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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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Curious about this
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It's plausible that Danzo's eye is usable more regularly (ik that Itachi said Hashirama's chakra was the reason, but it could be a combination of Hashirama's chakra and the eye not being as powerful that allows Danzo's to be used multiple times a day; Itachi's Koto eye amplified by Hashirama might have a cooldown that's vaguely between hours and 10 years), which would be an explanation for how Shisui developed a reputation with Kotoamatsukami
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Speaking on the whole fused momoshiki and what not. What about the novel approach? That momoshiki used up kinshiki last essence in his final rasengan? So like this is just base momo? It also makes sense why every depiction of him ever since he looks like he is in his base form
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Honestly I just assumed the time limit wasn't 10 years for Shisui seeing as he had a rep for it like you mentioned but died before turning 20
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Odd that Itachi would know about the time limit then
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Not really. Once you’ve evolved, you don’t revert to your previous state. While chakra can be depleted, once it’s replenished, your output should return to the evolved level. Plus, we know Momoshiki’s appearance permanently changed after the fight with Boruto, confirming his transformation was lasting.
This was Momoshiki before he absorbed Kinshiki.
This is Momoshiki now, you can see the horn is different.
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Not at all, but there is nothing you can point to prove it is consistent for FM to be so physically superior that Taijutsu from Sasuke or Naruto is useless against him (Which, yes, would be the case if he's no-selling a direct sword strike to the back of the neck). And furthermore, as someone who takes almost every iteration of this fight as gospel, I find it funny that you disregard the fact that Sasuke and Naruto are shown to be physically on par with him, which complete invalidates FM feat in the first place as it's inconsistent with his later showings in literally the next sequence of the fight.
If you think it's been "Conveniently " ignored, then you haven't paid attn to my and Nierre's Conversation on it.
Bringing up a KI argument is irrelevant. Naruto ~ Sasuke. You can "argue" Momoshiki may have been holding back a bit against Naruto, but it's betrayed by the fact you can't say the same for Sasuke, and as Momoshiki was fighting both simultaneously, you're either arguing (1) he's in very quick succession alternating between KI and no KI with every movement, (2) He's fighting neither of them with KI, despite the fact he was routinely being dogged and fighting for his life. And seeing as, again, Naruto ~ Sasuke, if you hold that FM had KI against Sasuke, then your argument is invalid either way.
Actually, I'm not. I suggest you comb through the conversation again. And yes, Kinshiki was relative to Sasuke physically.
Sasuke here wasn't using Chidori to Pierce or Stab Kinshiki. Kinshiki didn't "tank" it either. Sasuke electrocuted him. Note the effects of Chidori used through the blade as well. Made it easier for this to occur, as you can argue this nerfed Kinshiki.
First off, explain why a CF, which is just Chakra and DNA makes FM at least 2x physically? DNA isn't a complete facsimile of an individual. It's not coded for exact muscle mass, weight, etc. It doesn't dictate all physical characteristics, predominately, those that are impacted by exterior factors. You thinking FM is at least 2x because he ate a CF containing Kinshiki's DNA is a fundamental misunderstanding of what and how DNA works on your part.
No, FM is not at least 2x physically due to Kinshiki's DNA. Let's look at WZ for example. Made up of almost all Hashirama DNA. Is WZ = Hashirama? I'll wait... Bc this is a prime example in Verse of having X Characters DNA =/= Having X Character's Capabilities.
He does.
False, feats say otherwise.
Debatable. Naruto/Sasuke's Jutsu are actually shown to be > FM Jutsu.
SPSM Offers Naruto no AP amp. Base Naruto has access to the same Six Paths Chakra and Kurama's addition in regards to AP is negligible.
Kurama Avatar is a Biju Transformation with the physical capabilities of Kurama (in this case, enhanced by Naruto's SPC). Yes, it's "Ninjutsu" as per the DB, but it's not a byproduct of CC like Rasengan, Chidori, etc. Trying to equate it to standard "ninjutsu" is faulty. The Golem > Kurama's Avatar physicals, yes, but not Naruto's "true" Ninjutsu.
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Naruto-Verse.
Again, being stronger and destroying the Avatar's doesn't mean he's no-selling a cutting attack to the throat. Sasuke swinging a sword at some's throat =/= Sasuke punching someone as the type of damage is different. Would you agree with that statement?
That is literally not the case as Jigen is shown blocking the sword. Yes, not a threat in that he stomps in stats and nothing Sasuke can throw at him or use to protect himself is going to work, but that doesn't mean he's suddenly going to be unaffected by a direct cutting attack by Sasuke. You're equating the two types of damage. That is why I asked, do you not draw a difference between Blunt Force and Cutting/Piercing damage in NV.
The point is, characters like Jigen are depicted as consistently blocking the same attacks Momoshiki is being argued to no-sell, on the bases of 1 feat. This is inconsistent. Especially since, again, Naruto & Sasuke ~ Fused Momoshiki physically.
Sasuke's Jutsu > Sasuke's Physicals ~ FM Physicals ~ Borushiki's Physicals. That's what i'm arguing.
Yes. Idk how I made it sound otherwise.
If we have Sasuke ~ Naruto, then he scales to Naruto hurting Fused Momoshiki, unless we're arguing this doesn't count as hurting him, in which case, sure, there is no other feat in the manga that draws a line of comparison between them, other than the Rasengan overpowering Momoshiki's Rasengan. But I'd disagree with stance entirely.
That's inconsistent showings, brother. If Momoshiki is unaffected by Sasuke's sword strikes, why is he depicted as evading Sasuke's sword? At a certain point, you have to understand, these Mangaka aren't stupid. Make it make sense. Across all iterations, Momoshiki is threatened by Naruto and Sasuke's capabilities, as well as their team work. If we've written a character that is so far above these characters that something like a "Direct Strike" is something you don't have to worry about, what sense does it make to write a h2h fight scene with these characters if your intent was to show, A Character can't hurt B Character? Author intent is clear, Naruto and Sasuke vs Momoshiki is meant to showcase that Naruto and Sasuke are capable of fighting and being valid threats to this character. You don't cook this up if this is not your intent.
That is why, based on the feats and depictions, Fused Momoshiki no-selling a direct strike to the neck, is inconsistent and an outlier.
Obviously, we're not stating the obvious about where he struck, but sure. That said, Boruto is not Sasuke. There is no real significant gap between Momoshiki and Sasuke/Naruto as there is with Momoshiki and CE Boruto. I don't think it's fair, and extremely faulty, to use CE Boruto w/ a Kunai as a counter point against Sasuke with a Sword. That's not even Apples and Oranges. That's Apples and... Orange residue on your fingers after you peel it open.
Sure, but Blunt Force damage / Cutting damage, so the example is faulty.
I beg to differ and i'm not a fan of ignoring basic logic or intent either. If i'm creating a visual medium, why am I wasting time, effort, panels, etc, on showing a character doing something meaningless when I can just depict a true showcase of my intent for the reader? Yes, Boruto at that time isn't a "Threat" to Naruto overall as he's holding back, surprised him from behind and still beats him with a single casual kick, that doesn't mean his Karma Enhanced Ninjutsu at that time has 0% affect if hit dead on w/o protection (such as his cloak). There is a point to showcasing Naruto being surprised and cautious in that situation. When you're writing a character, you have all of this stuff in mind. You know what Character A is capable of and you know what you want to depict Character B as being capable of.
I'm not a fan of ignoring that basic context, WHOLESALE, and it feels like, the majority of arguments around this tend to want me to do just that.
No, I'm showing you how the character is consistently being depicted. If the argument is around FM tanking a sword strike from Sasuke w/o issue, and every other feat and instance shows Charactrers who are relative to and stronger than Sasuke blocking his this same strike. Either Fused Momoshiki > Kv1 Jigen (Not the case) or FM feat is an outlier.
Even more evidence why FM tanking Sasuke's strike is inconsistent.
Nierre... are you telling me that you think it's sensical to depict a "Restraining Jutsu" being used on someone with the express intent of that jutsu not being capable of restraining them? Because that can be misconstrued, let me give an example of what I mean: Do you think it's sensical for Zodd to seriously attempt to restrain Superman, whom he's just fought briefly, with a standard pair of steel handcuffs, knowing the handcuffs are not as strong as Superman?
^This is how that response reads to me. If I'm mistaken, please correct me, bc logic dictates, the Jutsu is meant to combat what he just experienced.
Brother, the feat is no difference than this, with the only difference being Sasuke showed he can cut through them but was outnumbered by them and their attack speed. Would he have been hurt by it if it was allowed to slam him into the ground? "Maybe" (Kishimoto certainly showcased that to be the case in the movie), but it's not like It was just holding him there indefinitely. Naruto is shown breaking it as soon as Sasuke gets caught.
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It's kinda weird how Madara didn't have much of a dynamic with Naruto or Sasuke
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Eh, he has one, it's less based on their raw interactions however and instead their ideology. It's always been more about what Madara represents to them both more than the person, which is fair when he's some guy from nearly a century ago that they've never met. And truly not that uncommon for an antagonist.
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For sure, I've always felt that what Madara represented was more important towards Hashirama's ideology than Naruto or Sasuke as individuals.
This is why more emphasis was placed on Naruto and his dynamics towards Obito, Nagato, and Sasuke since they mattered more to his character growth and themes.
Which is why it was cool that Madara was taken out by his own hubris, inability to trust anyone, or put faith that instilling good lessons of enduring hardship will eventually create a better world, like Hashi said.
He relied on a convenient plan that let him take agency and "save the world" with just him, his pawns, and Zetsu, who he thought was his will embodied, and got slammed on his neck for it.
Rather than some thematically resonant clash with Naruto and Sasuke, just them working together by the end and breaking that cycle was their "dynamic" with Madara as a direct product of Hashirama's dream a century later, and the spiritual successors to the cycled violence that Madara already inherited and allowed himself to fall victim to.
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For the Uchiha Clan to get as big as it did, I assume Indra has at least 3 kids, who each had 3 kids, who each had 3 kids before they started "inbreeding". 
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Something I noticed a long time ago is Majestic Attire: Susanoo looks different in Boruto
During Naruto, MAS looked like Perfect Susanoo armour around Kurama. But in Boruto, it looks like Sasuke's Indra Susanoo from his final fight with Naruto wrapped around Kurama.
Could this be because by "merging" with Naruto his Susanoo gets access to all 9 Tailed Beasts' chakra?
I like to think so anyway
During Naruto, MAS looked like Perfect Susanoo armour around Kurama. But in Boruto, it looks like Sasuke's Indra Susanoo from his final fight with Naruto wrapped around Kurama.
Could this be because by "merging" with Naruto his Susanoo gets access to all 9 Tailed Beasts' chakra?
I like to think so anyway
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Could also be just design change but that's also an awesome theory
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That's a ******* sick headcanon tbh.
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That's pretty cool, that is my new headcanon.
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In what order do you think the manga is gonna wrap up Momoshiki, Jura and Code?
BC Obviously Kawaki will be last.
BC Obviously Kawaki will be last.
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I'm not sure Kawaki will be last. We may end up in a scenario where Boruto and Kawaki have to team-up against Jura and they don't fall out afterwards.
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How we feel about this explanation boys?
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Makes sense from a quick think
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I suspect Jigen's rods are sci-fi nin tools.
Probably created from Shibai's data.
They didn't disappear when Isshiki passed away.
I disagree with the vid. It is connected to the rinnegan.
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Lmao
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Is there a shinobi page? And should there be one?
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No, but there was one I’ve been working on for a while, it’s on pause bc I was weighing the merit of a Shinobi Blog vs an all encompassing Chakra User blog, or even a general Jutsu page along with other things that I’m still iffy on like how closely tied a lot of certain abilities would be to Slayers chakra blog making it redundant to go over twice, which equipment is standard issue for all Shinobi vs optional, whether or not to add a Sennin or a Medical Nin section, etc.
Plus novel digging has brought up some cool additions here and there that are consistent with the manga so it’s been a slow process.
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Oh shit... Idk if you've all heard the theory going around, but what do y'all think of Momoshiki taking advantage of Code's devotion to Otsutsuki and placing his Karma into him while he's in control of Boruto's body?
That way, no matter what happens to Boruto, Momoshiki knows he has a back-up and that way, Momoshiki can be the final villain by rebirthing inside Code and Boruto's Karma gets erased.
Edit: This way, Code can also get a power up because he'll be able to then stack Momoshiki's "True Essence" over his no limits body.
That way, no matter what happens to Boruto, Momoshiki knows he has a back-up and that way, Momoshiki can be the final villain by rebirthing inside Code and Boruto's Karma gets erased.
Edit: This way, Code can also get a power up because he'll be able to then stack Momoshiki's "True Essence" over his no limits body.
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Meguna ahh moment
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The CRT to end all CRTs: Naruto Revision (Kir-in)
Hey This thread seeks to upgrade Kirin's speed to SOL Upgrade thread: https://vsbattles.com/threads/happy-new-year-from-kishimoto.147078/ Downgrade thread: https://vsbattles.com/threads/kirin-more-like-kir-out-usopplaugh.170173/ Tl;Dr Pro lightning speed 1. Unreliable source 2. Inconsistent...
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whew, done updating all the profiles, the next thread i'll do is prolly some profile fixes or shippuden top tiers revisions
MinatoSparkle
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In what regard?Akatsuki and Hokage are being worked on, so long as it ain't those
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I was thinking of going Toneri, Hinata and TL NarutoAkatsuki and Hokage are being worked on, so long as it ain't those
Cuz they’re in a very bad state rn
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The team profile I was planning to make is cancelled, so that’s open
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wym in what regard? like which profiles or which parts?
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parts
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all of it probably
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Where does Kawaki scale to? 312.8 Zettatons
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