Novel Kars vs Rohan Kishibe (Redux)

[The_Smashor]

Rules: Speed Equalized. Kars has all of his stands. This is Thus Spoke Rohan Kishibe Rohan. Otherwise SBA.



Local Pillar Man literally too understanding to die: 1 (Genericstickma)
It's not an author avatar, I swear: 1 (AsianAntics)

Inconclusive:

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

So...Rohan points?

 

[The_Smashor]

That's one possiblity out of many.

 

[AsianAntics]

I'm pretty sure a insta-thought based hack is gonna hit before anything Kars can do with Speed equlized. So. Uh... Rohan thinks.

 

[The_Smashor]

Kars has his own insta-thought based hax, I think, but I'll add that vote anyway.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Kars starts with Whitesnake, which is not thought-based

 

[Genericstickman]

Rohan writes "you will not harm Rohan Kishibe" into Kars

Killer Queen goes "OWO no" and uses bites the dust and goes back in time

Kars understands

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Kars cant understand if he is not allowed to understand

 

[The_Smashor]

Can Rohan null 4D understanding?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Does it even matter? Kars' understanding doesnt have a potency or something like that. If he cant even use in the first place he wont be able to understand HD

 

[Ogbunabali]

Umm Kars just understands, or D4CU gets another Kars, or Kars is just immune to transmutation considering he can transmute his own body, and doesn't go unconscious because his literally mind/soul disk can get destroyed and doesn't matter to him, or time stops, etc.

 

[DMB_1]

Kars has bullshited himself out of way worse things, from what I can understand.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Welp, might be a stomp for Kars, then

 

[The_Smashor]

Novel Kars once again proves his superiority to Heaven Ascension DIO, I suppose. The fight goes like this:

Rohan books

He reads "I now understand the ability Heaven's Door"

He gets booked

 

[Genericstickman]

Actually HAD would stomp Rohan since he resists transmutation, it's just not on his profile yet

 

[The_Smashor]

Oh.

Neat.

 

[AsianAntics]

If Kars can resist transmutation (he probably can), change my vote to him. If he can't (he probably ca) keep my vote for Rohan.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Kars doesn't have to resist transmutation he just understands or killer queen rewinds and he understands

 

[The_Smashor]

The thing is, weather or not he resists trasmutation, Rohan will only be effecting one of Kars' over thirty minds. It's basically this:

Rohan: Books Kars and writes "I cannot attack Rohan Kishibe"

Kars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMC0uZY2iH0&t=8m36s

 

[DMB_1]

So basically, in a best-case scenario where Kars doesn't let any of his Stands activate:

• Rohan: incapacitates Kars with HD and writes on him that he cannot harm him

• Kars: later understands HD, then re-writes Rohan's commands and proceeds to kill Roha

 

[Ponkpunk]

Sigh... are we talking abiut rohan when he had to make you look in his manga or the retcon roham that can just do whatever he wants...

 

[DMB_1]

Retcon Rohan is being used.

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Kars cannot understand if he is prevented from trying to understand. Heaven's Door's command would stop him before he attempts to do so. Its not powernull or anything, more like Law Manip.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Rohan wouldn't even know about understanding since he has no prior knowledge

I'm also fairly certain understanding is above what he can null

It is powernull done through information manip not law manip

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Rohan doesn't need prior knowledge when he can simply read Kars and get all the knowledge he needs.

Its not powernull. Kars can use his powers just fine as long as they don't hurt Rohan in any way, whether now or in future.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Rohan can't read Kars though because Kars gets booked understands and then yeets Rohan out of existence

Even giving Rohan the benefit of the doubt and saying he somehow manages to get in rhe whole "can't hurt Rohan" thing then Kars just understands and it becomes useless anyway and he still yeets Rohan or a different Kars comes in and already understands it, or btd activates and Kars already understands it

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Understanding is harmful to Rohan, so Kars would be unable to do it. He can understand everything else just fine, its not Powernulling.

 

[The_Smashor]

Rohan: Books Kars and writes "I cannot attack Rohan Kishibe"

Kars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMC0uZY2iH0&t=8m36s

Heaven's Door has never been shown affecting more then one mind at once. Hell, he can't even effect Stands working on their own if he books the user. Like when he wrote "I cannot harm Rohan Kishibe" on Cheap Trick's user. Yeah, that went well.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Understanding is not harmful to Rohan and is again way above heaven's door's paygrade

Also assuming Rohan can prevent understanding somehow d4cu just grabs another Kars who already understands and heavens door doesn't work now