Nonduality type 2 Negation for Han jee Han - The Gamer

[Nexus_still_slams]

First, thanks to Rakih_Elyan who gives first the idea (and sorry if my english is bad and not very understandable

In the gamer, Yin and Yang are the duality of all the world, and Taiji is the "fusion" of the two.

IN THE BEGINNING, THE WORLD WAS ONE.

THEN IT DIVIDED INTO TWO AND BECAME YIN AND YANG AND TAIJI.

Taiji is also said to be the very essence of the world.

THE VERY ESSENCE OF THE WORLD IS UNDER MY CONTROL.

Yin and Yang are the two primordial energies.

TWO PRIMORDIAL ENERGIES.
YIN-YANG TAIJI.

Tongcheon is the Master of Geumodo, like he said he is the owner of Taiji, and is one With it.

I AM THE OWNER OF TAIJI. I GOVERN YIN AND YANG. AND IT IS I WHO MAINTAIN BALANCE IN THE WORLD THROUGH THE
EIGHT TRIGRAMS.

I AM ALWAYS ONE WITH TAIJI...
...SO I CANNOT BE FELLED BY NORMAL METHODS

If I quote the Nonduality page :

General Nonduality: Characters existing in a nondual state regarding all dual systems within an entire level of reality in a way that makes them occupy both or neither state of the dualities in question. This type of nonduality immunizes the user against all attacks and haxes that don't also possess this level of nonduality, though characters scaling to more logical states than the ones mentioned can bypass this immunity.

Like we saw before, Tongcheon is one with the Taiji which is the "Fusion" of Yin and Yang which are the duality of all the world (so all the duality of the "world"). With that he control Yin and Yang and Maintain balance in the world. With all that he would qualify for Nonduality type 2

Base Jihan (Jihan without the powers of the demons) could already beat Base tongcheon before he power up (even without power up he was already one with Taiji).

In conclusion Jihan should Have something like Nd2 Negation (Idk how to say that).

Agree : 7
Disagree : 1 (proposed a downgrade to nd1)

 

[Georredannea15]

Yin-Yang alone is not enough for type 2. For type 2 you basically need to actually be outside or beyond "all dualities" in the reality. Yin-Yang includes all dualities "according to the context", this is not always assumed. If there is no such context, it wouldn't be type 2.

Other than that, I think type 1 is fine.

 

[Nexus_still_slams]

Yin-Yang alone is not enough for type 2. For type 2 you basically need to actually be outside or beyond "all dualities" in the reality. Yin-Yang includes all dualities "according to the context", this is not always assumed. If there is no such context, it wouldn't be type 2.

Other than that, I think type 1 is fine.

Yin Yang are all the duality of the world since they are the duality of all the world, its confirmed by the fact that yin and Yang are existence and non existence, it would be coherent since The gamer follow well the myths or religions (irl myths or religions) In the verse, (for exemple for chinese myths in the verse we have the trichiliocosm, yin Yang and taiji etc) plus it has been state that all myths exist in the verse.

 

[Georredannea15]

Yin Yang are all the duality of the world since they are the duality of all the world, its confirmed by the fact that yin and Yang are existence and non existence, it would be coherent since The gamer follow well the myths or religions (irl myths or religions) In the verse, (for exemple for chinese myths in the verse we have the trichiliocosm, yin Yang and taiji etc) plus it has been state that all myths exist in the verse.

Just because it is expressed this way in other verses does not mean that Yin-Yang is the same, man. Just because the Chinese verses do this does not mean it is the same here

If Yin-Yang does not include all the other dualities in the verse, or if the verse doesn't states that there are multiple dualities or does not states that Yin-Yang is a general duality that includes them all, then it's just a specific duality. Only a specific duality is mentioned here

 

[Nexus_still_slams]

Just because it is expressed this way in other verses does not mean that Yin-Yang is the same, man. Just because the Chinese verses do this does not mean it is the same here

If Yin-Yang does not include all the other dualities in the verse, or if the verse doesn't states that there are multiple dualities or does not states that Yin-Yang is a general duality that includes them all, then it's just a specific duality. Only a specific duality is mentioned here

If the world was one before, then it has no duality, by Split in two all the duality were created in yin and Yang, so in fact all the duality of the world (at least the 3000 divine worlds of trichiliocosm and the world of jihan) are represented by the Yin and The Yang.

 

[ROZAN-TIMSINA0]

so in fact all the duality of the world

what are other dualities? provide scans ,since it's necessary for proving type 2
if nonexistent and existent are the only known , then it's pretty much specific duality as said above

 

[Nexus_still_slams]

what are other dualities? provide scans ,since it's necessary for proving type 2
if nonexistent and existent are the only known , then it's pretty much specific duality as said above

All the duality of the world like i said because the world was one, and Split in two so i can say that all the duality of the world was Split in yin and yang

 

[Georredannea15]

I mean, where are all the other dualities? Because Yin-Yang as one specific duality can cover the whole world.

 

[Nexus_still_slams]

I mean, where are all the other dualities? Because Yin-Yang as one specific duality can cover the whole world.

Idk we dont assume that in each verse there's a lot of duality ? Like cause and effect etc and even if there is only one duality (two with existence and non existence) in the world so it would be a nd2 because he would incarn the only two duality present in the world ?

 

[Nexus_still_slams]

I mean, where are all the other dualities? Because Yin-Yang as one specific duality can cover the whole world.

Also if he is nondual to Existence and Nonexistence, then he would be nondual to all duality no because aren't they bound by existence and Nonexistence since anything (like duality) that is bound by logic is either existent or nonexistent (Or the two) except things like nep2 etc ?

 

[ROZAN-TIMSINA0]

Also if he is nondual to Existence and Nonexistence, then he would be nondual to all duality no because aren't they bound by existence and Nonexistence since anything (like duality) that is bound by logic is either existent or nonexistent (Or the two) except things like nep2 etc ?

at what basis are you assuming that there are all duality in the verse?

 

[Nexus_still_slams]

at what basis are you assuming that there are all duality in the verse?

I mean nondual to all duality in the verse

 

[ROZAN-TIMSINA0]

I mean nondual to all duality in the verse

yin yang is nonexistent and existent ,so basically one dual system
taiji is one with ying yang , nondual to one dual system

as you have quoted from nonduality page
Characters existing in a nondual state regarding all dual systems

just because it's nonexistent and existent doesn't mean it will cover all dualities when it's not presented or mentioned in the show

 

[ROZAN-TIMSINA0]

atleast you can use this

If there’s more than one duality that exists and it extends across reality it’s type 2. You don’t need “all dualities” to be spelled out for you to get type 2.

like this upgrade

 

[Nexus_still_slams]

atleast you can use this

If there’s more than one duality that exists and it extends across reality it’s type 2. You don’t need “all dualities” to be spelled out for you to get type 2.
like this upgrade

So There is the duality of the world (so all the duality presents in the world Or at least just the duality of the world) and the duality of existence and nonexistence, would it be enough ?

 

[Georredannea15]

So There is the duality of the world (so all the duality presents in the world Or at least just the duality of the world) and the duality of existence and nonexistence, would it be enough ?

That's what I meant, there is a specific duality. Yin-Yang represents this dualizm, not the duality/dualities itself. It's considered specific when it's unique

 

[ROZAN-TIMSINA0]

reading the scans again there's some mistaken things in the OP

first it talks about world being and and it got divided

one part is yin-yang and another part is taiji

it doesn't says taiji is fusion of yin yang

which is again backed up below when he says two primordial energies yin-yang and taiji

so the only dual system here is nonexistent and existent and yin yang is both of them
basically yin-yang is fusion of nonexistent and existent or nondual with them

 

[Nexus_still_slams]

reading the scans again there's some mistaken things in the OP

first it talks about world being and and it got divided

one part is yin-yang and another part is taiji

it doesn't says taiji is fusion of yin yang

which is again backed up below when he says two primordial energies yin-yang and taiji

so the only dual system here is nonexistent and existent and yin yang is both of them
basically yin-yang is fusion of nonexistent and existent or nondual with them

Yin is the black energy, and Yang the white, when tongcheon talk about taiji he show the sign of it, which is like composed of the two energies, Yin and Yang, thats why im saying that

 

[Georredannea15]

reading the scans again there's some mistaken things in the OP

first it talks about world being and and it got divided

one part is yin-yang and another part is taiji

it doesn't says taiji is fusion of yin yang

which is again backed up below when he says two primordial energies yin-yang and taiji

so the only dual system here is nonexistent and existent and yin yang is both of them
basically yin-yang is fusion of nonexistent and existent or nondual with them

If that were the case, yes it would be type 2 but I don't think it is

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Looks like pretty blatant type 2 nonduality. Yin and Yang/Taiji here is basically just copied from taoism and is essentially an all encompassing duality even here.

 

[Nexus_still_slams]

Looks like pretty blatant type 2 nonduality. Yin and Yang/Taiji here is basically just copied from taoism and is essentially an all encompassing duality even here.

Yes thats the case, the gamer is based on a lot of myths for the cosmology

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Also it isn't just "yin and yang" as yin and yang here are also used in direct correlations to eight trigrams which is basically yin and yang giving rise to "lesser" dualities through itself which essentially makes up all dualities that govern or move the world.

 

[Livinmeme]

Makes sense, Ying and Yang is used to represent all dualities, at worst you can just put Duality type 1 (Affected the concepts of ying and yang), possibly type 2 (it is heavilly implied that ying and yang covers all dualities of the world, along with ying and yang being the dualities that represent existence, and non existence)

 

[Nexus_still_slams]

First, thanks to Rakih_Elyan who gives first the idea (and sorry if my english is bad and not very understandable

In the gamer, Yin and Yang are the duality of all the world, and Taiji is the "fusion" of the two.


Taiji is also said to be the very essence of the world.


Yin and Yang are the two primordial energies.



Tongcheon is the Master of Geumodo, like he said he is the owner of Taiji, and is one With it.





If I quote the Nonduality page :



Like we saw before, Tongcheon is one with the Taiji which is the "Fusion" of Yin and Yang which are the duality of all the world (so all the duality of the "world"). With that he control Yin and Yang and Maintain balance in the world. With all that he would qualify for Nonduality type 2

Base Jihan (Jihan without the powers of the demons) could already beat Base tongcheon before he power up (even without power up he was already one with Taiji).

In conclusion Jihan should Have something like Nd2 Negation (Idk how to say that).

Maybe this can be used as a back up : In the Gamer all the myths and religions exists, it has also been proven with chinese cosmology since one of the nine gates is the trichiliocosm, the cosmological existence of Yin-Yang duality and taiji and the Bagua (Eight Trigrams), also, in the raw when they talk about Yin Yang and the Taiji, the chinese caracters of chinese cosmology are used

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Blatant, Dao-pilled CRT.

Agree.

The world actually one and then divided into two (Yin-Yang), is a blatant type 2.

 

[ShadowGun45]

@BestMGQScalerEver I've already said everything I was going to say, so I won't argue. I agree, this is too blatant.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Also show the scan where Tongcheon actually immune to all attacks except from Jee Han, and the reason why he can actually attack Tongcheon by comprehending principle of the world.

 

[ShadowGun45]

Taking advantage of the fact that we are talking about Tongcheon, Jee-Han's resistance to information analysis should also be changed to immunity, as Tongcheon was not able to discover anything about Jee-Han using Bagua, which is one of the laws that make up the gamer's world.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Taking advantage of the fact that we are talking about Tongcheon, Jee-Han's resistance to information analysis should also be changed to immunity, as Tongcheon was not able to discover anything about Jee-Han using Bagua, which is one of the laws that make up the gamer's world.

Also give Jee Han Conceptual Manip type 2 and resistance to it. Considering he use the principle of the world and withstood Tongcheon Taiji attack. But I think it should be on different CRT.

 

[ShadowGun45]

Also give Jee Han Conceptual Manip type 2 and resistance to it. Considering he use the principle of the world and withstood Tongcheon Taiji attack. But I think it should be on different CRT.

not only that, but he should also receive more things added to his damage cancellation, after all he understood all the laws that make up the world to neutralize all kinds of things.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Tldr: Han Jee Han current profile is outdated and should be upgraded from season 7 abilities.

 

[ShadowGun45]

Tldr: Han Jee Han current profile is outdated and should be upgraded from season 7 abilities.

Ah, if I knew how to edit and make Threads, I would have done this a long time ago. has many skills to add, in addition to the power and resistance feats having increased significantly.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Ah, if I knew how to edit and make Threads, I would have done this a long time ago. has many skills to add, in addition to the power and resistance feats having increased significantly.

I will create a CRT for this Koreaman, don't worry.

 

[ShadowGun45]

I will create a CRT for this Koreaman, don't worry.

We need to change that thing about the player's abilities being reinforced by the causality of the world, after all it's not just the causality itself, but the fundamental laws and principles that form the world. It is both law and concepts in reality

even destiny manipulation and resistance to destiny manipulation the boy needs in the profile. the fool's act needs to be changed to law manipulation, mind techniques need to have causality manipulation too... it's a lot.

 

[ShadowGun45]

anyway, regarding Thread, Jee-Han would gain conceptual NPI, right? he is not necessarily denying Tongcheon's non-duality, he is just interacting with it. Tongcheon remains one with Taiji and Jee-Han is able to touch him because he has understood and extracted the meaning of all the laws and principles that govern the world.

 

[ROZAN-TIMSINA0]

so, yes ying-yan would be type 2 nondual ,since looking up eight trigrams it does seems way too blatant
but what about taiji?
as I said above taiji isn't fusion of yin-yang but seems like it's one of the thing world separated to,
two primordial energies , one part being yin yang and one part being taiji
so if yin-yang is type 2 then taiji is a different state than yin yang ?
so a total 4 logic states?

and even if we use the IRL definition of taiji ,since it's one with yin-yang so ig still 4th state

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks okay from a glance.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

so, yes ying-yan would be type 2 nondual ,since looking up eight trigrams it does seems way too blatant
but what about taiji?
as I said above taiji isn't fusion of yin-yang but seems like it's one of the thing world separated to,
two primordial energies , one part being yin yang and one part being taiji
so if yin-yang is type 2 then taiji is a different state than yin yang ?
so a total 4 logic states?

and even if we use the IRL definition of taiji ,since it's one with yin-yang so ig still 4th state

I think order here is primordial state of the world > Taiji > Yin and Yang since Taiji here has governance over/encompasses yin and yang and visually Taiji is even represented as a "fusion" of opposites (the white and black) with the image he summons.

 

[Livinmeme]

Wait. They say if he can combines the ying and yang...Wouldn't that make the combined energy have NEP3? The yin and yang are existence, and non existence, so combining it would inherently result in a paradox

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Wait. They say if he can combines the ying and yang...Wouldn't that make the combined energy have NEP3? The yin and yang are existence, and non existence, so combining it would inherently result in a paradox

Just NEP2.