Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Deceived3596]

Feat-starved induced hallucinations

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Feat-starved induced hallucinations

Gotta keep our sanity somehow

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Gotta keep our sanity somehow

Ain't nobody here sane no more

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Ain't nobody here sane no more

If nobody sane then everybody's sane

 

[DavidTPPM]

No you can argue late game people were given artificial atmosphere but Hamura initially needed to relocate to the moon which had no air


Only way later when Hamura dropped the tenseigan did they get that atmosphere

Well the moon was created on earth and existed within it's atmosphere so who knows.

But we've blatanly seen Otsutsukis on dead planets and in space so those should work regardless.

that's because he has arguments, don't knock out scaling opinions unless you've actually debated the person

Oh you don't even know how often we would debate about all kinds of shit back in the day on Quora

 

[MinatoSparkle]

What's crazy to me is that there's no statement even implying sage mode is a speed multiplier and yet you take these scenes as "evidence 20x speed difference isn't enough to blitz someone from Narutoverse" instead of blatant counter evidence to sage mode being a speed amp.

That's such a generous wishful thinking

I just subscribe to chakra being proportional to stats in general And it's not like being able to tank attacks from people 20x stronger than you is very intuitive either

 

[DavidTPPM]

I just subscribe to chakra being proportional to stats in general

Senjutsu adds 50% to your chakra since it has to take up 1/3 of it soooo 1.5x speed amp for sage mode confirmed?

Makes sense given Pain reacted to it .

And it's not like being able to tank attacks from people 20x stronger than you is very intuitive either

It's a lot more intuitive than reacting to speed 20x faster. Power is a lot easier to work around.
Pain blocked? Boom damage reduced.
Pain blocked with 2 two hands? Damage reduced even more.
Pain was launched away? Energy reduced even more.
Did Pain take any internal damage? We don't know, another potential damage reduction.

Meanwhile there's no way to make Pains arms move 50 centimeters before Narutos 20x faster already moving leg moves 10 centimeters.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Biscuits made out of Madara's hashirama cell ****.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Senjutsu adds 50% to your chakra since it has to take up 1/3 of it soooo 1.5x speed amp for sage mode confirmed?

Not the same as physical and mental energy

Makes sense given Pain reacted to it .

It's a lot more intuitive than reacting to speed 20x faster. Power is a lot easier to work around.
Pain blocked? Boom damage reduced.
Pain blocked with 2 two hands? Damage reduced even more.

His arms which took the direct impact not being messed up is weird in the first place

Pain was launched away? Energy reduced even more.
Did Pain take any internal damage? We don't know, another potential damage reduction.

Meanwhile there's no way to make Pains arms move 50 centimeters before Narutos 20x faster already moving leg moves 10 centimeters.

The way is just fictional logic of reflexive single movements being massively above attack speed. That kind of thing is even accepted on the wiki.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Well the moon was created on earth and existed within it's atmosphere so who knows.

But we've blatanly seen Otsutsukis on dead planets and in space so those should work regardless.

Oh you don't even know how often we would debate about all kinds of shit back in the day on Quora

1)Dude we legitimately see Hamura standing in the exteriors of the moon facing the blue planets that’s far away

2) doesn’t matter

 

[DavidTPPM]

Not the same as physical and mental energy

Well you said chakra is proportional to stats so I'm just noting sage mode is a 1.5x chakra multiplier

His arms which took the direct impact not being messed up is weird in the first place

And yet again much easier to address than him outspeeding a 20x difference.

Also these 2 are not mutually exclusive,suggesting sage mode as a multiplier claims both speed and AP difference. So if it's hard to address that's just bad for you.

The way is just fictional logic of reflexive single movements being massively above attack speed.

We have nothing suggesting it was pure reflex/instinct, and even if we did it would still be a lot easier to assume the attack was just not that fast.

That kind of thing is even accepted on the wiki.

Yeah but usually with sufficient evidence to explain it and sufficient evidence that the slower character can't just be fast enough to react via sheer speed.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

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[MinatoSparkle]

Well you said chakra is proportional to stats so I'm just noting sage mode is a 1.5x chakra multiplier

Senjutsu chakra can just be more potent so there's more chakra power for the same amount, hence my original statement remains fine

And yet again much easier to address than him outspeeding a 20x difference.

Also these 2 are not mutually exclusive,suggesting sage mode as a multiplier claims both speed and AP difference. So if it's hard to address that's just bad for you.

It's not hard to address for either though

We have nothing suggesting it was pure reflex/instinct, and even if we did it would still be a lot easier to assume the attack was just not that fast.

Yeah but usually with sufficient evidence to explain it and sufficient evidence that the slower character can't just be fast enough to react via sheer speed.

And the evidence is sufficient, Pain is comparable to Base Naruto in combat speed, and whether Sage Mode is or isn't a 20x speed multiplier, it enhances speed to some extent, yet Pain moved his arms more in the same amount of time than Naruto's leg. So either Sage Mode is a nerf or reaction speed>combat speed

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[Samlex1234]

Who needs multipliers? The Naruto/Boruto series has some absolutely insane speed scaling, but most people tend to overlook it, including me and we just ask for the bare minimum. A few examples:

1. Kaguya’s Chakra Perception & Sasuke’s Reaction Feats | Isshiki’s Attack Speed & Baryon Mode Naruto’s Combat Speed:

• Kaguya’s Chakra Perception speed: Kaguya can perceive chakra traveling across an entire universe into her dimension in just minutes, with pinpoint control over when to stop it.

• Sasuke’s Perception speed: Sasuke can perceive this chakra, despite its speed.

• Isshiki’s Rods Attack speed: The same Sasuke who can perceive chakra moving that fast struggles to track Isshiki’s rods.

• Baryon Mode Reaction/combat feats: Naruto can casually dodge and catch this rods.


2. Isshiki’s Space-Time Ninjutsu via Chakra perception

Isshiki Chakra Perception speed: Isshiki can perceive Naruto’s chakra, particularly as it weakens while powering Kawaki’s artificial hand on Earth. Using Naruto chakra as a beacon he is able to send his space time portal through Naruto’s chakra to another dimension. Perception speed, attack speed .


3. Ōtsutsuki Traveling Across the Universe (Possible Speeds)

• Intergalactic Travel: Ōtsutsuki members like Urashiki can fly across insane distances. For example, Urashiki flew from a distant planet, well beyond our own constellation to Earth, and Kaguya likely did the same (we saw when she landed on earth in the anime). Insane travel speed .


4. Sasuke Perceive Chakra Across Dimensions (Novel Feat)

• Sasuke Perception/Reaction speed: In the Boruto movie novel, Sasuke perceives the chakra stream of Momoshiki draining energy from beyond his dimension. Not only does Sasuke sense it instantly, but he is also able to comprehend and react immediately.


5. Ōtsutsuki Flying to Different Dimensions

If we assume the Ōtsutsuki’s like Kaguya , isshiki, and Momoshiki didn’t create their own dimensions, they would have had to fly across space from the main universe to those dimensions, due to not having the required coordinates. Absurdly insane travel speed.

6. Hagoromo’s Polar Particles (Unknown Feat)

Hagoromo’s Polar Particles (possibly attack speed, perception speed and reaction speed)

Still have more but that is enough for now.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Senjutsu chakra can just be more potent so there's more chakra power for the same amount, hence my original statement remains fine

Well then that's not exactly "proportional" if different chakra potency can throw things off

It's not hard to address for either though

It really is hard to say Pain broke the speed formula and outsped somethings 20x faster than himself

And the evidence is sufficient, Pain is comparable to Base Naruto in combat speed, and whether Sage Mode is or isn't a 20x speed multiplier, it enhances speed to some extent, yet Pain moved his arms more in the same amount of time than Naruto's leg. So either Sage Mode is a nerf or reaction speed>combat speed

Uhm not really. Naruto being relative to Pain is exactly that, relativity. Not equality.
If base Naruto is let's say, 80% as fast as Pain, that's still enough to keep up with him, especially if he's only fighting defensively how he did.

If sage mode increased his speed by 1.5x like said (just an example not saying it literally is a 1.5x multiplier) then sage Naruto would be 1.2 faster than Pain. Which is still enough for him to react.

And suddenly the issue of him reacting is basically nonexistent. Yeah he still moved more than Naruto when he should be slower but it's a far lesser issue when he's 20% slower than it would be if he's 2000% slower and can be chalked up to a minor art inconsistency rather than going "oh everyone in Naruto has 20x faster reaction speed than physical speed"

 

[karo_senpaii]

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I strongly disagree with the SoL LoW Sasuke perception meta but since you brought it up I'll rock w it

Base Guy is FTL since he perception blitzes Sasuke
3rd Gate Guy is 24x FTL cause Gates amp by dozens of times
30% Kisame is 24+ times FTL since Guy says he has no choice but to use the 6th Gate against him
100% Kisame is 80x FTL
3T Hebi Sasuke>3T Taka Sasuke<~Base Bee~Kisame
CM2 Hebi Sasuke is 1600x FTL since the Curse Mark boosts you by tens of times (in the raws, ik the VIZ says 10x)
3T FKS Sasuke>CM2 Hebi Sasuke
Chidori is a blitz tier amp since you blitz yourself with it if you don't have the Sharingan, so 3T Chidori Sasuke is 32,000x FTL
V1 Ay is comparable to 3T Chidori Sasuke, and V2 Ay is much faster than that
KCM Naruto blitzed him, so 640,000x FTL
Base WA Guy~KCM Naruto via performances against Obito, and thus WA 3rd Gate Guy is 15,360,000x FTL

So yeah, you most certainly "can" get there, even if I don't endorse some of the arguments needed to get there for this tier of characters

15million ftl 3rd gate guy? you need to be stopped bro

 

[Ar1216789]

Who you guys got winning Daemon or the Strawhats?

 

[Samlex1234]

Who you guys got winning Daemon or the Strawhats?

Disrespect.

 

[Ar1216789]

Disrespect.

I mean it is unfair for Daemon. Luffy vs Daemon then

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Disrespect.

first time im agreeing with this take

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I mean it is unfair for Daemon. Luffy vs Daemon then

you should include whitebeard,gold rogers and haki man shanks

 

[Ar1216789]

you should include whitebeard,gold rogers and haki man shanks

Daemon is NOT winning

 

[Stryker861]

Daemon is NOT winning

Hes slaughtering

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Well then that's not exactly "proportional" if different chakra potency can throw things off

Proportional in terms of the power of someone's chakra, not necessarily raw volume. Basically what I mean is that if chakra enhances power by 10x, speed would also rise by 10x

It really is hard to say Pain broke the speed formula and outsped somethings 20x faster than himself

Already addressed

Uhm not really. Naruto being relative to Pain is exactly that, relativity. Not equality.
If base Naruto is let's say, 80% as fast as Pain, that's still enough to keep up with him, especially if he's only fighting defensively how he did.

They traded a ton of blows for a while, they're basically equal

If sage mode increased his speed by 1.5x like said (just an example not saying it literally is a 1.5x multiplier) then sage Naruto would be 1.2 faster than Pain. Which is still enough for him to react.

And suddenly the issue of him reacting is basically nonexistent. Yeah he still moved more than Naruto when he should be slower but it's a far lesser issue when he's 20% slower than it would be if he's 2000% slower and can be chalked up to a minor art inconsistency rather than going "oh everyone in Naruto has 20x faster reaction speed than physical speed"

So calling a very explicit feat happening consecutively with another an inconsistency is better than giving an inverse explanation?

q

15million ftl 3rd gate guy? you need to be stopped bro

It is terrible wank

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Daemon is NOT winning

Never disrespect THE GOAT again

 

[DavidTPPM]

Who needs multipliers?

Brother WE DO because Kishimoto refuses to take the fights to space

The Naruto/Boruto series has some absolutely insane speed scaling, but most people tend to overlook it, including me

It's not that it's overlooked, it's that it's hidden at best and non existent at worst.

1. Kaguya’s Chakra Perception & Sasuke’s Reaction Feats | Isshiki’s Attack Speed & Baryon Mode Naruto’s Combat Speed:

• Kaguya’s Chakra Perception speed: Kaguya can perceive chakra traveling across an entire universe into her dimension in just minutes, with pinpoint control over when to stop it.

• Sasuke’s Perception speed: Sasuke can perceive this chakra, despite its speed.

Can we prove it physically travels across the entire universe instead of just yk, teleporting?

2. Isshiki’s Space-Time Ninjutsu via Chakra perception

Isshiki Chakra Perception speed: Isshiki can perceive Naruto’s chakra, particularly as it weakens while powering Kawaki’s artificial hand on Earth. Using Naruto chakra as a beacon he is able to send his space time portal through Naruto’s chakra to another dimension. Perception speed, attack speed

Same issue as before. We know for a fact that Naruto can't just travel across dimensions via pure physical stats because Jigens plan was literally to BFR him to a different dimension so how do we know his chakra is this much faster?

3. Ōtsutsuki Traveling Across the Universe (Possible Speeds)

• Intergalactic Travel: Ōtsutsuki members like Urashiki can fly across insane distances. For example, Urashiki flew from a distant planet, well beyond our own constellation to Earth, and Kaguya likely did the same (we saw when she landed on earth in the anime). Insane travel speed .

Could easily be via teleportation. Boruto for example BFRed Isshiki to a completely random dimension.
Even disregarding that and assuming he needs to "know the coordinates", he could use portals to jump across thousands of light years at a time since we can see far further than that with a naked eye (meaning he would "know the coords" by the virtue of seeing the solar systems)

4. Sasuke Perceive Chakra Across Dimensions (Novel Feat)

• Sasuke Perception/Reaction speed: In the Boruto movie novel, Sasuke perceives the chakra stream of Momoshiki draining energy from beyond his dimension. Not only does Sasuke sense it instantly, but he is also able to comprehend and react immediately.

Same issue as Kaguyas chakra.

5. Ōtsutsuki Flying to Different Dimensions

If we assume the Ōtsutsuki like Kaguya , isshiki, and Momoshiki didn’t create their own dimensions, they would have had to fly across space from the main universe to those dimensions, due to not having the required coordinates. Absurdly insane travel speed.

Again, Boruto didn't create any dimension either and yet he could go to a random one to BFR Isshiki away from Konoha.

They could also have unknown means of finding dimensions. If regular irl humans can find coordinates of distant galaxies and even black holes, who knows what crazy stuff can Otsutsukis do to find locations in space.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Could easily be via teleportation. Boruto for example BFRed Isshiki to a completely random dimension.
Even disregarding that and assuming he needs to "know the coordinates", he could use portals to jump across thousands of light years at a time since we can see far further than that with a naked eye (meaning he would "know the coords" by the virtue of seeing the solar systems)

nah in this case we know he actually traveled, his portrayed as a comet thats actively moving towards earth in real time.

the issue is this feat has been calced and its not super impressive because of how long it takes.

i think the high end might have been like 5c based off memory

 

[DavidTPPM]

Proportional in terms of the power of someone's chakra, not necessarily raw volume. Basically what I mean is that if chakra enhances power by 10x, speed would also rise by 10x

I mean okay but that works on quite a lot of assumptions.
Like for example you say different chakra can have different potency but how do we know it doesn't also have different properties?

Like sage mode for example has MUCH better durability amping feats and statements than speed or AP. And we see different chakras grant different hax like danger sensing, regeneration, poison/corrosion, etc.

Plus the very present concept of 1 stat merchant really makes this even more unlikely. If chakra was equally tied to all stats why can the 4th Raikage be faster and yet weaker than Tsunade for example? Most logical explanation would be that Byakugou amps AP more than speed and/or lightning cloak amps speed more than AP, but that again throws off the whole equal amp thing.

They traded a ton of blows for a while, they're basically equal

It really isn't that simple. Many other factors like skill and combat style heavily affect the outcome.

Like here for example, Naruto is reacting to Pain but he's still forced fully on the defensive. He seems to be forced into backing away and only defends without any real chance to counter attack. On top of that Naruto is essentially a master martial artist while Pain has no real taijutsu skill feats and is more so a hax merchant.

So while the gap definitely isn't massive, there is still room for a stat difference.

So calling a very explicit feat happening consecutively with another an inconsistency is better than giving an inverse explanation?

Yes, definitely. Because the "inconsistency" here would be Kishimoto drawing Narutos foot a few centimeters too close to Pains head probably purely for the cool-factor while the headcanon "inverse explanation" is asserting an insane reaction speed multiplier to the entire verse.

And even if you want to completely get rid of the whole "Kishimoto drew the kick a bit too close" thing it wouldn't help your case. It would just mean Pain did what you're saying he did but instead of having a ridiculous 20x reaction speed he just has an unquantifiable reaction speed. Still giving us the conclusion that sage mode just isn't a big speed amp and Pain might have a slightly higher reaction speed.

 

[Ar1216789]

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Daemon vs Kaido Speed is equalized. Kaido is in his Flame Dragon Form. SBA Daemon: Kaido: Incon:

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[AnimesFreak2]

Never disrespect THE GOAT again

Bro has so many quotable lines

Truly the goat fr

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[NeoKingOfLight]

Are Kawaki’s rod speeds equal to Jigen & Isshiki’s, despite no “actual” Confirmation he is on par with them?

 

[Samlex1234]

Brother WE DO because Kishimoto refuses to take the fights to space

It's not that it's overlooked, it's that it's hidden at best and non existent at worst.


Can we prove it physically travels across the entire universe instead of just yk, teleporting?

First, we can observe that the chakra is directly traveling through the planet similar to when zetsu did it on earth. If she had opened a portal, there would be no need for Zetsu to instruct her to go to the Main Dimension. She could have easily done the same thing in any dimension by simply opening a portal, making Zetsu’s advice unnecessary. Thus, the only logical deduction would be that her main dimension would be the dimension that is closest to the earth dimension.

Same issue as before. We know for a fact that Naruto can't just travel across dimensions via pure physical stats because Jigens plan was literally to BFR him to a different dimension so how do we know his chakra is this much faster?

Naruto doesn’t need to be physically capable of traveling through space; I was specifically referring to his chakra, not his physical movement speed. Honestly, whether he can actually fly through space during this time is still up for debate, but I digress.

Could easily be via teleportation. Boruto for example BFRed Isshiki to a completely random dimension.
Even disregarding that and assuming he needs to "know the coordinates", he could use portals to jump across thousands of light years at a time since we can see far further than that with a naked eye (meaning he would "know the coords" by the virtue of seeing the solar systems)

We have a canonical statement suggesting he was traveling through space and entered the constellation. If he could simply gaze at the moon and instantly arrive, he wouldn’t need to fly. Instead, he flew, indicating he lacked specific coordinates for Earth. Urashiki also implied that he journeyed from planet to planet across different solar systems before finally locating Earth.

Again, Boruto didn't create any dimension either and yet he could go to a random one to BFR Isshiki away from Konoha.

Since Boruto carries Momoshiki’s Karma, he essentially has access to all of Momoshiki’s knowledge, abilities, and dimensional coordinates. That means the dimension Boruto ended up in wasn’t random, it was one that Momoshiki had been to before and stored the coordinates for.



Just to add to this, Boruto was also able to open a portal directly back to earth. Meaning he had the coordinates for the earth dimension stored within his karma adding to the fact that the karma do not just open portals to random dimensions.

They could also have unknown means of finding dimensions. If regular irl humans can find coordinates of distant galaxies and even black holes, who knows what crazy stuff can Otsutsukis do to find locations in space.

False equivalency, the coordinates for distant galaxies within our universe are fundamentally different from coordinates for dimensions that don’t even exist within our universe. Since these dimensions aren’t observable or part of the main space-time continuum, they can’t be measured or detected in the same way as objects within our own universe. “who knows what crazy stuff can Otsutsukis do to find locations in space ” Argument from Ignorance.

 

[Samlex1234]

Are Kawaki’s rod speeds equal to Jigen & Isshiki’s, despite no “actual” Confirmation he is on par with them?

No they are slower.

 

[DavidTPPM]

First, we can observe that the chakra is directly traveling through the planet similar to when zetsu did it on earth. If she had opened a portal, there would be no need for Zetsu to instruct her to go to the Main Dimension.

I'm not saying she opened a portal. I'm saying we don't actually know how she absorbed it and some form of STN is a possibility.

She could have easily done the same thing in any dimension by simply opening a portal, making Zetsu’s advice unnecessary. Thus, the only logical deduction would be that her main dimension would be the dimension that is closest to the earth dimension.

Zetsu said she recovers faster in the root dimension so there is clearly something unique about it.

It being the "closest to earth" is not impossible but also not implied. What we DO know is that one of the things that makes the root space unique is that it's connected to all of her other dimensions.

So it's very much possible and I would even say likely that the other dimensions simply aren't connected to earths dimension in a way that would allow them to summon IT chakra.

Naruto doesn’t need to be physically capable of traveling through space; I was specifically referring to his chakra, not his physical movement speed. Honestly, whether he can actually fly through space during this time is still up for debate, but I digress.

If his chakra can physically travel through space what's stopping him from doing so?

We have a canonical statement suggesting he was traveling through space and entered the constellation. If he could simply gaze at the moon and instantly arrive, he wouldn’t need to fly. Instead, he flew, indicating he lacked specific coordinates for Earth.

That's assuming he saw the moon from several light years away.

Urashiki also implied that he journeyed from planet to planet across different solar systems before finally locating Earth.

I mean yeah and we see him on one of those specifically using STN.

My main point here is that we simply lack information on his travels

Since Boruto carries Momoshiki’s Karma, he essentially has access to all of Momoshiki’s knowledge, abilities, and dimensional coordinates. That means the dimension Boruto ended up in wasn’t random, it was one that Momoshiki had been to before and stored the coordinates for.

That's just headcanon. Boruto didn't even know he can tap into Momoshikis experience until Code told him. Boruto even outright says he doesn't know where they are

Just to add to this, Boruto was also able to open a portal directly back to earth. Meaning he had the coordinates for the earth dimension stored within his karma adding to the fact that the karma do not just open portals to random dimensions.

That very panel shows Boruto saying he doesn't know how STN works.

False equivalency, the coordinates for distant galaxies within our universe are fundamentally different from coordinates for dimensions that don’t even exist within our universe.

It's not a false equivalency because I'm not saying they're the same to begin with. Since yk, we're talking about teleporting aliens with magic eyes, not humans with regular telescopes.
And wdym "different dimensions"? Is there any evidence for Naruto earth being in some distinct dimension away from the regular universe?

“who knows what crazy stuff can Otsutsukis do to find locations in space ” Argument from Ignorance.

That's pretty ironic, do you know what an argument from ignorance is...?
It's the claim that something is or isn't true based on an absence of evidence. Which is what you are doing here.
I'm saying that since we don't know how Otsutsukis travel through space it's possible that they could have some unknown method of finding places - Not actually making any claims, simply noting that there are many possible options for what could be happening.

You're saying that since we don't know if they do something like that then they must be just aimlessly flying through space - In other words claiming something to be true based on a lack of evidence.

 

[Samlex1234]

I'm not saying she opened a portal. I'm saying we don't actually know how she absorbed it and some form of STN is a possibility.

Zetsu said she recovers faster in the root dimension so there is clearly something unique about it.

It being the "closest to earth" is not impossible but also not implied. What we DO know is that one of the things that makes the root space unique is that it's connected to all of her other dimensions.

So it's very much possible and I would even say likely that the other dimensions simply aren't connected to earths dimension in a way that would allow them to summon IT chakra.

If his chakra can physically travel through space what's stopping him from doing so?

That's assuming he saw the moon from several light years away.

I mean yeah and we see him on one of those specifically using STN.

My main point here is that we simply lack information on his travels

That's just headcanon. Boruto didn't even know he can tap into Momoshikis experience until Code told him. Boruto even outright says he doesn't know where they are

That very panel shows Boruto saying he doesn't know how STN works.

It's not a false equivalency because I'm not saying they're the same to begin with. Since yk, we're talking about teleporting aliens with magic eyes, not humans with regular telescopes.
And wdym "different dimensions"? Is there any evidence for Naruto earth being in some distinct dimension away from the regular universe?

That's pretty ironic, do you know what an argument from ignorance is...?
It's the claim that something is or isn't true based on an absence of evidence. Which is what you are doing here.
I'm saying that since we don't know how Otsutsukis travel through space it's possible that they could have some unknown method of finding places - Not actually making any claims, simply noting that there are many possible options for what could be happening.

You're saying that since we don't know if they do something like that then they must be just aimlessly flying through space - In other words claiming something to be true based on a lack of evidence.

What a waste of my time, you just ignored all my points I’m done replying to you.

 

[DavidTPPM]

What a waste of my time, you just ignored all my points I’m done replying to you.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

What a waste of my time, you just ignored all my points I’m done replying to you.

average day on here

 

[Fugoshikii]

I doubt keeping up with someone for a little while without them really explicitly dealing catastrophic levels of damage is enough grounds for scaling to them

The wiki treats that feat as good enough to be above base momo which is perfect for Naruto because he isn’t totally on fused momo’s level but he’s not fully below base momo either

I see it as
Base naruto~Base Momo
Half power Kurama mode six paths yada yada>~fused momo

that feat is an outlier, if base naruto is relative to fused momoshiki then spsm naruto should one shot him, but that doesn't happen, narratively it makes sense that they're close in their fp meaning that base naruto shouldn't really scale to fused momo. u can also argue that fused momo was holding back in the beginning but that's a little goofy argument maybe.

 

[Fugoshikii]

Are Kawaki’s rod speeds equal to Jigen & Isshiki’s, despite no “actual” Confirmation he is on par with them?

they are slower, borushiki could stop them while sasuke who is easily above borushiki and he has rinnegan and 3t sharingan cannot even fully track them when he's confronting jigen/isshiki.