Naruto VS Ichigo

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Can Naruto see Ichigo?

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no

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Oh yeah, he isn't able to in this Key.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

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Should be able to sense him, mostly.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Actually it's not a reoccurring problem lol, your two are like the first ones to like ever ask about it and attempt to contest it.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

A "can destroy souls" gives no info on mechanics and all that. Not sure how that didn't get expanded on in past crts if it's a reoccurring problem. Putting "Was able to nearly kill X despite the latter using a puppet body by hitting them" could definitly change a lot.

Very simple really quincy use soul hax with their arrows they shoot the arrows with their bows and once the arrows hit it erases the target if they dont have enougt soul hax ressistance this is basic bleach 101

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

The verse is under heavy revisions for AP stuff and reworking profiles, not to mention having to deal with Soul Crush getting contested every single time, even when actual scans are given their mechanics get contested. And despite it failing every time, it keeps happening.

So I am not surprised.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

I don't think he could sense him in this key even.

Only So6P Naruto has such extrasensory perception that would detect Ichigo.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

"the scans dont say much" prove that a shinigamy can harm a soul thro the body or the body "gin cutting her while she was in a gigai" na does not mean anything

is not reflecting anything he cut her in half

Without context, it's impossible to take away any of that info.

Maybe reading the manga migh help you out

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Wouldn't he sense him by verse equalization? Sage Mode has massive sensory abilities.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

The verse is under heavy revisions for AP stuff and reworking profiles, not to mention having to deal with Soul Crush getting contested every single time, even when actual scans are given their mechanics get contested. And despite it failing every time, it keeps happening.
So I am not surprised.

Is normal at this point what would a bleach thread be withouht people contesting the powers or their hax

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

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Should be able to sense him, mostly.

Sense what exactly?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I don't think he could sense him in this key even.

Only So6P Naruto has such extrasensory perception that would detect Ichigo.

Is there any particular reason for that? Sage Mode is quiet a cut above your average chakra sensing.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

I don't think it would let him even with verse equalization, the only time anything of potential equivalency is in Naruto is probably Madara's Limbo Clones, even then So6P Naruto could only sense them tanks to his even higher sensory abilities.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Actually it's not a reoccurring problem lol, your two are like the first ones to like ever ask about it and attempt to contest it.

kukui also

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Sense what exactly?

Intent, nature energy around him, and IIRC emotions.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Can't reiyoku be sensed is what I mean, since he obviously has that.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Emotions is Kyuubi Chakra Mode, Sage Mode doesn't sense emotions.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Can't reiyoku be sensed is what I mean, since he obviously has that.

Dont think reiyoku counts as natural energy

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Again, wouldn't chakra be equalized to Reiyoku, which in that case should allow him to sense him?

@TOA Is not just natural energy, Sage Mode sensory ability is for chakra in general.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Again, wouldn't chakra be equalized to Reiyoku, which in that case should allow him to sense him?

I think that was discused before the whole chakra = soul so they can sense/see them but if i remember right imade was the one to correct it and it said mental energy or something like that not soul

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Eh how would he sense intent? Shinigami are completely undetectable in the human world and considering Naruto can't see him in not sure what intent he would feel. Ichigo doesn't have nature energy, same goes for emotions in not sure how he'd sense this when he doesn't even know what the target is?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

No, chakra is not equal to soul.

Yin is mental energy and imagination, not soul juice.

Yang is plain energy from the cells.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

I know, but I meant equalizing the energies. Even if they don't draw from the same, if they are similar enough as far as I am aware the standard maneuver is equalizing them

@Sigurd Like I said, he senses chakra in general, all kinds, not just nature energy.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

I know, but I meant equalizing the energies. Even if they don't draw from the same, if they are similar enough as far as I am aware the standard maneuver is equalizing them

I dont think they are that similar tbh

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Again, wouldn't chakra be equalized to Reiyoku, which in that case should allow him to sense him?
@TOA Is not just natural energy, Sage Mode sensory ability is for chakra in general.

Chakra is equalized to Reiryoku, but you don't sense Reiryoku in Bleach fights.

Reikaku is the sensing of Reiatsu in Bleach, and Reiatsu isn't equated.

Plus, the OP removed Reiatsu too.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Emotions is Kyuubi Chakra Mode, Sage Mode doesn't sense emotions.

SM has danger sense.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

either way i imagine/assume those 3 are going for naruto and the ones arguing for bleach well for ichigo

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Emotions is Kyuubi Chakra Mode, Sage Mode doesn't sense emotions.

SM has danger sense.

That's not emotions.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

@IMade

Oh right. I thought one of the sensing abilities had to do with the Reiyoku itself. I forgot.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

I know, I was just saying what sensing ability SM has.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

@Lancelot

Unless Naruto in this key has feats of seeing someone something made of something akin to spiritual matter which is undetectable to those not spiritually aware, or can outright see souls/spirits he wouldn't be able to see him.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Naruto can see souls, as far as that matters.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

I was mostly guiding myself on the idea of him sensing Reiyoku by equalization if that was a thing.

If it's not, oh well.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Now that i think about it.....can naruto even interact with ichigo? as ichigo is a soul etc?

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

@Ricsi

Those souls were inherently visible last I remember.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Now that i think about it.....can naruto even interact with ichigo? as ichigo is a soul etc?

Yes, because Ichigo os not a Non-Coporeal being.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

@Ricsi

Those souls were inherently visible last I remember.

Which is why I wrote for all that it matters. Its just that Sigurd asked that.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Now that i think about it.....can naruto even interact with ichigo? as ichigo is a soul etc?

Yes, high-reishi density spiritual beings can be touched by low-density beings.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

okey so naruto can atleast interact but cannot sense or see him + ichigo attacks his soul dirrectly

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Yes, Shinigami aren't intangible.