Ninjago: Upgrade & Abilities - Part 1

[REX9097]

Fixing

Spoiler: The Overlord

• All his Spirit's P&A should be add to all his forms (except NEP, Abstract Existence, Incorporeality), bc he never said he can't ues his own powers.
• His Range upgrade to Low 1-C in all forms due to this

Up to Low Complex Multiversal with Abilities (Can send Harumi to Departed Realm. His powers can affect the Balance. Controlled all technology in Ninjago, and can see everything Harumi did in his own dimension.)

• Remove "Peak" key, we never saw him as "Peak", and even his true power/peak form is Dragon form
• Remove 4-C with machines me bc this via possession, and we never saw him fight as he as Digital Overlord, and should be replace it with this:

Universe level+ (Have complete control over the Digiverse. Digiverse is referred to as a Universe/Realm, with it being a different rules), Star level as possessing Nindroids

Lifting Strength Update:

Unknown | Class T (Comparable to Lord Garmadon) | Class T (Stronger than before) | Class T (Overpowered Jay) | Class T (Should be comparable to Ultimate Spinjitzu Master Lloyd, who could move mountains) | Class T (Should be at least comparable to his Dragon Form)

In his Spirit:
P&A:

• Self-Sustenance (Type 3 - Comparable to his army, a warrior they cannot be tied or weaken. Can keep in fight for eternity without getting tired)
• Regeneration (High-Godly [Conceptual Type 1] - Can regen himself after completely destroyed by concept explosion by Ultimate Spinjitzu Master. He can't be destroyed due to he like to concept of darkness.)
• Absorption (Passive [Anger and Emotional] - Can absorb emotional of anger)

Resistance:

• Power Nullification & Power Absorption (Darkness, an Elemental Essence, is unaffected by the Vengestone which can nullify and absorb Elemental Essence.)
• Mind Manipulation, Morality Manipulation, Biological Manipulation, Corruption (Type 1 [3 Layers] & 2 [2 Layers]), Madness Manipulation, Soul Manipulation & Perception Manipulation (1 Layer; Is the concept of evil itself and thus should be resistant to his own Darkness abilities. Elemental Masters can resist effects of their own powers)
• Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1 [5-D] - Completely unaffected when he affect Balance, a concept of multiverse. He can affect Balance without being affected. Should be has resist to their own unique powers)

In Mutated Garmadon:
Standart Elemental Master Abilities

• Darkness Manipulation (He been shown capable of manipulating darkness in a variety of ways)
  • Non-Physical Interaction
    • Concept (Type 1 - Can affect the Balance, a concept of multiverse)
    • Soul and Mind (Can affect Minds and Souls)
  • Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1 [5-D] - Power of The Overlord, can shifting The Balance, a 5-Dimensional Concept)
• Conceptual Destruction (Type 1 [5-D]: Can permanently destroy The Balance, a 5-Dimensional Concept)

Resistance:

• Darkness Manipulation (Should be has resisted to their own powers)

In Digital Overlord:

• Non-Physical Interaction
  • Incorporeality (Can interact with Ninja, a incorporeal beings, they live their bodies in Ninjago realm.)
  • Data & Information (Type 2 - Can affect system of Digiverse )
• Absorption (Energy & Powers [1 Layer] - Thanks to his technology, the Digital Overlord is able to absorb Golden Power and Energy, making itself and his machines stronger)
• Enhanced Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 1, Aspect Type 4 [Information Type 2] & 5 [Other: Data] - Even though The Overlord has been erased from the entire Digiverse system, there are still copies of him around and even he himself still exists.)
• Corruption (Type 1 [2 Layer] - Capable of corrupting Wu, who were capable of resisting the effects of Dark Matter.)

Golden Master:
Resistance:

• Negation & Resistance Negation (Elemental Masters can resist effects of their own powers)

Crystal King:
Resistance:

• Existence Erasure, Deconstruction & Conceptual Destruction: Type 1 [5-D] - Capable of resisting the effects of Garmadon's blast, which can erase creation, a 5-D concept)
• Darkness Manipulation (Should be has resisted to their own powers)

Remove:

• Telekinesis
• Durability Negation

• Extrasensory Perception

• Flight (Can levitate freely)

Scene?

• Extrasensory Perception (Possesses thermal vision)

This is Enhanced Senses

Spoiler: FSM

More Range feat:

Up to Low Complex Multiversal (Created multiple Realms. Able to summon Lloyd to his realm and brought him back to Ninjago. Should be comparable to Golden Lloyd, who can able to stabilize The Balance)

P&A:

• Non-Physical Interaction
  • Concept (Type 1 - Comparable to Lloyd, who can affect the Balance, a concept of multiverse)
  • Ghost & Intangibility (Immaterial - Comparable to Lloyd, who can harm Ghosts)
  • Soul and Mind (Comparable to Lloyd, who can affect souls and minds)
  • Abstract (Type 1 [Concept]), Nonexistence (Type 1, Aspect Type 1, 2 & 3), Nonduality, Spiritual, Matter and Incorporeal (Comparable to Lloyd, who can harm The Overlord in their Spirit form)
  • Memory (Can affect Lloyd's memory)
• Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1 [1 Layer {5-D}] - Comparable to Lloyd, who can created concept explosion to affect the Overlord, who were capable of affecting the Balance without being affected)
• Dimensional Travel & Portal Creation (As part of Dragon, should be comparable to Dragons)
• Life Manipulation (With Elemental of Life & Nature)

Resistance:

• Elemental Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Technology Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, Earth Manipulation, Ice Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, Holy Manipulation, Reality Warping, Metal Manipulation, Invisibility, Smoke Manipulation, Intangibility, Telepathy, Mind Manipulation, Gravity Manipulation, Telekinesis, Plant Manipulation, Sound Manipulation, Poison Manipulation, Weather Manipulation, Darkness Manipulation, Teleportation, Creation, Power Mimicry, Time Travel, Time Stop, Age Manipulation, Space-Time Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1 [1 Layer {5-D}] - As Master of all Elemental Powers, it should be has resist to their own powers)

Removed:

• Life Manipulation (Created the Serpentine, a race of humanoid snakes. Immensely above Garmadon, whose powers over creation and destruction allowed him to grant life to the Colossi and burn away Lloyd's life force. Gave life to the Serpentine and all things in Ninjago)

This via Creation

• Resurrection (Brought Lloyd back to life with a petal)

He summoned Lloyd to his realm and didn't bring him back to life and that's a big mistake.

Spoiler: Lloyd Garmadon

Speed Update:
In Pre-Awakening Lloyd & Post-Awakening Lloyd should be upscale to FTL as here accepted all characters in Ninjago upgrade to FTL (1.1)
In Pre-Awakening Lloyd:
Resistance:

• Elemental Manipulation, Energy Manipulation and Projection, Attack Reflection, Fire Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Ice Manipulation and Earth Manipulation, Technology Manipulation and limited Transmutation (Has resist to his own powers)

Resistance:
In Post-Awakening:

• Negation & Resistance Negation against Invulnerability to Energy Manipulation and Life Manipulation (As shown here, can affect Stone Army)

Resistance:

• Negation & Resistance Negation against Invulnerability to Fire Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Ice Manipulation, Earth Manipulation, Sand Manipulatio, Energy Manipulation and Life Manipulation (Has resist to his own powers)

In Ultimate Spinjitzu Master:
All previous abilities, but on a far higher scale and has all abilities of First Spinjitzu Master, plus:

• Non-Physical Interaction
  • Concept (Type 1 - Can affect the Balance, a concept of multiverse)
  • Ghost & Intangibility (Immaterial - Should be as powerful as in him base, as it was stated to be a true potential)
  • Soul and Mind (Can affect souls and minds)
  • Abstract (Type 1 [Concept]), Nonexistence (Type 1, Aspect Type 1, 2 & 3), Nonduality, Spiritual, Matter and Incorporeal (Can harm The Overlord in their Spirit form)
  • Memory (Comparable to The First Spinjitzu Master)
• Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1 [1 Layer {5-D}] - Created concept explosion to affect the Overlord, who were capable of affecting the Balance without being affected)
• Possibly Resistance Negation (He was so close to destroying the Stone Army with his powers)

Resistance:
All of his previous resistances, but on a far higher scale and all resistance of First Spinjitzu Master plus Resistance to:

• Resistance Negation (Should be has resist to their own powers)

In Post-Power Drain:

• Should be has All previous abilities of Post-Awakening, this get accepted before.

Remove:

• Shockwave Creation (Tanked the explosion of a shockwave bomb from Zeatrix)
• Ice Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, Earth Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation and Resistance Negation against Invulnerability to Ice Manipulation, Heat Manipulation, Energy Manipulation, Matter Manipulation & Water Manipulation (Took an elemental explosion from Nya, Zane, Wyldfyre and himself)

This is just tanking a blast that happens to be made of elements, this is a durability feat and nothing implies a resistance to the elements.

Spoiler: Unagami

Now profile

• Upgrade to Low 1-C due to control over Prime Empire, a "shadow of the real world/Ninjago"
• In Prime Empire key: His Lifting Strength upgrade to Immeasurable due to embodying the Prime Empire
• His Intelligence upgrade to Extraordinary Genius, possibly Supergenius due to:

Extraordinary Genius, possibly Supergenius (Unagami stated that his IQ was in the tens of thousands. Capable of creating an entire 5 dimensional Universe-sized world as his creator was never finished with his programming, yet he can program himself without much trouble and allows him to manipulate all reality inside freely, as well as creating various codes, bugs, and NPCs for his game. Smarter than Nindroids like Zane who are shown to be living supercomputers having knowledge about nearly everything in the world)

P&A:

• Abstract Existence (Type 1 [Information Type 2]: Is the entire game of Prime Empire)
• Higher-Dimensional Existence (5-D - Is the entire game of Prime Empire)
• Immortality (Type 1: As its an entire game so shouldn't be bound by aging)
• Resurrection (Low Godly: Should scale to normal players that can resurrect after death, also restoring their entire body and possibly soul)
• Immersion, Dimensional Travel, Portal Creation (Created passageways from the real world into Prime Empire through arcade machines. Also used in-game energy to create a portal to the real world with the help of the Mechanic and Zane, was stated that Prime Empire is not a normal game but a ticket to another world that makes it so immersive)
• Energy Manipulation (Can summon energy waves from the game to the real world)
• Information Manipulation (Type 2), Data Manipulation, Reality Warping, Law Manipulation, Existence Erasure, Spatial Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Gravity Manipulation, and Passive Power Nullification (5-D - Has absolute control over Prime Empire, Stated to be more complex than Digiverse, so should have all of Digi Overlord's abilities such as data, info type 2, law manip and etc, Stated capable of controling Zane's database and soon everything, likely referring to the real world, Prime empire was stated not just gonna change how games are played, but will change the entire world, Capable of erasing blocks, people and others from existence, "Paused" the game when confronting Okino, Removed power and abilities of the Ninjas upon entering Prime Empire)
• Probability Manipulation (Stated by Dyer that good technology can make the impossible possible, referring to Prime Empire as its his creation)
• Corruption, Data Manipulation and Hacking (Type 2: Stated that Pixal can't enter Prime Empire due to it's code being too complex and can override her programmming)
• Accelerated Development (Despite never finished it's programming and locked away forever, it can finish creating itself)
• Forcefield Creation (Able to create forcefields)
• Dimensional Storage (Should scale to players who have dimensional storage due to being the game itself)
• Reactive Evolution (Should scale to players who can improve their overall stats and learning new skills/abilities via expanding their skill tree)
• Free Movement (Should scale to players that can jump on air)
• Transmutation (Turned players into energy cubes upon their death)
• Absorption (Able to absorp energy cubes from dead players)
• Transformation & Flight (Can transform into a dragon)
• Breath Attack (As shown here)

Resistance:

• Resistance Negation against Invulnerability to Electricity Manipulation (Withstanded Jay's electricity)
• Space-Time Manipulation (5D - Despite the Merge effecting realms by merging them into one spacetime, Prime Empire remains uneffected)

Layered

Spoiler: More Layers

Ninjago: Layered Hax

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TLDR

• Dimensional Travel:
  • 1 Layer for: Clouse and Realm Crystal
  • 2 Layers for Traveler's tea
  • 3 Layers for The Scrolls of Forbidden Spinjitzu, Ice Emperor & Aspheera
• Biological Manipulation and Transmutation:
  • 1 Layer for Oni
  • 1 Layer Resistance for Oni and Half Oni
  • 2 Layers for The Overlord and the Weapons of Destruction
  • 2 Layers Resistance to Ninja in their Dragon form
  • 3 Layers for The Overlord
  • 3 Layers Resistance to The Overlord
  • 4 Layers for USM and GM
  • 4 Layers Resistance for USM and GM

Updated & Abilities

Spoiler: Speed

Here accepted FTL (1.1c) for Ninjago characters, it should be some characters has amp:
Elemental of Reflex
Elemental of Reflex users are twice faster than Zane, so this would upgrade Master of Reflex to FTL (2.2c)
Characters:
Zur, Frak (briefly), Sora (briefly) and Nokt (briefly)
Elemental of Speed
Elemental of Speed users are faster than Elemental of Reflex, who make Master of Speed upgrade to 2.2c. The Overlord would upgrade to 2.2 due to can keep up with USM and FSM, who is master of all elemental powers, including speed
Characters:
Master Chen, Kai, Golden Lloyd, FSM, Golden Master, Turner, Nadakhan
Source Dragon
Source Dragon would upgrade to 4.4c, due to has both elemental of Reflex and Speed

Spoiler: Lifting Strength

Nya:

Class T (Superior to Jay, can restrained Cole.) | Class T (Superior to Cole) | Class Z (Could broke free and restrained Wojira, who can lifted moon) | Class T (Could easily restrained Kai) | At least Class T

Spoiler: Range

Dragons able to travel in-between the dimensions, which is Ethereal Divide, who should be higher than Realm in size, who make Dragon's range upgrade to Low 1-C

Spoiler: More abilities

Elemental Powers:

• Superhuman Physical Characteristics: Elemental Masters are naturally stronger than normal humans.
• Resistance to Elemental Manipulation: All Elemental Masters has resist to their own unique powers.

Spinjitzu:
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• Add Shatterspin and Rising Dragon Technique

Shatterspin
P&A:

Other than having the general abilities and resistances all the spinjitzu users have, Shatterspin also have:

• Unholy Manipulation: Shatterspin is a highly advanced and corrupted version of regular Spinjitzu
• Evil Energy Manipulation and Projection: The user can sand evil energy blast from his Shatterspin. They've been shown capable of manipulating this energy in a verity of ways, including...
  • Shockwave Generation: The user is able to produce red and black shockwaves by slamming the ground or by stomping. These shockwaves are incredibly powerful, being strong enough to send a Nindroid flying against a wall.
  • Damage Boost: Shatterspin greatly enhances the user's damage, imbuing their attacks with a evil energy glow that can be infused in combat.
  • Evil Aura and Greater Statistics Amplification: Overwhelming - When charging up Shatterspin, the user emanates a dark red tornado-like energy aura/wave capable of knocking others back and overpowering Spinjitzu.
  • Levitation: When activating the technique, the user levitates in the air.
  • Lightning Manipulation and Air Manipulation: When using Shatterspin, uesr can make red lightning sparked, and a dark spiral cloud formed around him.

Rising Dragon Technique:

Other than having the general abilities and resistances all the spinjitzu users have, Rising Dragon also have:

• Life Manipulation and Creation: Rising Dragon are possess the power of Dragon energy, which is energy of life, comprised of the four main elements. They've been shown capable of manipulating this energy in a verity of ways, including...
  • Breath Attack: The user is able to project a powerful wave of energy when they manifest their dragon avatar or dissipate it.
  • Flight: The user is able to manifest a dragon-like avatar from their own energy and use to fly.
  • Super Greater Statistics Amplification: Rising Dragon is an maximum power technique is necessary to stop the evil Shatterspin method.
  • Damage Boost: Rising Dragon boosts attack power with dragon energy.
  • Enhanced Energy Manipulation and Projection: The user is able to project a powerful wave of energy when they manifest their dragon avatar or dissipate it.

Oni Physiology

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Oni:
Garmadon
The Overlord (possessing Lord Garmadon)
Omega
Half-Oni:
Wu
Base Lloyd
First Spinjitzu Master
Golden Lloyd
Golden Master

Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Disagree on the removal of dark energy projection/Manipulation because the Lloyd vs Overlord first fight

No, that's just stats amp

• Damage Boost: Rising Dragon boosts attack power with dragon energy.

This is a very case by case thing and should be applied differently in each profiles (and renamed "Resistance to Elemental Manip")

• Resistance: All Elemental Masters has resist to their own unique powers.

 

[REX9097]

Disagree on the removal of dark energy projection/Manipulation because the Lloyd vs Overlord first fight

No, that's just stats amp


This is a very case by case thing and should be applied differently in each profiles (and renamed "Resistance to Elemental Manip")

Do you agree with the rest?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Do you agree with the rest?

Yeah for now

 

[DavidTPPM]

I briefly read the thread and so far this stands out the most.

• Dimensional Travel:
  • 1 Layer for: Clouse and Realm Crystal
  • 2 Layers for Traveler's tea
  • 3 Layers for The Scrolls of Forbidden Spinjitzu, Ice Emperor & Aspheera

Dimensional travel justifications just seem to be a range thing. A dimension having a special property that makes it harder to reach doesn't grant layers.

To give resistance to dimensional travel and layered DT you'd need evidence of the dimension having some sort of resistance to dimensional travel, not simply having a requirement to be reached.

• Biological Manipulation and Transmutation:
  • 1 Layer - Oni's cloud can turn people into stone, and even capable of turning the Elemental Masters, who were capable of resisting the effects of Dark Matter, which stated to be can poisions and siphons the body. Half Oni like Lloyd and Wu can unaffected by the effects of Oni's cloud, which means they has resist Oni's cloud, such as here.

The Dark Matter stuff doesn't seem like Transmutation or bio manip. That's just poison and absorption stuff. And turning people into stone isn't Transmutation or bio manip either, it's petrification.

• 2 Layers for The Overlord and the Weapons of Destruction - Infectious crystals can turn people into Crystal Monsters[6], and even Kai stated that they are also capable of turn him and other Ninja[6] which includes Lloyd, which is a Half Oni and even Garmadon mentioned that Wu will not be able to resist The Overlord's powers[7]. Also the Overlord in his Digital form can turn Wu into Machine[8], and it was proven that this was because of The Overlord, as they see here[9], when the Overlord was erased from Digiverse, the technology that was on Wu has disappeared.

Turning people into crystal monsters is too vague by itself. Based on the image tho, this seems more like Possession and limited transformation.

• 2 Layers Resistance to Ninja in their Dragon form

The videos don't seem to show resistance. It appears the crystals WERE affecting them but the ninja destroyed them. I could see limited resistance as they seemed to at least slow down the effects so they can destroy the crystals but they certainly didn't just fully resist the crystals.

• 3 Layers for The Overlord

I think "Possibly 1 Layer" for possession seems the most you can argue and even then idk if limited resistance can yield layers.

• 3 Layers Resistance to The Overlord
• 4 Layers for USM and GM
• 4 Layers Resistance for USM and GM

These should be adjusted to what I said above.

I also assume ALL of the CM1 stuff is already accepted in a different thread right? Because tackling so much stuff AND establishing cm1 in a single thread would be waaaayyyy too much.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Turning people into crystal monsters is too vague by itself. Based on the image tho, this seems more like Possession and limited transformation.

Best if you read Overlord's Crystal King Key

The videos don't seem to show resistance. It appears the crystals WERE affecting them but the ninja destroyed them. I could see limited resistance as they seemed to at least slow down the effects so they can destroy the crystals but they certainly didn't just fully resist the crystals.

They were affecting them only bc they didn't focus. They were easily raming throught the Crystal Warriors previously (same ones who corrupt people by touch)

I also assume ALL of the CM1 stuff is already accepted in a different thread right? Because tackling so much stuff AND establishing cm1 in a single thread would be waaaayyyy too much.

CM1 was already accepted

 

[YmTheSuper]

I didn't fully look at the thread yet but Forbidden Spinjitzu and its users can also get a layer into corruption since it affected Zane who is resistant to corruption. Also can you add purification type 2 for golden power users? (Since Lloyd used it to purify Garmadon and the citizens of Ninjago at the end of season 2)

 

[DavidTPPM]

Best if you read Overlord's Crystal King Key

Could you link it please? Because I'm going purely off of what the OP is saying since CRTs should be structured in a way even people unfamiliar with the verse or character can understand.

They were affecting them only bc they didn't focus.

Based on the videos they seem to break the crystals by channeling their elemental power into them. That's what "focus" was referring to. Zane was already focusing enough to catch a flying shuriken so it's not like being offguard lowers their resistance or something.

So limited resistance at best still stands.

They were easily raming throught the Crystal Warriors previously (same ones who corrupt people by touch)

Again seems like limited resistance as they seem to only slow down the effects rather than resist them completely.

CM1 was already accepted

Is ALL the cm1 stuff accepted? I think I've seen some darkness stuff here but there's stuff like Balance mentioned here which is why I'm asking. And the scans for high godly don't actually prove he got erased on a conceptual level (or even low on a low-godly level) nor that he regenerated (could be resurrection).

Not saying those are wrong but they definitely need improvement in evidence

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Could you link it please? Because I'm going purely off of what the OP is saying since CRTs should be structured in a way even people unfamiliar with the verse or character can understand.

Here

Based on the videos they seem to break the crystals by channeling their elemental power into them. That's what "focus" was referring to. Zane was already focusing enough to catch a flying shuriken so it's not like being offguard lowers their resistance or something.

So limited resistance at best still stands.

Meh, they were pretty much easily overcoming the Crystals. That's why they got "Resistance" and not Immunity to it

Again seems like limited resistance as they seem to only slow down the effects rather than resist them completely.

They were unfazed on those clips actually (where they ram throught the Crystal Warriors)

Is ALL the cm1 stuff accepted?

yes, just need to finish applying it to profiles

I think I've seen some darkness stuff here but there's stuff like Balance mentioned here which is why I'm asking. And the scans for high godly don't actually prove he got erased on a conceptual level (or even low on a low-godly level) nor that he regenerated (could be resurrection).

He can't die due to Immortality type 9

 

[REX9097]

Dimensional travel justifications just seem to be a range thing. A dimension having a special property that makes it harder to reach doesn't grant layers.

Of course, no, it doesn't depend on extent or anything, they are on the same level of existence, as they all exist within the Ethereal Divide.

To give resistance to dimensional travel and layered DT you'd need evidence of the dimension having some sort of resistance to dimensional travel, not simply having a requirement to be reached.

And this is what we see literally, since the Realms themselves are inaccessible, this literally gives them Resistance, like Legerdomain in Ben 10.

Turning people into crystal monsters is too vague by itself. Based on the image tho, this seems more like Possession and limited transformation.

This isn't Possession lol. The Overlord and his army literally turn people into Crystal which is literally Transmutation, Biological Manipulation, Corruption and this was previously accepted.

The videos don't seem to show resistance. It appears the crystals WERE affecting them but the ninja destroyed them. I could see limited resistance as they seemed to at least slow down the effects so they can destroy the crystals but they certainly didn't just fully resist the crystals.

First of all, this was accepted before. Second, in Dragon form are not affected by Crystal Worriers who if you touch them they will turn you into Crystal Monsters, and this proves that can resist effects of crystal.

 

[REX9097]

The Dark Matter stuff doesn't seem like Transmutation or bio manip. That's just poison and absorption stuff. And turning people into stone isn't Transmutation or bio manip either, it's petrification.

It literally turns people into black skinned people. Petrification it's literally "A sub-category of Transmutation"

 

[DavidTPPM]

Here

That really doesn't help. I don't see anything supporting the crystals being bio manip or Transmutation. And if there is such evidence and I just missed it, then it needs to be put into the OP

Meh, they were pretty much easily overcoming the Crystals. That's why they got "Resistance" and not Immunity to it

No, that's not what resistances and immunities are.
Being completely unaffected by some hax only gives RESISTANCE regardless of how unaffected you are. To quote the resistance page

Qualifying for Immunity is difficult, as no simple show of resistance is enough

Them being affected proves they didn't have a full on resistance and if they weren't affected they would ONLY get resistance, not immunity.

They were unfazed on those clips actually (where they ram throught the Crystal Warriors)

They were far from unfazed. They visibly struggled and the purple aura started going through their bodies and eyes while they started being covered in crystals. I'm really sorry but that's 100% not full on resistance.

I acknowledge they could seemingly slow down the spread of the crystals but the couldn't fully resist them and needed to break them.

yes, just need to finish applying it to profiles

Alrighty then. Why is it in this thread if it's on the profiles then?

He can't die due to Immortality type 9

That doesn't answer majority of my questions and simply could imply Lloyds (?) attack affected him even outside of the mortal plane. Immortality type 9 generally wouldn't protect you from CM1 erasure anyway since the entire concept of your being is being affected, not just your physical body.

 

[REX9097]

That doesn't answer majority of my questions and simply could imply Lloyds (?) attack affected him even outside of the mortal plane. Immortality type 9 generally wouldn't protect you from CM1 erasure anyway since the entire concept of your being is being affected, not just your physical body.

It was accepted as Regeneration. Secondly, it literally affects the Overlord's essence, which is darkness.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Of course, no, it doesn't depend on extent or anything, they are on the same level of existence, as they all exist within the Ethereal Divide.

Requirements like "becoming cursed" do not grant standard resistance to dimensional travel. Also double checking it, the scan doesn't even state you can't access it without being cursed. Simply that you cursed people reach it.

And simply being unable to reach a dimension doesn't grant resistance either as that could easily be many different issues like range or NPI. You would need a statement about the dimension having some sort of protection from dimensional travel to grant such a resistance.

And this is what we see literally, since the Realms themselves are inaccessible, this literally gives them Resistance, like Legerdomain in Ben 10.

Realms being inaccessible doesn't imply resistance/protection from dimensional travel.

This isn't Possession lol. The Overlord and his army literally turn people into Crystal which is literally Transmutation, Biological Manipulation, Corruption and this was previously accepted.

The scans shown only prove the people get controlled and grow crystals out of their body. That doesn't imply any sort of biological manipulation.

First of all, this was accepted before.

Irrelevant if the evidence is wrong.

Second, in Dragon form are not affected by Crystal Worriers who if you touch them they will turn you into Crystal Monsters, and this proves that can resist effects of crystal.

That touch in your example took solid several seconds while the example for their dragon form literally just knocked them over instantly so those 2 are incomparable. And that's not even mentioning the fact that unlike a civilian laying on the ground, the ninja probably knocked them over at FTL speeds so it wouldn't even be a fraction of a second of contact.

It literally turns people into black skinned people.

The scan says and show stone so unless you have other evidence I'll stick to that.

Petrification it's literally "A sub-category of Transmutation"

Yeah and ice manipulation is a subcategory of water manipulation but resisting ice manip won't give you resistance to water manip.

My point being that they only get resistance to that specific sub-category, not overall Transmutation.

It was accepted as Regeneration.

What about it? That doesn't mean I can't question it.

Secondly, it literally affects the Overlord's essence, which is darkness.

So? It would have to be completely erased to give Overlord high godly. And if it was erased then the concept of darkness should have seized to exist meaning there would be constant light at all times in Ninjago. Did that happen? Was there no dark during the night? Or in a closed room with turned off lights? Or in caves? If not the concept of darkness wasn't fully erased and Overlord wouldn't qualify for high godly regen.

If yes I'd like to see that since that sounds super funny

 

[REX9097]

The scans shown only prove the people get controlled and grow crystals out of their body. That doesn't imply any sort of biological manipulation.

Is still Transmutation lol

That touch in your example took solid several seconds while the example for their dragon form literally just knocked them over instantly so those 2 are incomparable. And that's not even mentioning the fact that unlike a civilian laying on the ground, the ninja probably knocked them over at FTL speeds so it wouldn't even be a fraction of a second of contact..

Irrelevant, it's just a scene being made longer by producers, and Cole literally said he'd turn you on instantly, even though Jay has FTL. Lollllll, the Ninja in base from literally have FTL and can't even touch it.

The scan says and show stone so unless you have other evidence I'll stick to that.

It's literally a metaphorical expression from Wu, Lol . It literally affects people's skinned here.

So? It would have to be completely erased to give Overlord high godly. And if it was erased then the concept of darkness should have seized to exist meaning there would be constant light at all times in Ninjago. Did that happen? Was there no dark during the night? Or in a closed room with turned off lights? Or in caves? If not the concept of darkness wasn't fully erased and Overlord wouldn't qualify for high godly regen.

It has been erased literally completely as it is mentioned in the scan. The Overlord literally regan himself and this means that Darkness has been repeated again, irrelevant. The scan literally says "The dark shadows lift and all is well again".

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Was there no dark during the night? Or in a closed room with turned off lights? Or in caves? If not the concept of darkness wasn't fully erased and Overlord wouldn't qualify for high godly regen.

Just clarifying: Light and Darkness in Ninjago (in the context of Balance, Overlord, etc.) simply mean Good and Evil.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Is still Transmutation lol

That isn't Transmutation no.
Turning into crystals =
Growing crystals =

Irrelevant, it's just a scene being made longer by producers,

Is there any evidence of this? Also any evidence the effect is passive? As in do they have to consciously send the energy into you like the ninja had to info the crystals to break them?

and Cole literally said he'd turn you on instantly, even though Jay has FTL. Lollllll, the Ninja in base from literally have FTL and can't even touch it.

So? Is Cole some sort of expert on these? And was Jay planning of just knocking them over? And are the Dragon techniques not faster? Lloyds profile puts it even above Spinjitzu which is such a huge blitz tier amp that someone tried arguing it for a 100x multiplier few months ago

FTL with FTL reactions, higher with Spinjitzu, even higher with the Rising Dragon Technique

So the contact period would still be incredibly short compared to both, the video with that random civilian, and compared to Jays regular punches.

It's literally a metaphorical expression from Wu, Lol . It literally affects people's skinned here.

Okay first of all how is it metaphorical? The target literally seemed to be stone.
Second of all, I never doubted it changing their skin color, stones tend to be of color different than the skin.
Lastly, that's a completely different effect than what the scan in the blog shows. This seems closer to corruption or possession.

It has been erased literally completely as it is mentioned in the scan.

Which scan says that again? Because I'm not seeing it anywhere.

The Overlord literally regan himself

Can I see proof of this?

and this means that Darkness has been repeated again, irrelevant. The scan literally says "The dark shadows lift and all is well again".

Dark shadows lifting doesn't translate to "the concept of darkness/evil has been erased"

Just clarifying: Light and Darkness in Ninjago (in the context of Balance, Overlord, etc.) simply mean Good and Evil.

Okay, thanks for the info. So literal darkness disappearing or "lifting" doesn't even support the concept erasure? And is there any evidence that all evil was erased?

Don't get me wrong I don't exactly have a reason to believe otherwise. But there seems to be a huge discrepancy between how extraordinary the claims being made in the OP are (high godly regen + CM1 erasure), and how little if any evidence seems to be supporting it (unless again, I missed it)

 

[Lloydblitzed]

RDT from DR S2 is not the same as Dragon Form from S16. Whole different amps

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Okay, thanks for the info. So literal darkness disappearing or "lifting" doesn't even support the concept erasure? And is there any evidence that all evil was erased?

Don't get me wrong I don't exactly have a reason to believe otherwise. But there seems to be a huge discrepancy between how extraordinary the claims being made in the OP are (high godly regen + CM1 erasure), and how little if any evidence seems to be supporting it (unless again, I missed it)

I think the reason why there is a little elaboration here is because a lot of stuff is already accepted and is on the profile:
Overlord's soul is the concept of Evil, and it was accepted that he can regenerate his soul, but taking these pieces of info together we can make a conclusion that he regenerated his own concept and soul, so High-Godly regeneration.

(I know that Mid-Godly has no justifications in the profile, but it's because after a CRT ability was added without justification FSR just like NEP)

 

[DavidTPPM]

I think the reason why there is a little elaboration here is because a lot of stuff is already accepted and is on the profile:
Overlord's soul is the concept of Evil, and it was accepted that he can regenerate his soul, but taking these pieces of info together we can make a conclusion that he regenerated his own concept and soul, so High-Godly regeneration.

Not really (I think?). I mean for that to be true we would need both evidence that his concept was COMPLETELY erased as well as evidence that he regenerated.

(I know that Mid-Godly has no justifications in the profile, but it's because after a CRT ability was added without justification FSR just like NEP)

That's understandable although idk why would anyone add such a controversial complex ability without any justification.

Not saying it makes the rating invalid or anything but it kinda ruins the point of even having the ability in the profile altogether if a person not knowledgeable on the verse can't piece where the rating comes from.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

That really doesn't help. I don't see anything supporting the crystals being bio manip or Transmutation. And if there is such evidence and I just missed it, then it needs to be put into the OP

It was accepted here

They were far from unfazed. They visibly struggled and the purple aura started going through their bodies and eyes while they started being covered in crystals. I'm really sorry but that's 100% not full on resistance.

I wasn't talking about that

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Not really (I think?). I mean for that to be true we would need both evidence that his concept was COMPLETELY erased as well as evidence that he regenerated.

If he can regen his soul, and it is concept of evil, shouldn't it automatically grant High-Godly? If he would not be able to regenerate from complete destruction of his soul (which is concept), then he wouldn't even have gotten Mid-Godly.

That's understandable although idk why would anyone add such a controversial complex ability without any justification.

Not saying it makes the rating invalid or anything but it kinda ruins the point of even having the ability in the profile altogether if a person not knowledgeable on the verse can't piece where the rating comes from.

Completely agree on that one. I can understand if it is some goofy Weapon Mastery, but NEP with Mid-Godly Regen? Nah.

 

[DavidTPPM]

It was accepted here

That's great but the justification just simply doesn't seem to fit bio manip or Transmutation.
And those hax have different types so if you want to use it for layering, you need to prove they fall under the same type.

Even if we were to say it's bio manip, the ability to resist shape change or body control won't necessarily grant resistance to manipulation on the genetic level. Same way resisting soul absorption won't protect you from soul destruction.

I wasn't talking about that

Then what did you talk about? Sorry I'm kinda getting lost in the replies a bit.

If he can regen his soul, and it is concept of evil, shouldn't it automatically grant High-Godly? If he would not be able to regenerate from complete destruction of his soul (which is concept), then he wouldn't even have gotten Mid-Godly.

Mid godly regeneration is from complete destruction of body, mind, and soul. Not just partial destruction of one of them.

That's why I'm saying you'd have to prove the concept was COMPLETELY erased from existence (alongside every other trace of him). Meaning as long as there's ANY sort of "evil" in the world his concept wasn't entirely destroyed and he could have just regenerated from that. At least that's how I understood it.

Completely agree on that one. I can understand if it is some goofy Weapon Mastery, but NEP with Mid-Godly Regen? Nah.

Yeah exactly. It's weird given the rest of the profile is relatively high quality with scans and references for everything, but then suddenly there's a gap for this

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

That's why I'm saying you'd have to prove the concept was COMPLETELY erased from existence (alongside every other trace of him). Meaning as long as there's ANY sort of "evil" in the world his concept wasn't entirely destroyed and he could have just regenerated from that. At least that's how I understood it.

You would be right if he had second type of Abstract Existence... but he has first. He embodies concept of evil in most literal sense. He is source of all of it (direct scan on the profile btw). So destroying him (his soul) = destroying the concept of evil.

Yeah exactly. It's weird given the rest of the profile is relatively high quality with scans and references for everything, but then suddenly there's a gap for this

His profile has zero references, but I get what you mean.

 

[coolgohan09]

Reminder the Dark and Light stuff in Ninjago is all conceptual, The overlord was supposed to be destroyed by the Light, his death, made the Dark and Light balance shift, so he had to come back from some conceptual blast. Btw in the season after he comes back his essence returns because he feeds on darkness and evil growing, that's his nature. Also like the user said his entire form is him being the concept of evil and represents dark in the balance, which Lloyd erased him and his dark in the balance

 

[coolgohan09]

Rex, should USM have passive cm or cm erasure doesn't his aura become a big explosion of light, to erase overlord

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Rex, should USM have passive cm or cm erasure doesn't his aura become a big explosion of light, to erase overlord

It’s a direct attack, not really a passive aura.

 

[coolgohan09]

It’s a direct attack, not really a passive aura.

didn't the light attack come from his aura?