Now beyonder should be 1-A

[Zeldafanfare]

So I read the Marvel with infinite dimensions thread, and since it concluded I think that Beyoner should be 1-A (atleast in his realm)

So you might be like, " Ugh not this again more beyonder fanboys grjkbfgb". Hear me out.

So since Marvel has been upgraded to infinite in dimensions, the Beyond realm, which is a multiverse "Beyond all known time,space and the myriad dimensions" (LITERALLY stated in every issue of sec


ret wars II at the top of the first page)


Also, it was repeatedly s


tated/implied that the Beyond realm is this and here is further proof


the scan below is what most people rebuttle with.

Firstly, this is the time he decided to finally take physical form, no more

switching between his energy form and mortal form.

He could easily be referring to his energy form and the evidence

against this is stronger.

this is why I, aswell as others believe he should be made

1-A, atleast within his realm.

 

[Toclosetodeath]

actually he is 1-A , 0 in beyond realm , he is from other multiverse he is a this multiverse , this multivers in omnieverse , omniverse include all multiverses in every fiction . He is god before genesis in beyond realm , he is not infinite demension he is actually this demensions , he TOAA of beyond realm , but TOAA still above cuz he is omnie . So beyonder close to TOAA in Marvel multiverse so he should be 1-A , in beyond realm he actually 0 . At least Other fiction verse < Marvel < Another Fiction verse < Beyond realm [ cuz other multiverses here like drop in ocean ] } Omnieverse [TOAA] , so Beyonder much close to TOAA than any other , in hes realm he is ALL , he not above time he is time , he is space , he is demsions.

Sry for bad eng , i am russian vodka

 

[Toclosetodeath]

And also if Oblivion now 1-A , boyender must be 1-A only cuz he is stronger than all marvel multiverse include oblivion [oblivions demension in marvel multiverse anyway]

 

[Promestein]

He is most definitely not 0 in the Beyond Realm.

 

[Quantu]

^^

No. He is not 0 in his realm. You are either 0 or not, and beyonder isnt. However I agree with zelda beyonder should be 1-A due to his points

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

There is a definite contradiction with the Beyonder. The Beyond-Realm has seemingly 1-A descriptions, but the Beyonder who is the Beyond-Realm has explict High 1-B descriptions.

He is also not Omnipotent. No Tier 0.

 

[Quantu]

He is everything in his realm. That means all the descriptions about the beyond realm refer to him as well.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

But he is High 1-B.

 

[Ryukama]

I agree with Matt. Beyond Realm has a couple 1-A descriptions but he is explicitly referred to as a High 1-B entity. So whichever interpretation is preferred I'm fine with.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

In addition, the Beyonder did not become weaker after leaving the Beyond-Realm. When he returns to the place he explictly mentions that it was 100% empty and formless after he left it. "Without me, it isn't even a place."

 

[Quantu]

^^ don't quit get what you mean but I since he is everything in his realm, and it isn't really a place without him, the descriptions about his realm should describe him as well.

As we established, Marvel is infinite dimensional. Beyonder has literally been stated every time in every issue at the start, as Zelda said to be beyond all time space and myriad dimensions and I even in the scan he posted it says "beyond time space and all dimensions known to any in our universe". Since we established l that LT is infinite dimensional, and is in the universe which beyonder reffered to, he should likely be 1-A imo

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

You miss the point entirely.

He can't be 1-A and High 1-B at the same time.

 

[Quantu]

I see. However since there are points on both sides of the argument, wouldnt it be safe to just say "Likely High 1-B, Possibly 1-A"?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I think this has already been extensively debated before.

But I dunno.

I have no real opinion, just being cautious.

 

[Quantu]

im just waiting for Zeldas opinion before my next move.

 

[Zeldafanfare]

I see. However since there are points on both sides of the argument, wouldnt it be safe to just say "Likely High 1-B, Possibly 1-A"?

i think this is fair

 

[Joseph619]

I support 1-A. While beyonder realm itself is described as High 1-B, Beyonder was generally portrayed as enormously above the entire marvel multiverse.

 

[Antvasima]

The only way to reconcile the two claims is to interpret the High 1-B statement as true, and the "beyond time and space" instance as simply being beyond the time and space of the regular Marvel universe, and likely multiverse. It is entirely possible to accomplish that by simply being a higher level of High 1-B.

In addition, there is no way to synch up the claim of merely having millions of times more power than the Marvel multiverse with a 1-A rating.

We have talked about this several times before, and are not going to change the profile. I will close this thread, and would appreciate if you immediately and permanently drop the subject.