Nico Robin vs Kamen Rider Sabela

ALTERNATE TITLE: INSECTA ENCYCLOPEDIA DISASTER - THE FLOWER OF PLAGUE​

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Didn't knew that 6-C One Piece is still exist so here we are
And i recall that only one OP vs KR matches has made before, so why not we crack it up? Still i'm going to avoiding the controversial chars like Zoro and Katakuri for example, they bring nothing but atrocities lel

Going to start with One Piece Best Girl here, maybe i'm going to spam her, who know and depend on how much i get for her opponents
As for the Riders, let's say that i'm going to pick up the smoke girl from the series where the swordmaster there are in complete disaster in ridiculously good way....like seriously they are in same level as Raku-

Anyway let's get to the battle!

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The Archeologist of Straw Hat has found an interesting book which was called "Insecta Encyclopedia"
Founded by the peoples of Wano long ago in the past, the book contained every of insects and the element of smoke apperently, which wasn't exist in this world
However, the discovery of it was short lifed due of the arrival of Beast Pirates and started to rampaged around, resulted on Robin to defend herself and the peoples of Wano around her
The pirates destroyed the place where she were discovered the book, resulted in unexpected event.....the book was burned but it seems that it released short of "entity"...
Soon, the entity broke up and flied around in the form of smoke, started to attacked the pirates in ease, eliminated them
Robin who witnessed it, were surprised, moreso beceause the entiy then took up a form, revealed a female-like knight...a white-red-gold aesthetict of the armor
The figure then looked at Robin, and then pointed her with her rapier, looks like she's not friendly at all
No choice, Robin decided to fight against the mysterious knight! What would happen between the two next!?

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• Wano Country Arc/Onigashima Raid Robin and 6-C Zoous/Legielel Arc Sabela are used
• Speed are equalized
• Both are in-characters
• Place located in: Flower Capital
• Starting Range: 10 Meters
• Win via anything!!
• The Flower's Archeologist: 3 (Kachon, Roronoa, MonkeMan)
• The Insecta Swordmaster: 6 (Cino, Nice, Esesso, Lynier, Ixa, Kazuma)
• Inconclusive: 0

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VS

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[Kachon123]

What does Sabela start with

 

[IxaSaga2]

Mostly starts with her sword or her smoke.

 

[Nicetoderp]

So, question, how does Robin get pass Sabela's intang?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Bump!!

 

[Lynieryz]

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So, question, how does Robin get pass Sabela's intang?

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So, question, how does Robin get pass Sabela's Moku Moku No Mi?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

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Oh right, i forgot that Sabela smoke power is almost similar with Smoker Moku Moku no Mi power, so she should be at least have a knowledge upon it even with a different gimmick

 

[TheMonkeMan]

I don't think she'll be able to attack while she's in Smoke form so it's not really a wincon here.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

From what I could gather, Robins LS is greater than Sabela, so if she's able to do it fast enough, Robin can possibly break Sabela's neck, but going off of the Regen, it might not be enough.

Honestly that Intan will screw Robin over, and Sabela's stat amp can seemingly one shot Robin depending on how high it can get.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I just want to note that Sabela need to press the button on her sword to go intangtible, so you can argue that she can disarm it for prevented it
The activation of it however, it take a less of second to do so, which mean as you said, she need to do it fast enough

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Hmm, if Robin doesn't know about Sabela's Intan at all, it might take a little while before she figures it out, and by then it might be too late. If she does know about her ability to turn to smoke, then she could probably figure out pretty quickly about the button and restrain her.

What are their AP?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Her intelligence can cover it up, tho it will take a while for sure
Sabela AP is around 40 GT

 

[Eseseso]

Leaning Sabela due to intan and AP

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Since Sabela has the greater AP and her sword has dura neg, she likely kills Robin pretty quickly.

Robin wincon is to basically restrain Sabela (which wouldn't be too hard for her thanks to her DF) and remove the sword from her hand. Breaking her neck likely won't be enough if her Regen covers that, so she would have to try and beat the crap out of her while also restraining her.

This is actually pretty close.

 

[IxaSaga2]

Note that Sabela doesn't need to press the button every time to go into her smoke. One press will provide for a good portion of the fight.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

That does change things.

Honestly, if Robin doesn't have prior knowledge, then when she restrains Sabela, Sabela will go Intan and then attack Robin mad down her in probably a few hits cause of AP and dura neg.

If Robin does have prior knowledge, then she has to disarm Sabela before she presses the button or else the same might just happen.

Basically Sabela is more likely to take it.

 

[TheMonkeMan]

Doesn't she have to be tangible to attack though

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

True, but she can probably just pop in and out of intan and basically hit and run. I'm not sure if Robin would be able to restrain her in time, and even if she did, Sabela goes Intangible.

 

[Nicetoderp]

Sabela's sword also duraneg via cutting on particles level. So a good hit in and Robin is done.

While she need to goes out of her intang in order to hit her opponent she can make decoys via her smoke and cloaked herself to make it harder for her opponent to distinguish her from the clones.

 

[IxaSaga2]

She actually doesn't need go to out of intang to attack. There a link to her attacking in the smoke in her intang section in Q&A.

 

[Nicetoderp]

But she doesn't constantly attack opponent while staying in smoke form, most likely because that way Noroshi duraneg came into play.

But still I don't think Robin will be able to snap Sabela's neck in time against her intang.

 

[IxaSaga2]

But she doesn't constantly attack opponent while staying in smoke form, most likely because that way Noroshi duraneg came into play.

But still I don't think Robin will be able to snap Sabela's neck in time against her intang.

yea, she doesn't spam it all the time but it's an option.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Yeah Sabela takes this more times than not, Robin's window for victory is just so small compared to Sabela.

Not a stomp, but Sabela takes this more times than Robin.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Okay, i guess it's a wrap
@Mr.Cinos15 I'll count your vote now

 

[IxaSaga2]

I vote for Sabela too. Her wincons are far more stable.

 

[RoronoaxRobin]

While I did see the anime for the first time this year, I'm not that familiar with the Kamen Rider series.

So Robin really has no chance to win here? Even if she was to disarm Sabela of her sword just like she did Alabasta Zoro?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

While I did see the anime for the first time this year, I'm not that familiar with the Kamen Rider series.

Fuuto PI? Niiiice

So Robin really has no chance to win here? Even if she was to disarm Sabela of her sword just like she did Alabasta Zoro?

She still has a wincon albeit low, she can easily snap Reika/Sabela into oblivion if she's successfully catch her up

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

She can win, it's just that she has to disarm Sabela and then snap her up, but Sabela just has to press a button on her sword to go Intan, and seemingly just one press let's her go in and out of intan for a few minutes at will, which she can use for hit and run attacks. Attacks that likely one or two shots Robin. They can both take each other down pretty quickly, but Sabela's intangibility is just a hard counter against Robin.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

This is why Robin need the Haki in the series but for some reason she doesn't have it...yet

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Damn you Oda! Why are you keeping haki away from the rest of the crew!

 

[RoronoaxRobin]

The anime pretty much made it even more confusing about whether or not Robin has haki lol. She stopped a poison and haki enhanced Oiran Knuckle from Black Maria when in the past (even earlier in their fight) Robin avoided poison. Either that was due to haki or being a Demon makes Robin resistant to poison.

 

[RoronoaxRobin]

Robin can spawn her limbs instantaneously, but if Sabela can go intang quicker than that, I unfortunately don't see how Robin wins this...unless Robin catches her off guard, then disarms her of the sword, and then Clutches her. There's also Demonio Robin still pretty much being an Unknown.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Tbf, if this was Demonio Robin, things might be different. Her big size would mean that Sabela's slashes won't bisect her but instead cut her.

 

[RoronoaxRobin]

I still wonder if Demonio Robin is only just huge or if she can Robin can enter that form but still be human sized. I can't wait for Oda to explore that form so more (probably should've been doing it during the entire post-timeskip instead of waiting near the final saga to start doing that though lol)

 

[Nicetoderp]

Sabela fra.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

3 for Reika

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Tbf, if this was Demonio Robin, things might be different. Her big size would mean that Sabela's slashes won't bisect her but instead cut her.

She can use Demonio here i didn't restricted it, but for some reason you guys didn't use it as her major arguments until now lel

 

[TheMonkeMan]

Isn't this a stomp if Robin can't touch her?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Not entirely, she still has a chance to win and it's a big win (snap her into oblivion and Demonio shennanigans), it just she need to do it fast and quick to do so

 

[Kachon123]

Is it in character for Sabela to stay in smoke form for the entirety of the fight after she activates it?

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

She can use Demonio here i didn't restricted it, but for some reason you guys didn't use it as her major arguments until now lel

But would Sabela even let her transform?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Is it in character for Sabela to stay in smoke form for the entirety of the fight after she activates it?

Not quite from what i recall, she use the smoke form when she attacks or evading

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

But would Sabela even let her transform?

How much it take for Robin to transform into Demonio?

 

[Nicetoderp]

Is it in character for Sabela to stay in smoke form for the entirety of the fight after she activates it?

Not entirety, but she spam it a lot. It's basically her main ability and a good cut from her sword is basically an instant game over.

 

[RoronoaxRobin]

How much it take for Robin to transform into Demonio?

It seems like it only takes her but a second or so to transform

 

[RoronoaxRobin]

If Robin's allowed to transform, with Demonio Robin's unknown factor as a demon, plus the implication in the anime that Demonio Robin does have haki after all since she was able to touch Black Maria's poison, I'm voting Robin.

 

[Kachon123]

Not quite from what i recall, she use the smoke form when she attacks or evading

Not entirety, but she spam it a lot.

Okay.

I'm voting Robin then. It wouldn't take her long at all that theres a button that Sabela needs to click in order to turn into smoke. Robin would be able to survive several attacks as she has pretty impressive endurance. This would allow her to survive long enough to disarm Sabela and crack her spine.

 

[IxaSaga2]

If she were to transform into a demon, Sabela's sword would do even more damage given it's holy nature. Coupled by the fact that she has better Ap and dura negation, the demon form seems worse for Nico.

 

[IxaSaga2]

Not to mention Sabela has Pseudo-TP and Duplication to help her evade attacks. and Regeneration and Damage reduction to tank moves better than Nico would.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

If she were to transform into a demon, Sabela's sword would do even more damage given it's holy nature. Coupled by the fact that she has better Ap and dura negation, the demon form seems worse for Nico.

Well to be fair, Demonio is just a form of giant Robin took a demon-aesthetic to reflect her status as "demon child", not an actual demon so Reika holy power are unlikely going to work

 

[IxaSaga2]

Well to be fair, Demonio is just a form of giant Robin took a demon-aesthetic to reflect her status as "demon child", not an actual demon so Reika holy power are unlikely going to work

Then she's using its power which is very close to what Megids do in the second arc when humans became Megids. So it further proves my point that would work.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Then she's using its power which is very close to what Megids do in the second arc when humans became Megids. So it further proves my point that would work.

Really? What's the nature of Megids again?

 

[IxaSaga2]

Really? What's the nature of Megids again?

Megids are a whole bunch of things. Animals, Mythical beasts, story villains, etc.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Megids are a whole bunch of things. Animals, Mythical beasts, story villains, etc.

No no no, what i mean is the Megids Nature that somehow Robin Demonio is qualified for it based on what you said above

 

[IxaSaga2]

No no no, what i mean is the Megids Nature that somehow Robin Demonio is qualified for it based on what you said above

I...don't follow what you mean. Demonio is a demon form right? Seikens are just strong against any "evil" beings, not just Megids. Megids just happen to be part of the example. Either way, Holy Manip might even be redundant because of Durability Negation, which can just one shot if Sabela just goes for the head or something.

 

[Kachon123]

Demonio is a demon form right?

No

 

[IxaSaga2]

Then what is it besides getting stronger and bigger?

And how does it improve her win rate? Add on an already shaky wincon with another shaky wincon?

 

[Kachon123]

Then what is it besides getting stronger and bigger?

That's all it is.

 

[IxaSaga2]

That's all it is.

well...that doesn't seem very helpful. Especially considering what Saber riders like Sabela can do against giant enemies.

 

[Kachon123]

well...that doesn't seem very helpful. Especially considering what Saber riders like Sabela can do against giant enemies.

Wha do they do?

 

[Nicetoderp]

Wha do they do?

Dunk them.

Humongous enemy doesn't last long against Saber character.

Also I don't think Robin will actually last long enough against Sabela.

Miss, Regularly Comparable to Guy That Spam King Crimson and Countless Timelines Precog.

 

[Kachon123]

Dunk them.

Humongous enemy doesn't last long against Saber character.

Send scans?

Also I don't think Robin will actually last long enough against Sabela.

I believe that she would.

 

[Nicetoderp]

Send scans?

First Episode Kamen Rider Saber.

This was when Saber was actually the least skilled guy in the group and he basically twerk all over the Golem Megid as soon as it decide to grow big.

There's also Medusa Megid who got absolutely bodied by him around episode 8

I believe that she would.

A good cut from her duraneg sword is enough.

Combined with Reika smoke that fooled someone that can detected invisible peep through sound and her no nonsense approach, Robin wont last long.

Oh yeah, she also got a hit in on Saber AND Calibur, the guy who neg the guy who precog on countless timelines via skill AND the guy who actually precog on countless timelines respectively.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

One Piece skill aren't that far so Robin skill catch up on what Reika do even if the latter had more advantage in skill
Doesn't mention that Robin has trained under the Revolutionary Army

 

[Nicetoderp]

Even if that's the case I still don't see her actually last long enough to actually killed Reika.

And Reika can pretty much camp inside her smoke all the time when she found out her abilities.

And I'm pretty sure she can sneak behind Robin and lob off her head, especially when she can do it in someone like Calibur.

Hmm, I do have to check again if she tagged Elemental Dragon Saber, but knowing that her brother can casually tagged Saikou and ED Saber I think she can too.

 

[Nicetoderp]

And I'm pretty sure that pressing button is faster than growing arms and disarming her.

Least skill Saber Rider are basically immune to getting blitz so I don't think that it will happened, and even if it did, it won't be easy.

 

[Kachon123]

A good cut from her duraneg sword is enough.

Based on?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

And I'm pretty sure that pressing button is faster than growing arms and disarming her.

Arguable, since Robin spawned the arms very quick, it's the matter of which one of them "draw the gun" faster

 

[Nicetoderp]

Based on?

Based on the fact that it duraneg? Did Robin resist being cut on molecular/particles level? She will be slice through like a hot knife cutting butter.

Arguable, since Robin spawned the arms very quick, it's the matter of which one of them "draw the gun" faster

Reika hand is always on the trigger, she will notice Robin's abilities to spawn her arms on people so her vigilance will only increased against her.

 

[Kachon123]

Based on the fact that it duraneg? Did Robin resist being cut on molecular/particles level? She will be slice through like a hot knife cutting butter.

If Sabela cuts off her arm, she could technically just make a new one with her devil fruit.

 

[Nicetoderp]

Also on the "potentially have Haki" part.

How many layers of it is on since you need at least a layer of NPI to hit her due to every Saber Riders already being able to "hit" other elements but are unable to hit Reika and the like.

 

[Nicetoderp]

If Sabela cuts off her arm, she could technically just make a new one with her devil fruit.

Cool.

She swipe her sword across Robin's body then, or her head.

And even if she did block with her arm then the swing will continue. Sabela have no problem going for the kill since she's the Sword of Logos equivalent of an assassin so it's likely that she'll goes straight for the kill rather than just merely incapping her.

She was able to easily sneak a hit in on Saber, Calibur and regularly sparring with her brother.

The former two feats of precog I already mentioned, her brother sword casually messed with causality akin to King Crimson from JoJo.

 

[Kachon123]

She swipe her sword across Robin's body then, or her head.

And Robin just dodges?

 

[Nicetoderp]

And Robin just dodges?

People who have instinctive reaction, countless timelines precog and people that punk those and so on have a hard time dodging.

I highly doubt that she can.

Combined with the fact that her smoke messed with people with enhance senses, making clones, decoy and so on I don't think Robin will last.

 

[Kachon123]

People who have instinctive reaction, countless timelines precog and people that punk those and so on have a hard time dodging.

I highly doubt that she can.

What about her attacks make them hard to dodge?

 

[Nicetoderp]

What about her attacks make them hard to dodge?

Easily attack from blind spots, decoys, constant in and out as if she weren't there at all.

And above all else, sheer skill that completely trump all of the above as if the abilities weren't there at all.

 

[IxaSaga2]

What about her attacks make them hard to dodge?

Her precision and her feats speak for themselves. Being able to pinpoint enemies with speed amps, being able to go toe to toe against people with crazy senses, haxes, and precog. Being able to defeat multiple extraordinary genius swordsmen.

The wincon for Nico is so shaky while Sabela have so much options. It also seems like Nico is just perma fighting on the backfoot. Even if Nico catches Sabela, Sabela can TP, can smoke dodge. She can chain her smoke, she can use her fragrance, she can sprout spider legs to cut any of the arms that grab her, she can use her web that limits movement.

While Nico has no defense against Dura Neg nor explosion manip.

 

[Kachon123]

Easily attack from blind spots

Nico Robin can just bloom multiple eyes around the battlefield so that won't be a thing.

decoys

Robin can just make clones.

constant in and out as if she weren't there at all.

That makes no sense.

 

[Kachon123]

Being able to pinpoint enemies with speed amps

She was able to catch Hakuba, someone who was FTE to her.

 

[Kachon123]

Robin has durability negation herself as well.

 

[IxaSaga2]

Robin has durability negation herself as well.

She won't be able to hit because of intang.

She was able to catch Hakuba, someone who was FTE to her.

What about being able to predict time-skips and fight evenly with person who can precog countless timelines?

Sabela's opponents like Saber Dragonic Knight at this point have 3d vision which is able to see everything in there vicinity.

 

[Nicetoderp]

Nico Robin can just bloom multiple eyes around the battlefield so that won't be a thing.

Dragonic Knight 3D vision around him and that doesn't work. Hell, Elemental Dragon have instinctive intang and she was able to sneak through it.

That makes no sense.

Basically attack and disappear into smoke.

She was able to catch Hakuba, someone who was FTE to her.

Cool.

Several Riders also do the same thing, she beat those down with ease.

Robin has durability negation herself as well

Have to hit through intang, and against someone who trump ALLLLLL of those haxes above via sheer skill.

And then she have to do so through her regen while a swipe will done Robin in

 

[Kachon123]

She won't be able to hit because of intang.

Apparently Sabela in character doesn't stay in smoke form the entire fight.

 

[IxaSaga2]

Apparently Sabela in character doesn't stay in smoke form the entire fight.

That's only because the ability doesn't activate for the whole fight but she can chain it. For example, her fight with Buster and Slash. Also, it's reactionary, so if an attack come her way, you can bet that she will go for intang as a first instinct.

Also, KR has this thing where the enemy explodes to pieces once enough damage accumulates so that can easily keep down Nico.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I've updated the votes in the OP, unless i'm missing Ixa vote

 

[TheMonkeMan]

I'll vote Robin FRA.

 

[Nicetoderp]

Not sure how Robin is winning this, even if she transformed, she will still encounter the problem of actually hitting her while Sabela can just work her way cutting Robin's neck.

 

[Lynieryz]

Sabela FRA

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Counted
I want to vote Sabela but right now i want to see more of the arguments before casting my vote

 

[Nicetoderp]

To reiterate about Robin potentially have Haki.

How many layered does she have in NPI with Haki? You need at least a layer to interact with her smoke form, AND THEN you wouldn't even be able to damage her anyway because THS Blades are unable to do so through his Absolute Zero freeze her solid.

 

[Eminiteable]

She doesn't have haki

 

[Nicetoderp]

She doesn't have haki

I address the person above me who used that as an argument.

 

[IxaSaga2]

Oh I didn't vote yet mb. Sabela FRA.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Counted
Gonna update the OP tomorrow with the summary

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Sabela FRA

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Ah shoot, one more votes

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Bump!!

 

[MagiSinbad]

Sabela FRA

 

[IxaSaga2]

and that's grace

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Well good job everyone, a great debate
Now excuse me, gonna make more Sabela and Robin matches later on