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Just wondering, shouldn't void manipulation and existence erasure be added to Zenos page already? He's been stated to and has shown it
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Obvious Zeno ability
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If you mean destroying Zamasu for that, that's just (for lack of a better word) destroying a universe. If that is void manipulation and/or existence erasure, then every tier 2 would have it, and it wouldn't be a hax tier 2 ability.
Though, now that I think about it, he did kill a soul, though said soul was the universe itself, which would lead back to my first point.
Though, now that I think about it, he did kill a soul, though said soul was the universe itself, which would lead back to my first point.
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I am not quite sure. I brought this up because, yes, he ERASED a soul and timeline and because he has been stated to be able to erase "Evil-doers, planets, galaxies, universe and entire worlds" Considering Whis was the one who stated it for Zeno, and is the one who stated Beerus can "Haki" anyone, even ghosts, it wouldn't be a stretch to say Zeno can do it at a much higher scale than Beerus
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@Goku. That also did cross my mind, the comparable to Beerus thing.
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@huestio Yes, even though they added that he can harm intangible beings
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Well beerus's hakai is most likely an ability only the gods of destruction posses but Zeno can likely do it do from the way whis described it.
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disagree for reasons above
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@Anime. @Pachi2 Lol, it has been implied multiple times by Whis and Beerus
"If the omni-king wanted to, he could erase all 12 universes in the blink of an eye"
"The omni-king can ERASE evil-doers obviously, planets, galaxies, and even universes. If he wanted to, he could ERASE the entire world"
Whis is also the one that stated that there is nothing Beerus cannot destroy
The fact that Whis has hyped up both Beerus and Zeno is proof.
"If the omni-king wanted to, he could erase all 12 universes in the blink of an eye"
"The omni-king can ERASE evil-doers obviously, planets, galaxies, and even universes. If he wanted to, he could ERASE the entire world"
Whis is also the one that stated that there is nothing Beerus cannot destroy
The fact that Whis has hyped up both Beerus and Zeno is proof.
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Gokuiscool144 said:
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@Real
Trunks hyping up the androids came true, they dominated the Z fighters right? Frieza came back and would have won if he trained well. Whis hyped up both Beerus and Zeno and their abilities were later shown. Whis this time STATES he will go to the new timeline to contact Beerus. Tell me, what other POSSIBLE way will Whis go to the timeline and fix the Zamasu problem? And either way it is going to be added to his profile. Everything he said has been accurate apart from His Zamasu prediction.
"Whis is also the one etc" NFL?
Erase means Erase. If it were destroy, he would have said so. For Beerus he says destroy and for Zeno he says ERASE.
This is just like the argument where people here thought world only referred to the planet.
Trunks hyping up the androids came true, they dominated the Z fighters right? Frieza came back and would have won if he trained well. Whis hyped up both Beerus and Zeno and their abilities were later shown. Whis this time STATES he will go to the new timeline to contact Beerus. Tell me, what other POSSIBLE way will Whis go to the timeline and fix the Zamasu problem? And either way it is going to be added to his profile. Everything he said has been accurate apart from His Zamasu prediction.
"Whis is also the one etc" NFL?
Erase means Erase. If it were destroy, he would have said so. For Beerus he says destroy and for Zeno he says ERASE.
This is just like the argument where people here thought world only referred to the planet.
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This. So much of this
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To back up what I was saying
"I shall go to that future" (referring to the one created by Beerus when he destroyed Zamasu)
"And go to Beerus before he vanishes due to Supreme kais death"
He clearly says I "I will go to the future"
What other proof is there to give?
RIP: ^Wrong thread. But yeah, it is already on the void manipulation page that he has the ability
"I shall go to that future" (referring to the one created by Beerus when he destroyed Zamasu)
"And go to Beerus before he vanishes due to Supreme kais death"
He clearly says I "I will go to the future"
What other proof is there to give?
RIP: ^Wrong thread. But yeah, it is already on the void manipulation page that he has the ability
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If Zeno doesn't have void manipulation then why did a user of staff member put him on the list of people who have it. Don't believe me? go look on the void manipulation page his name is there. Someone should take it off of there since he aparently doesn't have it.
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zeno does has void manipulation if beerus has it why zeno wouldnt
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Not only that, Spatial manipulation/ and or Reality warping is going to be added to his profile soonBeerus1000 said:
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@Griffin. Zen'o having void manipulation was added when he was nothing but hype back in October, and the only thing known about him was that "He could erase all 12 universes from existence." I have removed it. Also, @Beerus. We don't powerscale abilities unless under specific circumstances (i.e. Arceus and the Creation Trio, Galactus and his Heralds). Dragon Ball doesn't fall under said circumstance.
@Goku. That it will.
@Goku. That it will.
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I think it might be possible for Zen'ō to have a resistence to Void Manipulation at least. Since Beerus is utterly helpless against Zen'ō thus likely shouldn't have a technique able to one shot him. Though that is perhaps too speculative.
I do agree with not powerscaling the abilities or giving Zen'ō full on VM.
I do agree with not powerscaling the abilities or giving Zen'ō full on VM.
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Can you add portal creation to Daishinkans profile since pretty much everyone agrees with it.The real cal howard said:
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@Ryu. I might agree in this case. Though that would be giving Yukari resistance to all the bs in Touhou because she is supposed to be above a serious majority of them.
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Well Yukari isn't a supreme being within Touhou with no one except literally herself being at all comparable to her. And Beerus explicitly is completely helpless against Zen'ō and in all likelyhood should not be able to one shot him under any circumstance. However it might still be too speculative here.
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@Goku. Task accomplished.
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It's likely that Zen'o is immune to Tier 3 Void Manipulation via being Tier 2 y'know...
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He's a 3-D being with 4-D powers. He doesn't necessarily have an immunity to 3-D hax. Technically, Kirby and non-Low2C Seiya can take down Zeno due to him not being higher dimensional and being faster, so it is still on the table for resistance.
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Actually now that I think about it, I have a question regarding Zeno's supposed Spatial Manipulation and/or Reality Warping. Im not disagreeing with it or anything, its just that something occured to me but im not sure if its a valid point or not.
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And that is?ProfessorKukui4Life said:
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Now I've brought this up already and some of you have/havent seen it so please don't refrute it as I know I am repeating it.
Instead of Zen'o having either hax ability, wouldnt he being, well, tier 2 alone be capable of doing what he did and not even need to use either hax ability? After all, to start with, Zeno is a Multi-Universe Level Tier 2 character. Playing with Planets like that would be obvious childsplay for him, and well, any tier 2. Not only that, but Zeno also has Multi-Universe Level Striking Strength as well. If im right, Zen'o wouldn't likely need to have Spatial Manipulation or Reality Warping to bend the planets as him having Multi-Universe Level Tier 2 strength alone, which is infinitely higher than anything below its tier, would be able to do something such as that to a planet. And this isnt the first time something like this has happened.
For example, take Dialga and Palkia, whom are also tier 2. They have feats of being able to warp Time and Space across different Universes/Dimensions just by physically clashing with each other. They dont even need to use their Time/Space hax, there physical clashing by itself was effecting the very things they themselves govern. And not only are they tier 2, but they also have immeasurable strength (not saying they cant use time/space hax its just that in this case they didnt need it as much).
So my point is, instead of Zen'o having those abilities, him pitting his Multi-Universe Level strength against a mere planet should surely bring about those kinds of bending effects as his strength is infinitely beyond any level a planet can be or survive at. And since Zeno's strength can already destroy Space-Time, a heavy requirement for being tier 2, this justifiies it even more.
Now im not saying he doesnt or cannot have those abilities. I just assumed that pitting strength coming from an infinitely higher tier against somerthing from an infinitely lower tier would result in those bending effects happening. If im wrong then I am wrong and will own up to it.
Instead of Zen'o having either hax ability, wouldnt he being, well, tier 2 alone be capable of doing what he did and not even need to use either hax ability? After all, to start with, Zeno is a Multi-Universe Level Tier 2 character. Playing with Planets like that would be obvious childsplay for him, and well, any tier 2. Not only that, but Zeno also has Multi-Universe Level Striking Strength as well. If im right, Zen'o wouldn't likely need to have Spatial Manipulation or Reality Warping to bend the planets as him having Multi-Universe Level Tier 2 strength alone, which is infinitely higher than anything below its tier, would be able to do something such as that to a planet. And this isnt the first time something like this has happened.
For example, take Dialga and Palkia, whom are also tier 2. They have feats of being able to warp Time and Space across different Universes/Dimensions just by physically clashing with each other. They dont even need to use their Time/Space hax, there physical clashing by itself was effecting the very things they themselves govern. And not only are they tier 2, but they also have immeasurable strength (not saying they cant use time/space hax its just that in this case they didnt need it as much).
So my point is, instead of Zen'o having those abilities, him pitting his Multi-Universe Level strength against a mere planet should surely bring about those kinds of bending effects as his strength is infinitely beyond any level a planet can be or survive at. And since Zeno's strength can already destroy Space-Time, a heavy requirement for being tier 2, this justifiies it even more.
Now im not saying he doesnt or cannot have those abilities. I just assumed that pitting strength coming from an infinitely higher tier against somerthing from an infinitely lower tier would result in those bending effects happening. If im wrong then I am wrong and will own up to it.
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The difference between zeno and a regular tier 2 is, that he has no hax on the level of what an average tier 2 should, you're making an assumption that doesn't hold true for him. For an ordinary tier 2 moving or destroying planets with a thought is childs play for them, heck doing the same to a universe/universes would be childs play for them.
What zeno has showcased here isn't a result of him being so far above planet level, zeno isn't a higher dimensionsal being, you're thought would hold true if he was, he is just a 3-D being with 4-D power.
In otherwords what zeno did is something any tier 2 can do and to a larger scale and it's usual cause they are tier 2 and would usually be like 4-D beings and has such have abilities like reality warping on a universal scale, zeno doesn't have that.
What he has shown really isn't impressive or noteworthy for what a tier 2 should be capable of doing, of course it should be on his profile, but such an ability woudn't help him in a vs match because of how low tier it is, compared to what an average tier 2 can do.
What zeno has showcased here isn't a result of him being so far above planet level, zeno isn't a higher dimensionsal being, you're thought would hold true if he was, he is just a 3-D being with 4-D power.
In otherwords what zeno did is something any tier 2 can do and to a larger scale and it's usual cause they are tier 2 and would usually be like 4-D beings and has such have abilities like reality warping on a universal scale, zeno doesn't have that.
What he has shown really isn't impressive or noteworthy for what a tier 2 should be capable of doing, of course it should be on his profile, but such an ability woudn't help him in a vs match because of how low tier it is, compared to what an average tier 2 can do.
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CP is entirely right. @Kukui. The comparison you made was flawed when you used Dialga and Palkia. Considering the amount of hax they have, and being time and space themselves, kinda makes that normal.
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Ahhh I see where I went wrong. Okay I take it back. Thank you for clarifying that to me.
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