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Well, I suppose that Ryukama's version looks fine. It is just that we use different profile pages for different versions of other characters, such as Superman, so I am uncertain if this works in terms of consistency.
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New Sonic Page Controversy
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@Ant
Other wikis use this format for alternate versions of characters.
For example, the Type-Moon wiki utilizes a similar template for the alternate versions of their Servants to provide easy and neat linkage to different versions of a character.
Here are a few examples.
Other wikis use this format for alternate versions of characters.
For example, the Type-Moon wiki utilizes a similar template for the alternate versions of their Servants to provide easy and neat linkage to different versions of a character.
Here are a few examples.
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Well Sera's original template also goes against the way we typically do things. I don't think there'd be much harm in a single exception. Especially if it'd make the page better.
Also some of these are just separate forms rather than different versions.
Like I said though, I'm fine with this not being used, however this was a suggested solution I had.
People want the pages to be neater. The tabber makes it somewhat neater. And easier to read since each section is standalone. Instead of having a bunch of other keys and stats and explanations right next to them.
Some people want separate profiles. This is the exact same effect as separate profiles. However each profile is conveniently on one page. Users don't have to search around to multiple pages. Newer users don't have to be initially confused and have to find other pages.
And while I don't mind Sera's template too much, many people did not like it. So I'm simply trying to help with another solution if people want.
Also some of these are just separate forms rather than different versions.
Like I said though, I'm fine with this not being used, however this was a suggested solution I had.
People want the pages to be neater. The tabber makes it somewhat neater. And easier to read since each section is standalone. Instead of having a bunch of other keys and stats and explanations right next to them.
Some people want separate profiles. This is the exact same effect as separate profiles. However each profile is conveniently on one page. Users don't have to search around to multiple pages. Newer users don't have to be initially confused and have to find other pages.
And while I don't mind Sera's template too much, many people did not like it. So I'm simply trying to help with another solution if people want.
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@Ryu
Fair enough. I like the idea of separating disparate continuities into separate pages and providing easy links to each of them through Sera's format is all.
The tabber is neater for different forms, but I like what Sera has done for things like mainstream Sonic vs Sonic Boom.
Fair enough. I like the idea of separating disparate continuities into separate pages and providing easy links to each of them through Sera's format is all.
The tabber is neater for different forms, but I like what Sera has done for things like mainstream Sonic vs Sonic Boom.
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I don't mind Sera's format like I said. But several others disliked it, and I'm providing another possible solution if people want. And this tabber also does the exact same effect as separate profiles, with the convenience of a single page.
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Well, I suppose that Sera's format might work in conjunction with Ryukama's then. However, it currently has some unfinished profile segments, and the other pages scaled from Sonic have allegedly not been properly updated, so perhaps we should temporarily revert the page until everything is properly prepared?
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@Ant Because that was just an example of how the basic idea of the format would work. If this is actually used the profile segments and all would be properly added.
But again, it's whatever most people want, since I'm just trying to suggest different things to help people out with deciding what they want.
But again, it's whatever most people want, since I'm just trying to suggest different things to help people out with deciding what they want.
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I think it should be done like this:
Tier: 8-A | 5-B | At least 5-A | Low 2-C | Varies. From 5-B to at least 5-A to 4-A to 2-B
Attack Potency: Multi-City Block level+ (Sonic CD feat) | Planet level (Defeated Chaos with 6 emerads, which allowed the Space Colony Arc to produce this much energy) | At least Large Planet level (Harmed Dark Gaia and defeated Perfect Chaos) | Universe level+ (Defeated Alf Layla that was going to recreate the Arabian Nights reality) | Varies. From Planet level (Classic) to at least Large Planet level (Dreamcast: The full power of the emeralds should be much more powerful than six of them) to Multi-Solar System level (Modern: By the Final Egg Blaster feat) to Multiverse level (Sonic 06: The three Super Forms were able to defeat Solaris)
Speed: At least FTL in his three eras (Is considered "faster than light" in an official source and had his speed scientifically measured by one of Eggman's machines to exceed light. To which Sonic said that lightspeed was nothing to him. Although he couldn't completely outrun a Black Hole, he did do so for a large period of time) | Unknow. At least FTL+, likely higher (Far swifter than in base form) | At least FTL+, likely higher (Far faster than base [Solaris was not moving nor showcasing a movement speed during the fight, which allowed them to keep up with him])
Note: If the Solaris feat is considered outlier the Super forms will be Varies. From 5-B to at least 5-A to 4-A.
Key: Classic | Dreamcast | Moder | Darkspine | Super Sonic
Sera, what do you think about this?
Tier: 8-A | 5-B | At least 5-A | Low 2-C | Varies. From 5-B to at least 5-A to 4-A to 2-B
Attack Potency: Multi-City Block level+ (Sonic CD feat) | Planet level (Defeated Chaos with 6 emerads, which allowed the Space Colony Arc to produce this much energy) | At least Large Planet level (Harmed Dark Gaia and defeated Perfect Chaos) | Universe level+ (Defeated Alf Layla that was going to recreate the Arabian Nights reality) | Varies. From Planet level (Classic) to at least Large Planet level (Dreamcast: The full power of the emeralds should be much more powerful than six of them) to Multi-Solar System level (Modern: By the Final Egg Blaster feat) to Multiverse level (Sonic 06: The three Super Forms were able to defeat Solaris)
Speed: At least FTL in his three eras (Is considered "faster than light" in an official source and had his speed scientifically measured by one of Eggman's machines to exceed light. To which Sonic said that lightspeed was nothing to him. Although he couldn't completely outrun a Black Hole, he did do so for a large period of time) | Unknow. At least FTL+, likely higher (Far swifter than in base form) | At least FTL+, likely higher (Far faster than base [Solaris was not moving nor showcasing a movement speed during the fight, which allowed them to keep up with him])
Note: If the Solaris feat is considered outlier the Super forms will be Varies. From 5-B to at least 5-A to 4-A.
Key: Classic | Dreamcast | Moder | Darkspine | Super Sonic
Sera, what do you think about this?
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wasn't team super sonic-shadow-silver beating solaris considered an outlier ?
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Yeah...reading that aloud and I remember my initial sentiment about that.
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I keep repeating myself but the reason why Riders and Forces are empty is because I ended up having to post the thing before I was actually finished due to suddenly being in pain, which caught me off guard.
That's no different than how for the longest time, the Masadaverse page had links that lead to pages that don't exist yet. There's nothing wrong with the template. I can change both its color and even the size of the tabs. So what's the issue?
I am still leaning towards separate pages due to consistency potrayal. Also, why is powerscaling still being brought up? I know we had this talk back in May, but it was agreed upon that after Sonic's page was updated, another thread will follow to discuss powerscaling and that's what my era/timeline blog is for.
That being said, it would better if all the game versions of Sonic were subpages to Sonic the Hedgehog (Game Character). The same with the Archie versions being subpages of Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Pre-Genesis Wave), and Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie)/Pre Genesis Wave and Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie)/Post Genesis Wave are better titles at that.
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Looks much better, thank you. But I'm still against Super Sonic's tier, which is why I want separate pages above all else.
That's no different than how for the longest time, the Masadaverse page had links that lead to pages that don't exist yet. There's nothing wrong with the template. I can change both its color and even the size of the tabs. So what's the issue?
I am still leaning towards separate pages due to consistency potrayal. Also, why is powerscaling still being brought up? I know we had this talk back in May, but it was agreed upon that after Sonic's page was updated, another thread will follow to discuss powerscaling and that's what my era/timeline blog is for.
That being said, it would better if all the game versions of Sonic were subpages to Sonic the Hedgehog (Game Character). The same with the Archie versions being subpages of Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Pre-Genesis Wave), and Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie)/Pre Genesis Wave and Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie)/Post Genesis Wave are better titles at that.
@Dark649
Looks much better, thank you. But I'm still against Super Sonic's tier, which is why I want separate pages above all else.
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Well, I am just saying that it might be better to temporarily revert the revision of the page until you get the time to update all of the related profile statistics in one go, as othervise casual visitors will find the inconsistency confusing.
In addition, the page currently looks incomplete with two sections missing.
I hope that you will get well soon btw.
In addition, the page currently looks incomplete with two sections missing.
I hope that you will get well soon btw.
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Super Sonic is literally stronger in attack potency against beings empowered by negative energy, the base tier however is the problem it's inconsistent between Adventure Sonic and Modern Sonic. With Adventure being 5-A and Modern being At least Low 2-C.
I don't like "At least Large Planet level, at most Multi-Universe level, much higher against beings empowered by negative energy." That's too much when there also needs to be an explanation/AP description.
I don't like "At least Large Planet level, at most Multi-Universe level, much higher against beings empowered by negative energy." That's too much when there also needs to be an explanation/AP description.
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Alright. If anyone is willing to revert the edit, please do. Someone will also need to restore the old Sonic the Hedgehog Boom page and delete Sonic the Hedgehog (Game Character)/Boom.
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Those new tabs look pretty neat
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I agree with Repp that Sera's template is very nice and useful, and can be added to a ton of pages, like Goku, Superman, Dante, Saber.
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Understood.
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Template:Tab is just a way to organize subpages. Even without it, it would still be preferable to make pages of the same character/continuity be subpages instead of individual pages (this doesn't even change our page count either). This also will automatically categorize pages as well and make things much easier in the long run, so if you're against the use of sub pages simply because "we've never did them before", think about that first.
Game Sonic and all his versions are one composite page.
Archie Sonic and all his versions are another, for example.
Game Sonic and all his versions are one composite page.
Archie Sonic and all his versions are another, for example.
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On top of it I think it's far more practical and also more visually appealing than disambiguation pages.
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Disambiguation pages are still a necessity though. For example, using Sonic:
Sonic Verse pages
Sonic (Game)
Sonic (OVA)
Sonic (Sonic X)
So on and so forth. The bulletins are the subpages, it's far more organized that way.
Sonic Verse pages
- Game Universe
- Archie Universe
Sonic (Game)
- Classic
- Adventure
- Modern
- Boom
- Forces
- Pre Genesis
- Post Genesis
- King Sonic
Sonic (OVA)
Sonic (Sonic X)
So on and so forth. The bulletins are the subpages, it's far more organized that way.
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You're gonna making a page for King Sonic? 
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I like the template idea.
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Separate pages are the only way. It makes no sense to have Class Sonic, Adventure Sonic, and Modern Sonic, then have one key for Super that applies to all three. It doesn't work like that.
The power of Super Sonic drastically changes from the different eras just like Base Sonic, yet people call Modern Super Sonic's 2-C feats outliers because of Adventure Super Sonic's 5-A and 4-A feats...when they don't do the same thing for the base version of Sonic...what logic is that??
The power of Super Sonic drastically changes from the different eras just like Base Sonic, yet people call Modern Super Sonic's 2-C feats outliers because of Adventure Super Sonic's 5-A and 4-A feats...when they don't do the same thing for the base version of Sonic...what logic is that??
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The fact that Sally doesn't exist in the games calls that into question. Also, post genesis universe, quick question: is it countless or infinite?
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Infinite.
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