need to think about what Duedate is talking about. With such a deadly sword, he cuts his throat the first time and survives thanks to the tenjiro, then cuts the second and kills himself this time. hmm We must clarify this.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

We need to think about what Duedate is talking about. With such a deadly sword, he cuts his throat the first time and survives thanks to the tenjiro, then cuts the second and kills himself this time. hmm We must clarify this.

how do we clarify something with no information? Only Kubo can. All I know for sure is clearly something was going on there that they were all able to get 1 shot by a “sharp sword” despite their defensive abilities.

 

[Adam1396]

Okay, so if Oetsu can negate High-Godly regen with his Katana, are you then saying that the river of blood that was used to heal Oetsu after he cut himself with this same blade can resist High-Godly regen negation that those bestowed with the soul king's powers possess can't?

I guess you are ignoring a lot of evidences and forgetting zankpakutos can be used for normal cutting, no hax.

I think Oetsu's only 2 attacks were not deadly, when Askin tries to escape from the attack by throwing himself back, and the other when Oetsu cuts his own throat to not die, others were carried out with the intent to kill and were successful. This may also be due to Oetsu, the creator and user of the sword.

We need to think about what Duedate is talking about. With such a deadly sword, he cuts his throat the first time and survives thanks to the tenjiro, then cuts the second and kills himself this time. hmm We must clarify this.

I don't get what's to clarify here. He got revived both times. And he can use it for normal slash as well.

 

[Deceived3596]

I'm very unsure about assuming that since Oetsu put them down with a sword that is described as being a 1 hit kill - slashing them down for an unknown amount of time, and since both didn't regenerate within that unknown time frame, and since we have future evidence of when they were significantly stronger, and had better iterations of their ability, regenerating from visually more impressive damage in a most likely quicker time frame, it should mean he is bypassing their regeneration.

It to me has so many unjustified assumptions that are only derived from unknown variables we have in this particular event. If we had more evidence, I would be more inclined to agree with the OP and his conclusions. I just don't see the conclusion being more justified compared to any other interpretation of the text, that is interpreted in a way that uses the same events, but assumes different rationalizations for them.

So, for voting purposes: place me down as Disagreeing until evidence is provided that convinces me of the contrary.

 

[Ralp0054]

Of course, we do our best with what is given to us

how do we clarify something with no information? Only Kubo can. All I know for sure is clearly something was going on there that they were all able to get 1 shot by a “sharp sword” despite their defensive abilities.

I guess you are ignoring a lot of evidences and forgetting zankpakutos can be used for normal cutting, no hax.

I don't get what's to clarify here. He got revived both times. And he can use it for normal slash as well.

I already think so. So we can consider that it can use it as a variable.
I'm checking if there's a problem, We will get results with these

 

[Adam1396]

Bump

 

[Jo-Smooth]

Askin saying Gerard ‘finally used his Schrift’ is heavily implying, almost outright saying that Gerard didn’t have it activated before he encountered Byakuya, Renji and the others. And like I mentioned before, if it was always active, Gerard would always be a giant from the previous times using the ability.

 

[Adam1396]

Askin saying Gerard ‘finally used his Schrift’ is heavily implying, almost outright saying that Gerard didn’t have it activated before he encountered Byakuya, Renji and the others. And like I mentioned before, if it was always active, Gerard would always be a giant from the previous times using the ability.

What!!!
It's because gerard was battling them for quite a while and wasn’t using it. How would askin know? Off course gerard wasn’t getting bigger.

Passive ability can be actively shut down.
While both askin, lillie implies he was using it against SZ.

You successfully failed to address why he couldn’t activate it after a slash when he could do that after getting his head blown off.

 

[Jo-Smooth]

What!!!
It's because gerard was battling them for quite a while and wasn’t using it. How would askin know? Off course gerard wasn’t getting bigger.

So you agree that Gerard can choose not to activate it? And Askin was a Sternritter and now a SS member, he should know the abilities of his comrades and even goes on to explain that Gerard and Pernida are special

Passive ability can be actively shut down.
While both askin, lillie implies he was using it against SZ.

They didn’t imply that he was using his Schrift, they were surprised he got one blitzed and one shotted so easily.

You successfully failed to address why he couldn’t activate it after a slash when he could do that after getting his head blown off.

I didn’t say he couldn’t activate it. He just didn’t activate it. But if I really wanted to make that argument, I could just say that the conditions for a Miracle happening weren’t met since the Quincy had the advantage with the entire SS fighting 1 man, and Yhwach who has the power to revive them sitting in the background

Against the Shinigami, it was a 1 v many with Gerard in disadvantageous situations, thus making his revival ‘a Miracle’. And that’s supported by Gerard’s esoteric dialogue against the Gotei

Edited to include the links to his dialogue ^

 

[Adam1396]

So you agree that Gerard can choose not to activate it? And Askin was a Sternritter and now a SS member, he should know the abilities of his comrades and even goes on to explain that Gerard and Pernida are special


They didn’t imply that he was using his Schrift, they were surprised he got one blitzed and one shotted so easily.

I didn’t say he couldn’t activate it. He just didn’t activate it. But if I really wanted to make that argument, I could just say that the conditions for a Miracle happening weren’t met since the Quincy had the advantage with the entire SS fighting 1 man, and Yhwach who has the power to revive them sitting in the background

Against the Shinigami, it was a 1 v many with Gerard in disadvantageous situations, thus making his revival ‘a Miracle’. And that’s supported by his dialogue against the Gotei

Exatly. But that just didn’t happen when they went to face off the boses of shinigami.

They implied. Hence they were shocked and lillie claimed oetsu was using some kind of tricked.

This doesn’t explain pernida's case.

He doesn’t imply such things. Even if he implies it doesn’t sit right with him getting destroyed by a stronger opponent but no miracle happened.

 

[Jo-Smooth]

Exatly. But that just didn’t happen when they went to face off the boses of shinigami.

Because like I said, it was a 4 v 1 with Jugram and Yhwach waiting in the background. His dialogue implies he needs to be a disadvantage for the Miracle to activate, but even if we ignore the dialogue…he just didn’t activate it in this instance.

They implied. Hence they were shocked and lillie claimed oetsu was using some kind of tricked.

Oetsu was using a ‘trick’. A one shot kill zanpakuto

This doesn’t explain pernida's case.

I wasn’t arguing about Pernida’s case, but Pernida’s immortality stems from regeneration, not an esoteric ability that I’m arguing wasn’t activated like in Gerard’s case.

He doesn’t imply such things. Even if he implies it doesn’t sit right with him getting destroyed by a stronger opponent but no miracle happened.

I edited my previous reply with links to Gerard’s exact dialogue. And Renji is stronger than Oetsu via scaling to/downscaling from Uryu and Byakuya’s in the same tier as sealed Oetsu but will likely be far stronger than him by the time Cour 4 adapts Zaraki, Toshiro and Byakuya vs Gerard

 

[Adam1396]

Because like I said, it was a 4 v 1 with Jugram and Yhwach waiting in the background. His dialogue implies he needs to be a disadvantage for the Miracle to activate, but even if we ignore the dialogue…he just didn’t activate it in this instance.


Oetsu was using a ‘trick’. A one shot kill zanpakuto


I wasn’t arguing about Pernida’s case, but Pernida’s immortality stems from regeneration, not an esoteric ability that I’m arguing wasn’t activated like in Gerard’s case.


I edited my previous reply with links to Gerard’s exact dialogue. And Renji is stronger than Oetsu via scaling to/downscaling from Uryu and Byakuya’s in the same tier as sealed Oetsu but will likely be far stronger than him by the time Cour 4 adapts Zaraki, Toshiro and Byakuya vs Gerard

Exactly, one shot kill. Your point have to explain pernida's case as well, since it all connect to nimaiya's one shot kill trick.

 

[Jo-Smooth]

Exactly, one shot kill. Your point have to explain pernida's case as well, since it all connect to nimaiya's one shot kill trick.

I don’t have to argue for Pernida. I’m not arguing against Oetsu’s One Shot One Kill. My point is that I believe Gerard didn’t activate his Schrift and that Askin’s dialogue and Gerard’s own later dialogue supports that.

Aka what I’m saying: Oetsu did kill Gerard with his one shot ability but Gerard didn’t activate his Schrift. That’s the only point I’m making. I’m indifferent about Pernida as his ability works completely different from Gerard, it’s biology/regeneration based

 

[Adam1396]

I don’t have to argue for Pernida. I’m not arguing against Oetsu’s One Shot One Kill. My point is that I believe Gerard didn’t activate his Schrift and that Askin’s dialogue and Gerard’s own later dialogue supports that.

Aka what I’m saying: Oetsu did kill Gerard with his one shot ability but Gerard didn’t activate his Schrift. That’s the only point I’m making. I’m indifferent about Pernida as his ability works completely different from Gerard, it’s biology/regeneration based

Nothing supports your claim.
You are just repeating same thing instead of addressing why gerard won't activate it if it was active ability to begin with.

 

[Jo-Smooth]

Nothing supports your claim.
You are just repeating same thing instead of addressing why gerard won't activate it if it was active ability to begin with.

2 ways to go about it.

First way:
1.) He just didn’t activate it . The reason could be anything. Arrogance, killed before activation, PIS….I don’t really need to explain why he didn’t activate if him and another SS member both heavily imply he first activated it later on and not during that moment

Second way:
2.) The conditions for its activation weren’t met as heavily implied by his dialogue. Aka he couldn’t activate it earlier because the circumstances wouldn’t qualify as a ‘Miracle’

I don’t mean to take up space with the images but I posted the links before and idk if you saw them cuz it doesn’t seem like you did

 

[Adam1396]

2 ways to go about it.

First way:
1.) He just didn’t activate it . The reason could be anything. Arrogance, killed before activation, PIS….I don’t really need to explain why he didn’t activate if him and another SS member both heavily imply he first activated it later on and not during that moment

Second way:
2.) The conditions for its activation weren’t met as heavily implied by his dialogue. Aka he couldn’t activate it earlier because the circumstances wouldn’t qualify as a ‘Miracle’

I don’t mean to take up space with the images but I posted the links before and idk if you saw them cuz it doesn’t seem like you did

1. You have to provide reason tf. None of them implies such lmfao.
Even if they didn’t know full extent of SZ power, they were sure about them being greater force than gotei. And you saying he chose not to activate it when facing such opponents. Laughable.

2. None of these implies he needs some specific condition. Even the head canon condition you are suggesting implies it's passive. But somehow his death isn’t a crisis?

You failed to address any key issues while all yoir arguments contradicts the narrative.
Please refrain from derailing the thread or otherwise you gonna be reported.

 

[Jo-Smooth]

1. You have to provide reason tf. None of them implies such lmfao.
Even if they didn’t know full extent of SZ power, they were sure about them being greater force than gotei. And you saying he chose not to activate it when facing such opponents. Laughable.

I don’t. If Kubo didn’t provide such reasoning yet had characters state Gerard didn’t activate his Schrift until a later battle, then the reasoning for him not activating it isn’t as important to the argument as the fact of us being told he didn’t activate it. That’s like it being stated that Yhwach has access to all the schrifts and other abilities of people who died in the war but then asking why he didn’t use them against Ichigo and Aizen. We don’t know the reason, and it isn’t important as we know he didn’t activate those abilities. The reason isn’t relevant to the fact that he didn’t use them.

2. None of these implies he needs some specific condition. Even the head canon condition you are suggesting implies it's passive. But somehow his death isn’t a crisis?

Did you not read what he said constitutes as a Miracle? As I’ve explained before, he was an advantageous position against Squad 0 and a disadvantageous position against the Gotei.

You failed to address any key issues while all yoir arguments contradicts the narrative.
Please refrain from derailing the thread or otherwise you gonna be reported.

Go ahead and report me

 

[Adam1396]

@Johner2133451 @Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye @ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn @ReaperAndBlues can we get this judged. I don’t think we are allowed to tag stuffs