Nonexistent Physiology: Sailor Moon Characters

[Iamunanimousinthat]

While waiting for this simple thread to conclude. I am just moving on because it's been over a year.

This thread is give Sailor Moon Characters NEP Type 2 when they are inside the Cauldron. From the Nonexistent Physiology Page:

"The character doesn't exist in a sense further beyond conventional nonexistence. In terms of binary, this would be something that is neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence. These characters often have some form of Nonduality due to their lack of binary existence. Characters of this type have to behave at least as nonexistent as those with Material Nonexistence, but might display even further showings such as preceding or opposing existence."

As one may or may not know, all living things and all celestial objects, essentially everything in the verse comes from a star seed. When a being dies or is destroyed, their star seed returns to the the Galaxy Cauldron. The Galaxy Cauldron are where starseeds are created and are born from.

Beings that get erased like Metallia also return to the Galaxy Cauldron. Chibi-usa who was erased from History returned to the Cauldron. When beings touch the cauldron, they are erased, such as Sailor Moon, Tuxedo Kamen. When Sailor Galaxia threw the starseeds back into the cauldron, she stated that they dissolved and vanished without a trace.

When Chaos became one with the cauldron, he complained about never being born a star. Star seeds are possibilities/potential. This means that Chaos exists in a state of unrealized potential and as an unactualized possibility. The main cast existed in the same state when they reformed in the Cauldron, having the chance to either start a new history or return to their old lives.

I believe Chaos and beings within the Cauldron would qualify for NEP Type 1. Beings that are erased from existence are sent to the cauldron, and the very act of entering the cauldron requires erasure. While within the Cauldron they exist as unrealized possibilities/potential.

Chaos and the Complete/Perfect Forms of the Senshi would get NEP Nature Type 1, Aspects: Mental, Spirit, History and star seed

Tally

NEP Nature Type 1, Aspects: Mental, Spirit, History and star seed for Chaos, and limited for others: CodeCCLL, Rakih_Elyan, The_King_of_Proudence(Chaos only)

Disagree: Wikisource

 

[CodeCCLL]

At first, there is not even the slightest thing related to NEP 2 here, but before giving my opinion on what it is, I have a question: can they still interact with reality after they are erased?

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

At first, there is not even the slightest thing related to NEP 2 here, but before giving my opinion on what it is, I have a question: can they still interact with reality after they are erased?

Chaos can, but the others are inside the cauldron so they're disconnected from the rest of reality.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Chaos can, but the others are inside the cauldron so they're disconnected from the rest of reality.

Can you elaborate a little on how Chaos is able to do this?

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Can you elaborate a little on how Chaos is able to do this?

He fused and became one with the Galaxy Cauldron. He was able to send out dark stars, extensions of himself, out into reality to be born.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Depends, are things physically spawned from the cauldron, or conceptually? Even if Chibiusa was erased from history, that would just put her in the class of "yet to be born" in the new timeline. Then again, it including a person indicates the former.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Depends, are things physically spawned from the cauldron, or conceptually? Even if Chibiusa was erased from history, that would just put her in the class of "yet to be born" in the new timeline. Then again, it including a person indicates the former.

Conceptually. The cauldron births the star seed which grows into people, planets, stars, sailor crystals etc.

 

[CodeCCLL]

He fused and became one with the Galaxy Cauldron. He was able to send out dark stars, extensions of himself, out into reality to be born.

Thanks.

Beings that get erased like Metallia also return to the Galaxy Cauldron. Chibi-usa who was erased from History returned to the Cauldron. When beings touch the cauldron, they are erased, such as Sailor Moon, Tuxedo Kamen. When Sailor Galaxia threw the starseeds back into the cauldron, she stated that they dissolved and vanished without a trace.

Then I'm fine with "NEP Nature Type 1, Aspect Type 1, 2, 3, 4" for Chaos and "Limited NEP Nature 1, Aspect Type 1, 2, 3, 4" for others in Galaxy Cauldron.

Also, it would be great if you could bring relevant context and scan to the "erased from history" pharase so we can decide they qualify Aspect Type 5 [History].

When Chaos became one with the cauldron, he complained about never being born a star. Star seeds are possibilities/potential. This means that Chaos exists in a state of unrealized potential and as an unactualized possibility.

If I'm not mistaken, Star Seeds are considered concepts and fundemental information as well as possibilities/potential, right?

Based on the scans, it appears to be an additional aspect that does not exist, as Star Seeds no longer exist as a possibility/potential in the Galaxy Cauldron and lack the other metaphysical aspects that constitute their existence.

Also according to me, it doesn't really make sense to use the term "unrealized possibilities/potential" because it suggests that these are still a possibility that could happen with the passage of time, but as far as I understand this is not the case, those in the Galaxy Cauldron are not even a possibility/potential anymore and will never be born as a star.

So Aspect Type 5 [Possibility/Potential] is the most reliable.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Also, it would be great if you could bring relevant context and scan to the "erased from history" pharase so we can decide they qualify Aspect Type 5 [History].

Essentially when Tuxedo Mask fell in to the cauldron and was erased. Chibi-usa, his future daughter was erased along with him. This is with stark contrast of earlier events, when Galaxia killed him, and Chibi-Usa and his future self was still alive in the future. When Tuxedo Mask fell into the cauldron, his history was erased which included chibi-usa and his future self.

Also according to me, it doesn't really make sense to use the term "unrealized possibilities/potential" because it suggests that these are still a possibility that could happen with the passage of time, but as far as I understand this is not the case, those in the Galaxy Cauldron are not even a possibility/potential anymore and will never be born as a star.

This is a good point. I will take it into consideration.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Essentially when Tuxedo Mask fell in to the cauldron and was erased. Chibi-usa, his future daughter was erased along with him. This is with stark contrast of earlier events, when Galaxia killed him, and Chibi-Usa and his future self was still alive in the future. When Tuxedo Mask fell into the cauldron, his history was erased which included chibi-usa and his future self.

Then I agree with "NEP Nature Type 1, All Aspects [History and Possibility]" for Chaos and their "Limited" version for the beings in the Galaxy Cauldron.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

I think this is NEP type 1 too.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

I think this is NEP type 1 too.

Sweet! Can I put you down with CodeCCLL?

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Bump

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Bump.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Bump!

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Bump

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Bump.


Can I put you down for support of the OP or for what CodeCCLL proposed?

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

He liked your comment, which I think means "yes".
A frank statement wouldn't hurt, though.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

He liked your comment, which I think means "yes".
A frank statement wouldn't hurt, though.

I actually quote tweeted you, but it didn’t appear!! My question was for you.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

I'll say NEP for Chaos, resistance for everyone else.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Bump

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Bumping again. Upon further reflection, I agree with CodeCCLL's point that it should be Type 1. I changed the OP to match it.

 

[Wikisource]

As one may or may not know, all living things and all celestial objects, essentially everything in the verse comes from a star seed. When a being dies or is destroyed, their star seed returns to the the Galaxy Cauldron. The Galaxy Cauldron are where starseeds are created and are born from.

Beings that get erased like Metallia also return to the Galaxy Cauldron. Chibi-usa who was erased from History returned to the Cauldron. When beings touch the cauldron, they are erased, such as Sailor Moon, Tuxedo Kamen. When Sailor Galaxia threw the starseeds back into the cauldron, she stated that they dissolved and vanished without a trace.

When Chaos became one with the cauldron, he complained about never being born a star. Star seeds are possibilities/potential. This means that Chaos exists in a state of unrealized potential and as an unactualized possibility.

I'm not really understand how NEP1 could work. Chaos is not star so he exists in a state of unrealized potential/unactualized possibility. Well, did possibility/potential are aspects that keep something's existance? You should provide more context.

The main cast existed in the same state when they reformed in the Cauldron, having the chance to either start a new history or return to their old lives.

About main cast, Caulron will erase everything inside so you need prove that they still interact with reality in non-existance. Still exist or reform is a resistance/regeneration/immortality feat. Again, it need more context.

I believe Chaos and beings within the Cauldron would qualify for NEP Type 1. Beings that are erased from existence are sent to the cauldron, and the very act of entering the cauldron requires erasure. While within the Cauldron they exist as unrealized possibilities/potential.

Same as above.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

I'm not really understand how NEP1 could work. Chaos is not star so he exists in a state of unrealized potential/unactualized possibility. Well, did possibility/potential are aspects that keep something's existance? You should provide more context.

Star is used both literally and metaphorically by the series. The cauldron births star seeds which become stars, planets, people, organisms etc. Star seeds are possibilities. Chaos is essentially unborn, existing within the cauldron.

About main cast, Caulron will erase everything inside so you need prove that they still interact with reality in non-existance. Still exist or reform is a resistance/regeneration/immortality feat. Again, it need more context.

During this scene, Sailor Moon used the Lambda power to regenerate the lost sailor senshi and return them as they were in the universe. She also was able to regenerate herself and the others. They regained their forms while inside the Cauldron, existing in the same limbo state as Chaos once did.

 

[Wikisource]

Star is used both literally and metaphorically by the series. The cauldron births star seeds which become stars, planets, people, organisms etc. Star seeds are possibilities. Chaos is essentially unborn, existing within the cauldron.



During this scene, Sailor Moon used the Lambda power to regenerate the lost sailor senshi and return them as they were in the universe. She also was able to regenerate herself and the others. They regained their forms while inside the Cauldron, existing in the same limbo state as Chaos once did.

These will make them cannot have NEP1. From what I said, exist or regenerate in Cauldron is a resistance/regeneration feat. About Chaos exist in same state with main cast made he couldn't get NEP1 as well. The key is that they regenerate and regain their erased form, which works against NEP1 feat because NEP1 as its name suggests, exists and interacts in a non-existent state.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

These will make them cannot have NEP1. From what I said, exist or regenerate in Cauldron is a resistance/regeneration feat. About Chaos exist in same state with main cast made he couldn't get NEP1 as well. The key is that they regenerate and regain their erased form, which works against NEP1 feat because NEP1 as its name suggests, exists and interacts in a non-existent state.

The cauldron erases everything from exist that enters it, across history.

While inside the cauldron, they do not exist within the universe, as they are given the choice to return as they were, restoring their lives and future, or starting a new history.

But if you disagree I will mark you down as such.

 

[Wikisource]

The cauldron erases everything from exist that enters it, across history.

While inside the cauldron, they do not exist within the universe, as they are given the choice to return as they were, restoring their lives and future, or starting a new history.

I know but NEP1 doesn't work like that.

But if you disagree I will mark you down as such.

Okay.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

The cauldron erases everything from exist that enters it, across history.

Does it continually erase, or only on entry?

 

[Hxskyy2005]

I would agree more with the type 1 nep

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Does it continually erase, or only on entry?

How would the differences apply in this case?

 

[Vietthai96]

This mean that they are only being an erased entity within the Cauldron. When they are out, they are regenerated, this is a very limited, specific and conditional nonexistent based on the environment

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

How would the differences apply in this case?

If they're only erased on entry, being restored inside it would not require resistance.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

This mean that they are only being an erased entity within the Cauldron. When they are out, they are regenerated, this is a very limited, specific and conditional nonexistent based on the environment

Yes. The key is for the senshi inside the cauldron.

If they're only erased on entry, being restored inside it would not require resistance.

They’re erased upon entry but also it was stated that it was an extra ordinary feat to keep their forms while inside the cauldron

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Yes. The key is for the senshi inside the cauldron.

What happened when they left?

They’re erased upon entry but also it was stated that it was an extra ordinary feat to keep their forms while inside the cauldron

That should be resistance, then.

 

[Theglassman12]

What about this gives them NEP on all types and not just what’s confirmed to exist in their beings for sailor moon?

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

What happened when they left?

That should be resistance, then.

They returned to earth as they were before forgoing starting a new history for themselves.

What about this gives them NEP on all types and not just what’s confirmed to exist in their beings for sailor moon?

All aspects are confirmed for beings in Sailor Moon. They have bodies, souls, minds, concepts (star seeds), information (also star seeds).

 

[Theglassman12]

can I see the scans for those? Also bodies means jackshit with the NEP aspects.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

can I see the scans for those? Also bodies means jackshit with the NEP aspects.

Minds: Here is a scene where Sailor Galaxia meets Sailor Moon on the mental plane and tries to drag her down into her own





Souls: Here is a scene where Hotaru's soul protects Chibi-Usa's soul



Concepts: Starseeds are the source of everything and possibilities





Information: Sailor Galaxia with the starseeds are able to recreate the senshi and change their properties make them purely evil and even alter their powers

https://imgur.com/zRLAVUK

 

[Theglassman12]

Yeah not seeing concept and information here with these evidences.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Yeah not seeing concept and information here with these evidences.

Its already accepted in the wiki.