Natatsunotaizai(speed)

[qtAspire]

Why is the sins verse so slow? I can see how you can debunk gowthers light arrows but i do not see how you can debunk the goddess races light. I understand that just because in a show says "light" does not mean light speed. But even so it was described that the godess race uses genuine light particles actual light particles and no matter how you try to debunk it light particles will move at light speed. Also zeldris was flat out stated to be faster than light. This was stated by Ludociel who is known for his speed and who also uses light magic. There are also characters that use beams. A beam also moves at light speed. We have seen nanshi see the beam coming and quick draw to counter the beam. With this being said People who have reacted to beams or scale to people that have should be ftl.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Scans and proof. Very very first thing to do for any CRT.

We don't take "bro just trust me" here.

 

[Lormac_CC]

Can't Taizai get some rest

 

[Lormac_CC]

Scans are very important in any CRT

 

[DaReaperMan]

Can't Taizai get some rest

No

 

[qtAspire]

never said bro trust me . I just was waiting for someone to recognize me before i actually put work into the scans.

 

[qtAspire]

Well i realize just because it says light doesn’t mean light speed. And i know that earlier in a taizai speed discussion the light concept was debunked but i still stand to reason that sins are ftl . First is the spell exterminate ray. This spell is described as a disintegration beam according to wiki.

https://nanatsu-no-taizai.fandom.com/wiki/Spells ( you will see exterminate ray)
As we know beams travel at light speed based off of statements of scientist and google. We have also seen characters react these beams like chandler.

As you can see above merlin fires her beam then chandler reacts and fires her beam. And before anyone says "if it was actuallu sol then merlins beam would have been closer to to chandler since he fired first" Chandler's beam was a lot more powerful(as you can see in the size difference) so it overpowered her beam and pushed it back.

Another point is Zeldris's ominous nebula. It was flat out stated to be faster than light.

People try to say what ludociel said was a hyperbole/idiom but to debunk that he literally said that it is not an exaggeration which is literally what a hyperbole is.
Characters like mael have also reacted to this speed feat also.

As you can see he casts it pulls his sword and melted zeldris's blade.

We can also use mael's attack :arrows of salvation. This attack is a literal ark beam.

king could not react to the beam in this show but

AS you can see he easily reacted to it then.

This statement proves my point also -

It says the goddess race uses light particles. It is a proven fact that light particles move at light speed no matter how you try to debunk it.
I have seen people say that it did not look like it was a reflection off of diane's skin but Light has been proven to be able to bounce off of things too. And even so it is fiction, the author is not going to draw a literally reflection of light. Plus not everything is always going to be consistent in any show People ALSO say that the light curved so it is not actually light. The goddess race literally manipulates light. They have made various objects out of light too. For example mael's light saucers.

And at the end , even you try to debunk all of that we still know that a beam moves a light speed.(look it up)
The gray demons shoot beams from their mouth. (https://nanatsu-no-taizai.fandom.com/wiki/Gray_Demons)(states they can use beams right above abilities)
(one doing it)

And nanshi does this

Better manga version below

Clearly reacts to a beam right there and many characters scale to an above a to him.

 

[theultimate5105]

Not all beams are LS

 

[Yar_R_agi_7k]

Also zeldris was flat out stated to be faster than light. This was stated by Ludociel who is known for his speed and who also uses light magic.

Another point is Zeldris's ominous nebula. It was flat out stated to be faster than light.

No, this was due to a mistranslation. Such a thing never happened. Here is the true translation;

 

[qtAspire]

No, this was due to a mistranslation. Such a thing never happened. Here is the true translation;

fair enough but but i made multiple points

 

[qtAspire]

Not all beams are LS

yes they are bro. Beams are light speed. Or it would not be a beam. The literal definition is a ray or shaft of light. And if you dont believe me search it up

 

[DaReaperMan]

yes they are bro. Beams are light speed. Or it would not be a beam. The literal definition is a ray or shaft of light. And if you dont believe me search it up

We have some pretty set guidelines for Light Speed and such, please read this.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Now you do not have to meet all qualifications, only about 2 or 3, but they are set in stone for the most part.

 

[qtAspire]

well it does say that it only needs to meet a few so.....

 

[qtAspire]

It did reflect/ bounce off of diane when she turned completely into metal,it was stated to be composed of photons and light from monspeet who is a demon which is an enemy of the goddess race. He has also fought the highest teirs in the godess race. The author himself also stated that the supreme goddess face was light itself so that proves the godess race uses actual light.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Sigh this wont go anywhere in the end.
Gowther arrows are called light iirc and they are extremely slow, so yes in the verse been called light does not mean it moves at light speed.
and zeldris was never said to be faster than light slow ur roll man that was a wrong translation.
and do read our guide line for light speed

 

[qtAspire]

yeah thats why i did not include gowther. I used wiki describing beams and the statement "light particles"

 

[qtAspire]

Sigh this wont go anywhere in the end.
Gowther arrows are called light iirc and they are extremely slow, so yes in the verse been called light does not mean it moves at light speed.
and zeldris was never said to be faster than light slow ur roll man that was a wrong translation.
and do read our guide line for light speed

and i also realize that it was a wrong translation

 

[theultimate5105]

Literally almost every verse with a Energy system has beams like DBZ with a ton of beams that are not LS

 

[SirAlex09]

No, this was due to a mistranslation. Such a thing never happened. Here is the true translation;

Do we have an official translation? Like from Crunchyroll?

 

[Rabbit2002]

yeah thats why i did not include gowther. I used wiki describing beams and the statement "light particles"

https://vsbattles.com/threads/final-nnt-speed-revision.79616/

 

[qtAspire]

even if so , you’re really telling me that meliodas is massively hypersonic from the beginning of the series and the end. We specifically know they got faster because of the fact that king could not dodge the light beam then powered up and then could . Also camelot was 2 days away from the sins and chandler jumped there within like 15 seconds. Gil thunder was blitzed by hendrickson before gil even knew what happened. And also galand a instantaneous jump is also massively hyper sonic ? either way it go i just don’t feel that in the beginning of the series is not the same speed teir as eos. also here ()

 

[PrinceofPein]

lol

 

[qtAspire]

even if not ftl , then definitely higher than hyper sonic

 

[PrinceofPein]

even if not ftl , then definitely higher than hyper sonic

all your reasons are wrong, how long do you think it takes a bullet to travel what it will take a human 2 days walk? How fast is a bullet?
And Galand definitely did not use 15 seconds, he used 15 jumps, so yes he used way longer than 15 seconds, and ark is not light speed the fact that it is a form of construct already debunked that, neither is the ominous nebula ftl, neither is the grace light speed.

so all in all, this is just wrong. you probably mean well but you are new so yes it is given. but read the speed and light speed page

 

[qtAspire]

i didn’t mean galand i means chandler . When he jumped from camelot to where the sins were and it only took a like 15 seconds .

 

[PrinceofPein]

i didn’t mean galand i means chandler . When he jumped from camelot to where the sins were and it only took a like 15 seconds .

great he has supersonic travel speed, that is if the 15 secs is not head canon

you have brought no reason for an upgrade of their current speed tier

 

[DaReaperMan]

This discussion and reasoning is bad comedy I'm sorry.

 

[qtAspire]

all your reasons are wrong, how long do you think it takes a bullet to travel what it will take a human 2 days walk? How fast is a bullet?
And Galand definitely did not use 15 seconds, he used 15 jumps, so yes he used way longer than 15 seconds, and ark is not light speed the fact that it is a form of construct already debunked that, neither is the ominous nebula ftl, neither is the grace light speed.

so all in all, this is just wrong. you probably mean well but you are new so yes it is given. but read the speed and light speed page

already did i gave up on light speed because it don’t make since even if it’s inconsistent light particles are light particles and y’all aren’t accepting that. but you’re not gonna sit here and tell me that bos meliodas is in the same speed teir as eos meliodas. gil thunder is massively hypersonic and was blitzed hendrickson . Ban was stated to have an overwhelming speed advantage of meliodas who was massively hypersonic. then meliodas was flat out destroyed by galand in everything aspect. The merlin states he instantly moved out of the range of her magic and we know she can teleport the sins from lioness to camelot in one go and if he was able to surpass that completely then how is it still massively hypersonic. And even so meliodas straight up blitzed him entirely so i’m not getting how they are only hypersonic

 

[qtAspire]

great he has supersonic travel speed, that is if the 15 secs is not head canon

you have brought no reason for an upgrade of their current speed tier

 

[qtAspire]

the scaling itself doesn’t make since . Like we get lightning speed gil and have people with teirs wayyyy superior to gil yet they are in the same teir as him . so your gonna tell me that bos gil thunder is in the same speed teir ludociel. does that even sound right

 

[DaReaperMan]

the scaling itself doesn’t make since . Like we get lightning speed gil and have people with teirs wayyyy superior to gil yet they are in the same teir as him . so your gonna tell me that bos gil thunder is in the same speed teir ludociel. does that even sound right

There aren't better speed feats that I know of so... yeh.

 

[PrinceofPein]

already did i gave up on light speed because it don’t make since even if it’s inconsistent light particles are light particles and y’all aren’t accepting that. but you’re not gonna sit here and tell me that bos meliodas is in the same speed teir as eos meliodas. gil thunder is massively hypersonic and was blitzed hendrickson . Ban was stated to have an overwhelming speed advantage of meliodas who was massively hypersonic. then meliodas was flat out destroyed by galand in everything aspect. The merlin states he instantly moved out of the range of her magic and we know she can teleport the sins from lioness to camelot in one go and if he was able to surpass that completely then how is it still massively hypersonic. And even so meliodas straight up blitzed him entirely so i’m not getting how they are only hypersonic

have you read how freaking speed page?
like have you?

Speed

Speed is simply how fast a character can move in a given amount of time. There are five types of speed used for VS purposes: Attack Speed, Combat Speed, Reaction Speed, Travel Speed, and Flight Speed. The term "Speed" normally refers to Combat Speed. The speed at which an attack moves. For...

vsbattles.fandom.com

you do realize the difference between baseline MHS+ and highest is millions of mph?

 

[qtAspire]

There aren't better speed feats that I know of so... yeh.

istg this site makes no sense lmfao y’all still got mel at island level when the author confirmed that he is relative to chaos and and stronger than the demon king who’s at least star level via equality to sumpreme goddess . But if you wanna debunk that he’s at least planetary to large planetary . y’all have arthur at star level and cath at island level but he literally absorbed a percentage of chaos. The entire wiki for the series just doesn’t make sense . I guess ima just have to wait for four knights of the apocalypse for y’all to realize because the characters are already plenary

 

[DaReaperMan]

istg this site makes no sense lmfao y’all still got mel at island level when the author confirmed that he is relative to chaos and and stronger than the demon king who’s at least star level via equality to sumpreme goddess . But if you wanna debunk that he’s at least planetary to large planetary . y’all have arthur at star level and cath at island level but he literally absorbed a percentage of chaos. The entire wiki for the series just doesn’t make sense . I guess ima just have to wait for four knights of the apocalypse for y’all to realize because the characters are already plenary

This is not the thread to discuss this, please make another content revision thread with scans and all of that jazz

I am not knowledgeable at all on NNT so I cannot say why.

 

[qtAspire]

This is not the thread to discuss this, please make another content revision thread with scans and all of that jazz

I am not knowledgeable at all on NNT so I cannot say why.

yeah i’ll quit on speed for now but for the scaling in power there is literally no way to debunk me , i’m getting them to at least large planetary to star level

 

[Rabbit2002]

istg this site makes no sense lmfao y’all still got mel at island level when the author confirmed that he is relative to chaos and and stronger than the demon king who’s at least star level via equality to sumpreme goddess . But if you wanna debunk that he’s at least planetary to large planetary . y’all have arthur at star level and cath at island level but he literally absorbed a percentage of chaos. The entire wiki for the series just doesn’t make sense . I guess ima just have to wait for four knights of the apocalypse for y’all to realize because the characters are already plenary

This thread is discussing about speed, not power.

 

[DaReaperMan]

yeah i’ll quit on speed for now but for the scaling in power there is literally no way to debunk me , i’m getting them to at least large planetary to star level

You'd be surprised. We thought the same way about Uni+ Mario and he's going down to at least Star Level now.

 

[PrinceofPein]

istg this site makes no sense lmfao y’all still got mel at island level when the author confirmed that he is relative to chaos and and stronger than the demon king who’s at least star level via equality to sumpreme goddess . But if you wanna debunk that he’s at least planetary to large planetary . y’all have arthur at star level and cath at island level but he literally absorbed a percentage of chaos. The entire wiki for the series just doesn’t make sense . I guess ima just have to wait for four knights of the apocalypse for y’all to realize because the characters are already plenary

Dude you are ******* new, so honestly it seems you joined here to push some agenda.

first Cath, Dk, the Supreme goddess, the star level or whatever u see there does not scale to their AP it is enviromental destruction/creation feat or by reality warping

 

[qtAspire]

This thread is discussing about speed, not power.

i literally just told the other dude that i’m going to give up on speed and make another one about power , try reading then talking