Ocelot dodging a laser

[Vforvictory7]

Metal Gear RAY dodges REX' laser

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Does anyone know why this calc doesn't upgrade ocelot or Ray?

 

[Chariot190]

Lots of issues.
They might not actually be dodging it (in game the beam has a charge effect where the beam basically laser points first, then once fired it shoots an actual damaging beam, think of it like the guardian in Zelda botw, except both beams semm to be instant in this case). So we'd need to double check if he's even dodging it.

And 2, would be a huge outlier when dudes like Gray Fox and Snake get hit scanned (in a cutscenes for the former), by that EXACT same beam. Because Ocelot isn't exactly a whole blitz above Gray Fox in speed.

 

[Vforvictory7]

Lots of issues.
They might not actually be dodging it (in game the beam has a charge effect where the beam basically laser points first, then once fired it shoots an actual damaging beam, think of it like the guardian in Zelda botw, except both beams semm to be instant in this case). So we'd need to double check if he's even dodging it.

And 2, would be a huge outlier when dudes like Gray Fox and Snake get hit scanned (in a cutscenes for the former), by that EXACT same beam. Because Ocelot isn't exactly a whole blitz above Gray Fox in speed.

Gray fox was in the air and couldn't dodge rexs laser and when was solid ever hitscanned by rexes laser?

 

[Chariot190]

Gray Fox being in the air doesn't change the fact he was hitscanned and he could in fact dodge it, he only needed to move his arm or pivot his torso a bit.
It blitzed him, hard, doubly so given compared to his own flip movement the beam is still instant while his flip is slowed down to a crawl.

And the fight itself, the beam is instant, hit scan, not even bullets in MGS1 are hit scan, you can actually dodge those. But that beam goes from point A to B in an instant, Snake can't avoid it.

Maybe it could scale to RAY, but only if we can confirm the feat is even happening the way it's implicated to begin with, but scaling to Snake and lads is a no go, they're pretty well into MHS, though they ain't exactly statuing MHS things either (For example Venom can't statue Sahel's railgun, he can dodge it though).

 

[Vforvictory7]

Gray Fox being in the air doesn't change the fact he was hitscanned and he could in fact dodge it, he only needed to move his arm or pivot his torso a bit.
It blitzed him, hard, doubly so given compared to his own flip movement the beam is still instant while his flip is slowed down to a crawl.

And the fight itself, the beam is instant, hit scan, not even bullets in MGS1 are hit scan, you can actually dodge those. But that beam goes from point A to B in an instant, Snake can't avoid it.

Maybe it could scale to RAY, but only if we can confirm the feat is even happening the way it's implicated to begin with, but scaling to Snake and lads is a no go, they're pretty well into MHS, though they ain't exactly statuing MHS things either (For example Venom can't statue Sahel's railgun, he can dodge it though).

If it could scale to Ray then it has to scale to ocelot there's no reason why ocelot shouldn't get the scaling and what do you mean by snake and lads? This would only apply to snake and ocelot

 

[Chariot190]

And that would be precisely why it isn't used.

If it scales to RAY it just scale to Ocelot, but it's an outlier for Ocelot, so it doesn't scale to either.

Dude, it'd scale to Snake, Ocelot, and then Raiden, Solidus, Big Boss, Vamp, the whole of the BB Corp, probably Psycho Mantis, and likely Gray Fox.
At minimum. Old Snake ain't exactly in his prime anymore, lots of dudes scale to him in speed..

 

[Vforvictory7]

And that would be precisely why it isn't used.

If it scales to RAY it just scale to Ocelot, but it's an outlier for Ocelot, so it doesn't scale to either.

Dude, it'd scale to Snake, Ocelot, and then Raiden, Solidus, Big Boss, Vamp, the whole of the BB Corp, probably Psycho Mantis, and likely Gray Fox.
At minimum. Old Snake ain't exactly in his prime anymore, lots of dudes scale to him in speed..

Big boss? Psycho Mantis? How do they scale to mgs4 solid at all?

 

[Chariot190]

Psycho Mantis' ghost is there, but he scales because this feat scales to Snake which then scales to MGS1 Snake, and Big Boss literally disarms Snake at the end in a quick burst (a dying Big Boss at that) something Snake very much didn't want to happen, and absolutely wouldn't have let happened if he was 2000x faster. Also literally a clone who's only as fast as he is because he has BB's genetics.

But then we also have it scaling to Vamp, who scales to MGS2 Raiden, who scales to Solidus, who scales to Big Boss anyway.

And as mentioned, Snake in MGS4 isn't exactly faster than prior games, if anything he's slower and barely even functioning, hell he needs a muscle suit just to replicate his past strength let alone speed.

And then as said, there's Ocelot, who scales to MGS1 Snake, who in turn scales to a bunch of other dudes.

If the feat happened in MGS2 it could be handwaved as growth, but 4? Impossible, it scales to basically everyone worth a damn, especially as Vamp and Raiden get direct scaling to it and it ain't like Vamp has gotten faster between 2 and 4.

 

[Vforvictory7]

I can see so many flaws in this reasoning and I'm not bothered to give the evidence right now as it's late but I'll debunk some points that I don't have to research as much
Vamp scaling to mgs 2 raiden? Seirously? What logic does that make? Mgs 4 vamp who can fight equally with mgs 4 raiden scales to mgs 2 raiden? Great logic there
And I ran out of time and its really late now so I'll debunk these points tomorrow

 

[Chariot190]

Dude, it scales to literally ******* everyone just about it, pretending it doesn't is absolutely asinine.

Unless you think Snake is thousands of times faster than Vamp, Raiden (he isn't, they both scale directly, even frog units scale to Snake, which Raiden can kill), which in turn then scales to the whole cast of MGS2 just about, which lo and behold scales to MGS1 and Big Boss via Solidus and so on.
It's basic scaling, especially as Snake JUST finished fighting Vamp (who btw can dodge Snake's attacks).

Vamp scaling to mgs 2 raiden? Seirously?

How about the fact MGS2 Raiden can dodge his blows, tag him, and even react to his knife attacks, with codecs pointing out said fact?

What logic does that make?

It makes basic common sense unless you just want to pretend it didn't happen lmao..

Mgs 4 vamp who can fight equally with mgs 4 raiden scales to mgs 2 raiden? Great logic there

Yeah? It's never once stated Raiden got a huge speed amp, you realize that right? He's stronger, more durable, and can perform inhuman feats, but he's not a million times faster, if he was he'd be blitzing Vamp, and he'd be blitzing Frog Units, who in turn scales to Snake, who, by the way, other characters can react to, like Meryl or Johnny.

There is no way on earth to say it just scales to Snake and Ocelot, the fact it scales to Vamp backscales it to the whole verse, and even in game we have shit like Big Momma taking down flyers, we have Johnny who scales to MGS1 downscaling off frogs, etc.
And Ocelot, why the hell would Ocelot be magically millions of times faster too?

 

[Chariot190]

Not to mention that the feat would SCALE TO REX AND RAY

Aka the mechas MGS1 Snake and MGS2 Raiden fought,with Raiden having fought AI controlled ones so human error isn't a factor.

Shit scales to basically everything bruddah.

 

[Vforvictory7]

Back imma start writing the debunk

 

[Chariot190]

Actually don't bother lad.
Do yourself better and find a statement that says Old Snake (And Ocelot) got way the **** faster, that's the only thing that's going to give this feat even the slightest bit of credibility.

 

[Vforvictory7]

Actually don't bother lad.
Do yourself better and find a statement that says Old Snake (And Ocelot) got way the **** faster, that's the only thing that's going to give this feat even the slightest bit of credibility.

Yeah ok I will I'll find some evidence