Not Really Goku vs Not Really Vegeta (Grace)

[KingKenjo]

Today I bring you a battle of doppelgangers! Copy Vegeta vs Goku Black

Base Black after learning Goku's style vs SSB Copy Vegeta

Not Really Goku: 7 (CBslayeR, Vizer04, sanicspood, Coolboy6, Sonicflare9, Naitodesu, Shizuka)

Not Really Vegeta: 0

It Doesn't Count Because Neither Are the Real Ones: 0

 

[sanicspood]

interesting, following

 

[Vizer04]

For a second i thought it was gonna be Evolution Goku

 

[KingKenjo]

For a second i thought it was gonna be Evolution Goku

As hilarious as that'd be I'm not about to make an obvious spite thread, even for Evolution. Lol

 

[CBslayeR]

I'm assuming this is Goku Black after fighting Goku for the first time. I think Goku Black takes this pretty handily, in base he could hurt a SSB Vegeta that's stronger than the one Copy Vegeta is based on, and he has SSR which will definitely make him stronger Copy Vegeta in blue

 

[KingKenjo]

I'm assuming this is Goku Black after fighting Goku for the first time. I think Goku Black takes this pretty handily, in base he could hurt a SSB Vegeta that's stronger than the one Copy Vegeta is based on, and he has SSR which will definitely make him stronger Copy Vegeta in blue

Is there a difference before and after he fights Goku? I'll freely admit that I'm only just now starting his arc, so my knowledge on Goku Black is a bit unreliable

 

[CBslayeR]

Is there a difference before and after he fights Goku? I'll freely admit that I'm only just now starting his arc, so my knowledge on Goku Black is a bit unreliable

He learns how he fights and gets stronger from it due to zenkais

 

[KingKenjo]

He learns how he fights and gets stronger from it due to zenkais

Ah okay. I do want this to be as fair as possible, so I'll say this is before the Goku fight. Do you think I should restrict SSR or equalize speed?

 

[CBslayeR]

He doesn't have SSR before the Goku fight, and in that fight he loses to SSJ2 Goku

 

[KingKenjo]

He doesn't have SSR before the Goku fight, and in that fight he loses to SSJ2 Goku

So would that make it a stomp for Copy Vegeta? If so then this seems like a pretty big mismatch

 

[CBslayeR]

I think the original thread rules were fine tbh, it was just decisive in Goku Black's favor

 

[KingKenjo]

I think the original thread rules were fine tbh, it was just decisive in Goku Black's favor

Well as long as you're sure then I'll keep the rules as they are. May I count this as your vote?

 

[CBslayeR]

yeah

 

[KingKenjo]

yeah

Alright, counted

 

[Vizer04]

Goku Black FRA

 

[sanicspood]

black fra

 

[Coolboy6]

Black FRA

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I'm pretty sure Goku Black stomps

Base Goku Black already scales to a Vegeta stronger than Copy Vegeta, and it's inifinitely worse with SSJR

Even if Copy Vegeta lands some damage, Black just zenkais and stomps him even worse

 

[Sonicflare9]

goku black fra

 

[Vizer04]

Base Goku Black already scales to a Vegeta stronger than Copy Vegeta

Nope, Copy-Vegeta was equal with SSB Vegeta so Base Goku Black would only be marginally superior in AP.

it's inifinitely worse with SSR

I think he can't use SSR in this battle. Plus, Copy-Vegeta can absorb him but it's unlikely that would happen (Black is smart and won't fall for his tricks). As i said, it's not a stomp but Black wins more times that he lose.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Nope, Copy-Vegeta was equal with SSB Vegeta so Base Goku Black would only be marginally superior in AP.


I think he can't use SSR in this battle. Plus, Copy-Vegeta can absorb him but it's unlikely that would happen (Black is smart and won't fall for his tricks). As i said, it's not a stomp but Black wins more times that he lose.

What are Copy Vegeta's wincons?

He's literally a worse version of SSB Vegeta from the Black Saga, who was matched by Base Black

Combine that with Black's crazy zenkai boosts and Copy Vegeta has no way to win here

 

[Vizer04]

What are Copy Vegeta's wincons?

Absorbtion. He can absorb Black.

He's literally a worse version of SSB Vegeta from the Black Saga

No, he's equal to SSB Vegeta.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Absorbtion. He can absob Black.

Copy Vegeta has no control over it. It's just the Superhuman Water doing the absorption without the consent of the characters.

Copy Vegeta literally does NOT control the water, so idk why he even has absorption

No, he's equal to SSB Vegeta.

SSB Vegeta from Black Saga > U6 Saga Vegeta = Copy Vegeta

Black literally outclasses him in every possible regard. We literally saw how the battle would go when Vegeta attacked Black after they traveled for the future before Black showed his Super Saiyan Rosé

 

[Vizer04]

SSB Vegeta from Black Saga > U6 Saga Vegeta

Is it by that much tho?

 

[CrystalValley]

what about the base Black that was weaker than SSJ2 Goku, would that make it fair?

 

[Vizer04]

what about the base Black that was weaker than SSJ2 Goku, would that make it fair?

I think it's even worse that way. I would keep the battle as it is now, it's the fairer it could be imo.

 

[KingKenjo]

If I need to restrict Rosé then I totally can. But if the majority think the fight's fine as it is then I'll keep it at SBA

 

[Vizer04]

I personally think that SSB Copy-Vegeta vs Base Goku Black (after his first fight with Goku SS2) is the closest you can get with these two.

 

[KingKenjo]

I personally think that SSB Copy-Vegeta vs Base Goku Black (after his first fight with Goku SS2) is the closest you can get with these two.

Alright then, I'll restrict Rosé for that. Thank you for your input

 

[Vizer04]

Bump

 

[Naito-desu]

Goku black fra

 

[Deleted member 11410]

Goku Black FRA.

 

[KingKenjo]

And that's Grace. Time to see if this'll get added