Nincada Line Profile Revamp

[Bobsican]

Yeah, the current page has aged quite a bit, but now i've bothered to modernize it.

Main changes:

• Separated better each key, as currently it weirdly implies that everything is just Ninjask
• Added more P&As to the evolutionary line, notably blatant stuff such as Underground Mobility
• Added notable P&As granted by the IQ Skills in the Mystery Dungeon series
• Organized Shedinja as Wonder Guard has some effects depending on the current type of the user, which is relevant to avoid misleading in niche scenarios where Shedinja has its type changed by Soak, Magic Powder, or Terastallizing, more specifically separating innate resists from what's granted by Wonder Guard
• Expanded detail on Wonder Guard, its limitations, and by extension the Weakness section to avoid misunderstandings in scenarios where Shedinja's typing is changed, as well as separating by evolutionary line member

This should be a fairly simple CRT unless there's anything worth to discuss indexing-wise.

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good to me.

 

[Imaginym]

Has this been implemented?

 

[Bobsican]

Has this been implemented?

Not yet, is this sufficient staff approval?

 

[Imaginym]

Unsure. Should maybe contact Staff in the hopes of getting additional evaluation?

 

[Bobsican]

Depends on what @DarkDragonMedeus thinks, I'd think, this doesn't seem to be a controversial change.

 

[Imaginym]

Depends on what @DarkDragonMedeus thinks, I'd think, this doesn't seem to be a controversial change.

Fair.

While waiting for that, okay if I try & check for anything in it to further revise?

 

[Bobsican]

Sure.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Seems fine at a glance. But the Wonder Guard tabber is kinda lacking in any links/sources.

 

[Bobsican]

Okay, that's fixed now, hopefully.

 

[LaserPrecision]

It's better. Tho generally I think the wiki prefers you link scans rather than linking to wiki pages for people to have to scroll through and read. But I know it'd be hard to find scans of Wonder Guard blocking different types of attacks/abilities. Tho you could maybe upload some screenshots of Pokedex entries from some of the games as evidence for how it works.

 

[Imaginym]

Fair.

While waiting for that, okay if I try & check for anything in it to further revise?

Sure.

Nincada:

Ruby	Nincada lives underground for many years in complete darkness. This Pokémon absorbs nutrients from the roots of trees. It stays motionless as it waits for evolution.
Sapphire	Nincada lives underground. It uses its sharp claws to carve the roots of trees and absorb moisture and nutrients. This Pokémon can't withstand bright sunlight so avoids it.

Emerald	It makes its nest at the roots of a mighty tree. Using its whiskerlike antennae, it probes its surroundings in the pitch-black darkness of soil.

Diamond/Pearl/Platinum	It grows underground, sensing its surroundings using antennae instead of its virtually blind eyes.

Shield	It can sometimes live underground for more than 10 years. It absorbs nutrients from the roots of trees.

Weaknesses section for Nincada: Can't withstand bright sunlight & avoids it, & is virtually blind as it usually lives in pitch-black darkness underground, sometimes for over 10 years.

This is a little weird considering it has the ability Compound Eyes to give it better accuracy, but it could be possible its near-blindness is limited & its very good at certain types of vision. Some animals can detect motion very well but don't have full colour vision or can't see very fat, for example.

Enhanced Senses in Nincada's Key needs a justification.
On that note, Nincada using its "whiskerlike antennae" to "probe its surroundings" may qualify as Enhanced Senses or such. (So would it have both Enhanced & Hindered Senses, lol?)

Arguable missing Notable Attack/Technique for Level-Up Moves section: Leech Life

Notable Attacks/Techniques Section is missing an Egg Moves section.

Egg Moves include: Bug Bite, Bug Buzz, Endure, Feint Attack, Final Gambit, Flail, Gust, Night Slash, Silver Wind

Nincada's Notable Attacks/Techniques Section missing move(s): Bide

Nincada's Powers & Abilities mention Bug Buzz (An Egg Move) & Dig, which is a Level-Up move, but they aren't listed in Nincada's Notable Attacks/Techniques section.

Why list the Resistance like this?: Earth Manipulation (soft soils)
As opposed to "Ground-type moves" or such? (To say nothing of all the quake-like moves, & the oddity that is Earth Power.) But maybe that's a topic for another revision....

Is Mind Reader Precognition?
Its most recent description is:
"The user senses the target's movements with its mind to ensure its next attack does not miss the target."
I think this seems like Analytical Prediction or something.
FWIW, there is descriptions like in Stadium 2:

Stad2

It predicts the opponent's movement. The user's next attack will never miss.

Ninjask:

Ninjask's Notable Attacks/Techniques Section missing move(s): Baton Pass

Emerald	Because it darts about vigorously at high speed, it is very difficult to see. Hearing its distinctive cries for too long induces a headache.

Possible Pain Manipulation Justification? Also, further Sound Manipulation justification?

Shield	This Pokémon is so quick, it is said to be able to avoid any attack. It loves to feed on tree sap.

Relevant for Speed Justification?

From the sandbox:

• Infiltrator: Ninjask is able to bypass forcefields that would otherwise weaken or negate its attacks.

Questioning of the word "forcefield" here.

The official flavor texts/descriptions for the "Infiltrator" ability are:

Generation V
Passes through the foe's barrier and strikes.

Generation VI
Passes through the opposing Pokémon's barrier and strikes.

Generation VII
Passes through the opposing Pokémon's barrier, substitute, and the like and strikes.

Generation VIII
Passes through the opposing Pokémon's barrier, substitute, and the like and strikes.

Generation IX
The Pokémon's moves are unaffected by the target's barriers, substitutes, and the like.

Although Protect is depicted as such, Infiltrator passes many other barriers from moves that aren't Forcefields (Although not the effect of Barrier, funnily enough, lol.) themselves.
However, it also ignores the effects of moves such as Reflect, Light Screen, Safeguard, and Mist, & Aurora Veil.

This may also be notable, IDK:
In Pokémon Sword and Shield, if a Pokémon with Infiltrator is in the first place in the party (even if fainted), the chance of generating a random encounter is decreased by 87.5%.


Resistance to Plant Manipulation (via innate type combination)

I think this should be rephrased; Ninjask would still resist Grass-type moves even if it was only one of its two types of Bug or Flying; It's resistance isn't because it has those two types specifically, it's because both resist it & compound the resistance together.
Maybe "via innate typing"? That seems like it fits whether it's for single or dual typed. Does that seem reasonable?


I'll do Shedinja in a separate post.
I don't expect very much controversy, but just Nincada & Ninjask alone may be a lot so far.

Hopefully this is appreciable!