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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Godernet said:
Not being Neji speed doesn’t mean a blitz level gap
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Sure, my point is just that Sasuke should be in the same speed tier
Godernet said:
Also having relative power to Neji, the strongest Genin is still worthy of praise even if Neji would shit on him because of his own advantages
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MinatoSparkle said:
Calling him a formidable opponent is kinda different from just calling him strong in general since the word opponent positions Sasuke in comparison to himself
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(Posing a formidable threat would require some scaling in speed)
Also it's not even like power is one of Neji's specialties given that he uses Gentle Fist
Godernet said:
Same dude that was internally impressed at Lee’s primary Lotus but still thought nothing of Lee’s chance of beating him till he saw the hidden lotus.
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I wouldn't really say there's strong evidence that he thought "nothing" of Lee's chances of beating him, and he was seeing Lee rapidly close the gap either way so his reaction makes sense

Also a simple "Yikes" is pretty different from Neji's comment about Sasuke
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Zaku doesn’t react to Sasuke at all.
  1. He’s completely Blitzed and smacked away.
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Sasuke attacks from his periphery and Zaku objectively has a perception before he's smacked away
NeoKingOfLight said:
  1. Didn’t notice Sasuke pull multiple Shuriken to put in the Phoenix Fire
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Good skill feat, but there was a good amount of time for Sasuke to prepare that while Zaku was skidding across the floor
NeoKingOfLight said:
  1. (And while he was able to react to it, the force of the Kunai ignored his Jutsu’s AP, unlike with Sakura).
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Sure, he's far above Sakura
NeoKingOfLight said:
  1. Then completely blitzed and sacked again.
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Outsped while Zaku was distracted by the shuriken hitting him and doesn't perception blitz

Zaku is in no way relative to this Sasuke, but he's not hundreds of times slower is all I'm saying
 
SlendVeny said:
You know that scene with the dudes looking at each other's business cards?
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tenor.gif
 
So wait…
MinatoSparkle said:
Sasuke attacks from his periphery and Zaku objectively has a perception before he's smacked away
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If you’re referring to Zaku’s “!!” Reaction, it’s to Sasuke standing beside him. He’s not even reacting to Sasuke’s arm swing (This is why you have to take the full context of the scans into account and that’s the scan before the first one you posted). The manga shows Zaku being surprised that Sasuke is standing next to him and not where his attack was focused. It’s a mischaracterization of the entire scene.
MinatoSparkle said:
Good skill feat, but there was a good amount of time for Sasuke to prepare that while Zaku was skidding across the floor
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Except we see Sasuke hasn’t moved even moved as Zaku is already standing back up his head is still turned towards him and is fully stanced when Sasuke fires the Phoenix Fire Jutsu.
MinatoSparkle said:
Sure, he's far above Sakura
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Further illustrates his complete dominance over Zaku.
MinatoSparkle said:
Outsped while Zaku was distracted by the shuriken hitting him and doesn't perception blitz
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“?!” Is always used when a person doesn’t know what happened and his immediate reaction to Sasuke’s grabbing him is, “HUNH?!”, showing he was unaware of the action. It’s a perception blitz.
MinatoSparkle said:
Zaku is in no way relative to this Sasuke, but he's not hundreds of times slower is all I'm saying
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Zaku didn’t legitimately react to anything Sasuke did and the only instance that maybe could’ve been argued as I pointed out above is the “!!” Reaction, but as I said, it’s not because he was reacting to Sasuke’s speeding beside him or his arm swing, it’s literally and contextually because he he notices Sasuke was standing next to him instead of where he was attacked.
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Like it’s so blatant, he didn’t even know Sasuke was next to him until he spoke.
 
Nierre said:
I thought most ppl here had the God Tiers at like Tier 4 but I feel like some of y'all him included have them higher
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Hagoromos databook page says something about walking on samsara which is a platonic concept that gives him Buddhism scaling and upscales him to 1-A, Naruto upscales above him so he's H1-A in base 😎
 
Nierre said:
😭 i genuinely wanna know tho

cause for a while I thought most ppl here had the God Tiers at like Tier 4 but I feel like some of y'all him included have them higher
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Way way wayyy higher
We just believe that Tier 4 isn’t a humiliating position

Tier 5 Tier 6 Tier 7 for the higher god tiers is just flat out falsehood

Is what I think and i believe he likely shares this view with me
 
Nierre said:
bro 💀 no wonder y'all think vsbw is downplaying

do u have Naruto higher than dragon ball?
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Lmaoo, seeing the tier 4 Naruto made everyone happy and say “vsbw finally coming around”


I have Naruto (the character) below DBS scaling but strong enough to beat up dbz


But I think Shibai probably solos DBS just via sheer hax
 
Lets be honest Moon level Konahamaru is just as bad as universal Konohamaru when compared to what you would think Konohamaru should be,
Like the lore and hype behind only him would make him 0% of moon level rounding down, and 0% of universal rounding down

Ofcourse he has scaling , so he gets dat moon rating and oneshots boros from OPM strongest attack on this site no diff.
 
0.6 Exaton and 0.75 c Boros strongest attack vs 84.59 Exatons 20 c Konohamaru rasengan

One of the justifications on the profile (i know this one isnt where the scaling comes from, i just thought it was funny its still on the page ) is : "Destroyed Aos Shinobi wear"
 
Nierre said:
@Samlex1234 what tier do you have the God Tiers at
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Whew, almost got trapped there—

Not that I’m afraid of sharing all my god-tier scalings and justifications (we can always discuss that privately), but I was genuinely about to lay all my cards on the table. Luckily, a good friend pulled me back to my senses. That said, I might still drop a few gems here and there.

When we talk about god-tiers, I think the term is thrown around far too loosely. Personally, I don’t believe any god-tier character from Naruto Shippuden besides Kaguya truly qualifies as god-tier by Boruto standards.


Sure, there may be some nuance in the relativity between Boruto god-tiers, but the power gap between them and Shippuden-era characters is very clear.

Hagoromo Scaling

Since Hagoromo fought the Ten Tails (not really Kaguya), I’d place Young Hagoromo ≈ Ten Tails.

Side note: I believe the calc we have for the lifting feat is a lowball and doesn’t match the narrative description. Honestly, using the anime version shouldn't be unreasonable (I have seen other verses do this on the Wiki) but I digress.

Regardless of whether it was young or old Hagoromo who performed the feat, both would still be weaker than his prime self. That’s because Prime Hagoromo = at least Young Hagoromo + Ten Tails, making him twice as strong—since he was already relative to the Ten Tails before absorbing it (Kinda like Momo + Kinshiki).

So:
Prime Hagoromo = At least (Lifting Feat × 2)

Madara, after becoming the Ten Tails’ Jinchūriki, should be close to Prime Hagoromo and stronger or relative to young/old Hago.

Jubidara (1 Rinnegan) = At least Lifting Feat level

Also consider: the Ten Tails may have grown stronger over time. Combined with Madara’s massive chakra reserves and a potentially more powerful Ten Tails, he could easily make up for the missing half of Kurama.

And since:
Full Ten Tails ≈ Young Hagoromo,

Then starting from One-Eyed Jubidara and up (excluding Kaguya), characters should scale to at least 5-B (based on Arc TonyRomo’s calc), with room for far highers as the chain builds, ultimately stopping at Kaguya.

Kaguya and Beyond
When comparing Kaguya to Boruto god-tiers, it’s honestly not close they completely outclass every Naruto god-tier.

Thus, Just as we scale characters on Hagoromo’s level to feats he performed casually, we should apply the same standard to Kaguya and everyone on or above her level scaling them to the ETSO energy output.

The idea that Kaguya, with near-perfect (if not perfect) chakra control, somehow can’t use even 1% of 1% of the energy required to destroy her dimension as an amp during combat is… a reach.

To sum up:
I’m fine with the current rating of the ETSO, but Kaguya and all Boruto-era god-tiers who scale to or surpass her should scale to the EPS level.

As for Shibai, that’s a separate case. But putting him at 4-B while ignoring direct canon statements and feats suggesting far higher? Yeah… I’ll just leave that there.
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
Way way wayyy higher
We just believe that Tier 4 isn’t a humiliating position

Tier 5 Tier 6 Tier 7 for the higher god tiers is just flat out falsehood

Is what I think and i believe he likely shares this view with me
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I completely agree with Ghost on this. As a verse, we’ve already massively lowballed and disregard every possible higher meta interpretations of the ETSO feat for the wiki and yet people are still trying to downplay the scale of the dimensions even further. At some point, it just feels disingenuous. Like, bro, isn’t that already enough?
 
naruto lives rent free in everyones heads, grown ass men with kids getting all bothered and triggered over an internet joule count is hilarious as hell
 
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