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Number 1 Hero VS King of Ants

Both of them scale to baseline 7-A+ so this is an endurance match and I think enji has it on lock down. He’s hand his face ripped open and been impaled multiple times during a fight against someone he was equal to (v hood) and he get thrown slammed pierced again by someone superior to him (AFO Tomura).

The other reason I call this an endurance match is because Meruem just seems to die after a few minutes if I read his profile correctly?
 
Acer__ said:
Both of them scale to baseline 7-A+ so this is an endurance match and I think enji has it on lock down. He’s hand his face ripped open and been impaled multiple times during a fight against someone he was equal to (v hood) and he get thrown slammed pierced again by someone superior to him (AFO Tomura).

The other reason I call this an endurance match is because Meruem just seems to die after a few minutes if I read his profile correctly?
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That’s post rose bomb Meruem and I am using pre rose bomb Meruem
 
This match can't be added to the profile, we all know that right? Just wanting to make sure no one thinks otherwise, that's all.

"It is not fine to restrict abilities in a versus matchup, implicitly or expressly. Matches that are arranged this way should not be added to the character profiles, as they don't involve their full potential, and are only intended for casual entertainment. An exception would be if the restricted ability/technique has a separate tier from the main one, and is one the character can consciously restrict themselves from using. In this case, the match can be added. The match can also be added if Optional Equipments such as optional power-ups and items are restricted, or if the ability being restricted is indexed after a "Likely" or "Possibly" conditional."

I don't know what Nen Crush is, but I assume it's a property of the verse's power which would allow Meruem to instantly win correct.

Can someone tell me, what does restricting this Nen Crush do?
 
I've been told Nen Crush basically the verse's equivalent to Reiatsu Crush as far as I have heard, with it, Meruem essentially wins at the start without moving a muscle.
 
TheRustyOne said:
This match can't be added to the profile, we all know that right? Just wanting to make sure no one thinks otherwise, that's all.

"It is not fine to restrict abilities in a versus matchup, implicitly or expressly. Matches that are arranged this way should not be added to the character profiles, as they don't involve their full potential, and are only intended for casual entertainment. An exception would be if the restricted ability/technique has a separate tier from the main one, and is one the character can consciously restrict themselves from using. In this case, the match can be added. The match can also be added if Optional Equipments such as optional power-ups and items are restricted, or if the ability being restricted is indexed after a "Likely" or "Possibly" conditional."

I don't know what Nen Crush is, but I assume it's a property of the verse's power which would allow Meruem to instantly win correct.

Can someone tell me, what does restricting this Nen Crush do?
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If I’m correct prolonged exposure to it causes paralysis fear madness and death, from what I’ve heard it’s similar to how people wank the hell out of KNY Battle auras, as it doesn’t happen immediately and takes awhile to fully take effect
 
I mean from what I hear and read about Reiatsu/Nen, it is legitimately just what KNY Battle Auras are wanked out to be
 
So is his madness manipulation apart of this Nen? His profile states he made someone age 100 years and hallucinate, despite having resistance from what I'm reading?

Also Meruem has resistance to magma, which means he can deal with high heat to some extent. He also has precog as well it seems, along with superior ranged attacks. Tens of Kilometers vs Hundreds of meters. This doesn't seem like an easy fight like people are suggesting, unless I'm missing something.

It was mentioned that he can only last a few minutes or something? I don't want to make judgements, so what is that about?
 
TheRustyOne said:
It was mentioned that he can only last a few minutes or something? I don't want to make judgements, so what is that about?
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in this key Meruem survived the Rose Bomb, a super explosion, that nearly killed him, however the Bomb was also super poisonous, and Meruem after some time the excat time i don't know will die because of the poison
 
TheRustyOne said:
It was mentioned that he can only last a few minutes or something? I don't want to make judgements, so what is that about?
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Post Rose Bomb he’s poisoned enough to bypass any resistance he could possibly have, and will kill him as the fight goes on
 
TheRustyOne said:
So is his madness manipulation apart of this Nen? His profile states he made someone age 100 years and hallucinate, despite having resistance from what I'm reading?

Also Meruem has resistance to magma, which means he can deal with high heat to some extent. He also has precog as well it seems, along with superior ranged attacks. Tens of Kilometers vs Hundreds of meters. This doesn't seem like an easy fight like people are suggesting, unless I'm missing something.
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My entire idea was that endeavor could wait this out because of the poisoning, he’s taken a lot of blows and I don’t think meruem range spams (I’ve only read threads).

Also Endeavour has his own “resistance” (not stated on his profile but given that he felt no fear from Shigaraki outside of knowing he’s as strong as all might despite him causing hallucinations of death and decay from his presence alone, I think he’d last for at least a bit)
 
Why can't Meruem just... pressure point strike the dude, and just kill him from there? I don't recall Ende being as skilled as Meruem, like at all.
Insert_creative_name_here_12 said:
HxH characters don’t even Nen Crush in character. Meruem prefers to just kill people physically.
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Bruh, the mere activation of their nen cockblocks anyone who fights against them. Anyone who is in that nen range get feared to oblivion, and he scales above Pitou or pouf, who fear maniped a dude who has resistance to fear manip. And considering they are both willing to kill, then he sure as hell will activate his nen.
 
Rikimarox2 said:
Why can't Meruem just... pressure point strike the dude, and just kill him from there? I don't recall Ende being as skilled as Meruem, like at all.
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Endeavor fights from a range against an opponent. We see that against Hood and Shigaraki the only times he goes for melee strikes is either when it’s the better alternative or their off guard. Endeavor is skilled in combat he’s got decades of experience under his belt with multiple different types of villains, he may not be as skilled but not to the point where he can just be taken out in one interaction
 
And if he wants to end the fight quickly (which he does against people equal to him) he uses prominence burn which is much hotter then the kurenos laser S&S used (which can reach 1000000 degrees C if we go off of real world lasers), and the Kurenos laser ripped skin and muscle (to the bone in some places) off of Shigaraki and he only survived because of his super regeneration.
 
Rikimarox2 said:
Why can't Meruem just... pressure point strike the dude, and just kill him from there? I don't recall Ende being as skilled as Meruem, like at all.

Bruh, the mere activation of their nen cockblocks anyone who fights against them. Anyone who is in that nen range get feared to oblivion, and he scales above Pitou or pouf, who fear maniped a dude who has resistance to fear manip. And considering they are both willing to kill, then he sure as hell will activate his nen.
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Dude Meruem literally chose to physically kill everyone he’s gone against rather than Nen Crush. Hunters literally fight Nenless ants and don’t crush them.

Meruem isn’t getting through flames that ignore dura and burn people as strong as Meruem
 
Okay so i see people keep telling HxH don't use Nen crush in-character even though that shit is like the most basic thing they need to learnt first. Allow me to explain what is Nen crush actually is:

The actual name of Nen crush come from Ren, one of the four basic techniques which allow the user to enhances all of their physical capabilities, using Ren will send bloodlust into enemy causing various of status like intense fear, paralysis, and potentially madness to those who are explosed to it.

Now here is the thing, all Nen users have to learnt these techniques and doing it step-by-step. The progress is shown in first video, Wing concentrate his nen, focus it in one point, enhance his nen (when his aura solidify), then project it outward. Eventually, all Nen users would be able to doing it normally as they were breathing.

Let take this scene for example, Killua using releasing Nen in the form of electricity (Hatsu) which mean he's must have go through Ren phase first. You could argue that the other guy wasn't affected, but that could just simply because Killa are showing off his ability so there is no need to inject bloodlust along or that guy can use Nen as well.

Likewise, i will address the argument about Meruem choose to kill everyone physically above. It's only half true because Pre-Rose Meruem doesn't have Shaia and Menthu abilities yet, but he will and definitely use Nen in a fight (here is how he use it in manga btw). Also, Meruem still give off fearful aura even when he's not bloodlust or anything, he was pretty much a pacifist after Rose bomb (the third video).

For comparison, Neferpitou basically make Rammot and Pokkle absolutely terrified on her birth and both were capable of using Nen as well. She was capable of extending her Nen two kilometers wide; Knov during his inspection only seen a glimpse of her aura but his mind got completely broke by fear. Meruem is a league above the royal guards in every possible ways.

Btw, after Rammot awoken his Ren other ants followed his footstep. Those ants we've seen later have acquired Nen abilities, even if the majority of them don't show off their abilities the fact that they're willing to face off against Nen users speak for themselves.
 
Jamesthetaker said:
Okay so i see people keep telling HxH don't use Nen crush in-character even though that shit is like the most basic thing they need to learnt first. Allow me to explain what is Nen crush actually is:

The actual name of Nen crush come from Ren, one of the four basic techniques which allow the user to enhances all of their physical capabilities, using Ren will send bloodlust into enemy causing various of status like intense fear, paralysis, and potentially madness to those who are explosed to it.

Now here is the thing, all Nen users have to learnt these techniques and doing it step-by-step. The progress is shown in first video, Wing concentrate his nen, focus it in one point, enhance his nen (when his aura solidify), then project it outward. Eventually, all Nen users would be able to doing it normally as they were breathing.

Let take this scene for example, Killua using releasing Nen in the form of electricity (Hatsu) which mean he's must have go through Ren phase first. You could argue that the other guy wasn't affected, but that could just simply because Killa are showing off his ability so there is no need to inject bloodlust along or that guy can use Nen as well.

Likewise, i will address the argument about Meruem choose to kill everyone physically above. It's only half true because Pre-Rose Meruem doesn't have Shaia and Menthu abilities yet, but he will and definitely use Nen in a fight (here is how he use it in manga btw). Also, Meruem still give off fearful aura even when he's not bloodlust or anything, he was pretty much a pacifist after Rose bomb (the third video).

For comparison, Neferpitou basically make Rammot and Pokkle absolutely terrified on her birth and both were capable of using Nen as well. She was capable of extending her Nen two kilometers wide; Knov during his inspection only seen a glimpse of her aura but his mind got completely broke by fear. Meruem is a league above the royal guards in every possible ways.

Btw, after Rammot awoken his Ren other ants followed his footstep. Those ants we've seen later have acquired Nen abilities, even if the majority of them don't show off their abilities the fact that they're willing to face off against Nen users speak for themselves.
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So how do you explain Rammot not getting any fear from Gon and Killua when they first fought? Or Yunju vs Kite? Or the fight against Hagya’s squad. Nen Crush is either not a passive thing or takes time to kick in on stronger foes.
 
Insert_creative_name_here_12 said:
So how do you explain Rammot not getting any fear from Gon and Killua when they first fought? Or Yunju vs Kite? Or the fight against Hagya’s squad. Nen Crush is either not a passive thing or takes time to kick in on stronger foes.
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You known, inconsistent happened in those fights. The examples i've brought counter them because it shown that even Nen users like Gon and Killua alway turn on their Nen to enhance physical capbilities or using their abilities. While advanced users like Neferpitou passively activate Nen crush when she just born and not in the mind set of killing.

Likewise, Meruem are the one we're debate about so his demonstration of Nen crush are most relevance. If anything, Neferpitou aura is the closest comparison to him in this case.
 
Jamesthetaker said:
You known, inconsistent happened in those fights. The examples i've brought counter them because it shown that even Nen users like Gon and Killua alway turn on their Nen to enhance physical capbilities or using their abilities. While advanced users like Neferpitou passively activate Nen crush when she just born and not in the mind set of killing.

Likewise, Meruem are the one we're debate about so his demonstration of Nen crush are most relevance. If anything, Neferpitou aura is the closest comparison to him in this case.
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Knov seems to be just weak willed as numerous others like Gon, Killua, Morel and Kite sustain being in Pitou’s or other RG ant’s presence no problem. Heck normal Nenless humans like Bizeff or Komugi lived in the presence of that En for extended periods of time no problem.

Meruem has no known feats of passive Nen Crush.
 
Insert_creative_name_here_12 said:
Knov seems to be just weak willed as numerous others like Gon, Killua, Morel and Kite sustain being in Pitou’s or other RG ant’s presence no problem. Heck normal Nenless humans like Bizeff or Komugi lived in the presence of that En for extended periods of time no problem.

Meruem has no known feats of passive Nen Crush.
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Knov being weak willed is no counter argument to him not able to use Ten which is the basic thing to defense against Nen crush. Endeavor has no resistance to such thing so the result would actually be even worse.

Komugi and Bizeff not affected by Nen crush is because they are important figures to the Ants. Komugi are ordered to not be harmed by Meruem, Bizeff are left alive to handle political stuff.

I have already explained the whole thing about Nen users use Ren normally like breathing on daily basis. The most downplayed is Nen users need to activate them via thought.
 
Jamesthetaker said:
Knov being weak willed is no counter argument to him not able to use Ten which is the basic thing to defense against Nen crush. Endeavor has no resistance to such thing so the result would actually be even worse.

Komugi and Bizeff not affected by Nen crush is because they are important figures to the Ants. Komugi are ordered to not be harmed by Meruem, Bizeff are left alive to handle political stuff.

I have already explained the whole thing about Nen users use Ren normally like breathing on daily basis. The most downplayed is Nen users need to activate them via thought.
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We have several instances of people without Ten or even knowledge of Nen not getting crushed. Once again the numerous ants without Nen fought in the Chimera ant arc. If your argument is outlier there are more instances of people not feeling the effects of Nen such as madness and the like than there are of them being affected by it.

Oh so it isn’t passive?

Dude there aren’t any instances of passive Nen Crush. We even have several instances of people without Nen not getting crushed. So it’s either these characters choose not to use it, the effects take a while to kick in on stronger foes or it just doesn’t work.
 
Passive as in, it's always active? **** no. The literal first instance of it with Hisoka stated that it happened just because he thought of it. But the moment anyone uses their nen, it will always be active for the duration of the fight.


Also if ur argument is actually just discarding ******* nen crush becuz you think it doesn't make sense, then you have to first get it removed from the God damn profiles. Go make a CRT for it if you wanna remove it.

As it stands right now, Nen Crush works on people without nen. If you wanna change it, make a CRT.
 
Rikimarox2 said:
Passive as in, it's always active? **** no. The literal first instance of it with Hisoka stated that it happened just because he thought of it. But the moment anyone uses their nen, it will always be active for the duration of the fight.
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That still doesn’t explain the several fights where it doesn’t kick in. The only explanation is it takes time to kick in or they just aren’t applying the effects to their opponents.
 
Insert_creative_name_here_12 said:
We have several instances of people without Ten or even knowledge of Nen not getting crushed. Once again the numerous ants without Nen fought in the Chimera ant arc. If your argument is outlier there are more instances of people not feeling the effects of Nen such as madness and the like than there are of them being affected by it.

Oh so it isn’t passive?

Dude there aren’t any instances of passive Nen Crush. We even have several instances of people without Nen not getting crushed. So it’s either these characters choose not to use it, the effects take a while to kick in on stronger foes or it just doesn’t work.
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The instances where Ants not getting crushed are beginning of the arc, which is likely inconsistent, after Meruem are born and the majority of them leaving the nest we've seen even fodders having Nen abilities.

There is only two situation where Nen crush not working, either the character choose not to or the author forgot. Several inconsistent does not debunk the whole system built to explain what is Nen is. In this case, we are talking about a character who has released his aura multiple times and is the perfect example to demonstrate how Nen crush work.

Neferpitou made Rammot scared shitless on her birth, Hisoka made Gon and Killua paralyzed in place. I don't know what kind of headcanon you're pulling from but it's clearly that it doesn't take one second for Nen crush to come working.
 
Jamesthetaker said:
The instances where Ants not getting crushed are beginning of the arc, which is likely inconsistent, after Meruem are born and the majority of them leaving the nest we've seen even fodders having Nen abilities.

There is only two situation where Nen crush not working, either the character choose not to or the author forgot. Several inconsistent does not debunk the whole system built to explain what is Nen is. In this case, we are talking about a character who has released his aura multiple times and is the perfect example to demonstrate how Nen crush work.

Neferpitou made Rammot scared shitless on her birth, Hisoka made Gon and Killua paralyzed in place. I don't know what kind of headcanon you're pulling from but it's clearly that it doesn't take one second for Nen crush to come working.
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If the inconsistency is occurring more then it isn’t an inconsistency it’s more likely what the author intended. Nen Crush isn’t an instant GG.

Only two situations? Gon and Killua vs Rammot, Kite vs Yunju, Gon and Killua Fa Yunju’s lackeys, Vs Hagya’s squad etc

Two instances of quick Nen effects doesn’t beat the more recent and more numerous showings of characters without Nen being unaffected.
 
Insert_creative_name_here_12 said:
If the inconsistency is occurring more then it isn’t an inconsistency it’s more likely what the author intended. Nen Crush isn’t an instant GG.

Only two situations? Gon and Killua vs Rammot, Kite vs Yunju, Gon and Killua Fa Yunju’s lackeys, Vs Hagya’s squad etc

Two instances of quick Nen effects doesn’t beat the more recent and more numerous showings of characters without Nen being unaffected.
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Sorry for late reply, anyways:

You do realized that only those inconsistencies occured less than the numerous examples that i have presented? Likewise, before Chimera Ants arc we've always seen people without Nen being affected [1], with Genthru being exceptional. Those inconsistencies are underwhelming compared to tons of demonstration of Nen crushes.

Let me remind you again about the basic fundamental of Nen Crush are done step-by-step which mean Nen users literally can't skip any steps, and the result is always sending their Nen outside whether to enhanced physical stats or using their ability.

You claim Nen Crush isn't instant effect? That is correct..... if Endeavor even has resistance to it in first place. Even those with Ten barely stance in the same air with Neferpitou or Meruem.

This is Meruem we're talking about yeah? He has uses Nen Crush right when the battle start as well and there is no reason for him to not do it now.
 
Jamesthetaker said:
Sorry for late reply, anyways:

You do realized that only those inconsistencies occured less than the numerous examples that i have presented? Likewise, before Chimera Ants arc we've always seen people without Nen being affected [1], with Genthru being exceptional. Those inconsistencies are underwhelming compared to tons of demonstration of Nen crushes.

Let me remind you again about the basic fundamental of Nen Crush are done step-by-step which mean Nen users literally can't skip any steps, and the result is always sending their Nen outside whether to enhanced physical stats or using their ability.

You claim Nen Crush isn't instant effect? That is correct..... if Endeavor even has resistance to it in first place. Even those with Ten barely stance in the same air with Neferpitou or Meruem.

This is Meruem we're talking about yeah? He has uses Nen Crush right when the battle start as well and there is no reason for him to not do it now.
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Gon, Killua, and basically everyone on the raid team stood and breathed the same air as these ants no issue.

Let me re iterate my point to be a bit more clear when I said it isn’t an instantaneous effect and instant GG I meant the madness and more dangerous stuff won’t kick in right away.

It’s funny you bring up Meruem intimidating Netero then ignore that Netero wasn’t affected for the remainder of the battle. If Meruem could just Nen Crush him quickly then why didn’t he? Why did he choose to fight normally? Why did the fear and everything suddenly cease for the rest of the fight.
 
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