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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

So, if Boruto never gets the Jogan in the Manga and it simply remains the Byakugan, are we then going to fully separate the Anime & Manga as different continuities?
 
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no? i doubt that'll happen tho
kishimoto and ikemoto implied it'll come back into the story during the interviews iirc so its absolutely canon regardless of what people think
 
Jougan is just a worse Karma if you really think about it. Only thing it has above Karma is that Byakugan vision
 
It can see chakra and chakra points like the Byakugan, but more importantly it allows Boruto to see chakra from different dimensions, as shown throughout that whole arc with Sumire and Nue. Boruto's Jougan activated every time he saw Nue's chakra. Even better, he's able to see through dimensions too. When Nue's dimension was breaking apart, Boruto was able to see Konoha while still in the dimension.

In addition to the Byakugan's (minor) precognition, it also allows him to predict where portals will open up, we see that against Urashiki, which is how he and Shinki were able to hurt him, and we also see it briefly against Sumire, right before she got sucked up into the portal by Nue, his Jogan was reacting to the portal before it even opened up.

It's also a speed amp (shown in Sumire vs Mitsuki), and it allows Boruto to tap further into his chakra reserves even when he's low on chakra (shown against Shizuma)

all i can remember rn

tbh its actually kinda different than karma but it does have some overlap
 
Nierre said:
It can see chakra and chakra points like the Byakugan, but more importantly it allows Boruto to see chakra from different dimensions, as shown throughout that whole arc with Sumire and Nue. Boruto's Jougan activated every time he saw Nue's chakra. Even better, he's able to see through dimensions too. When Nue's dimension was breaking apart, Boruto was able to see Konoha while still in the dimension.

In addition to the Byakugan's (minor) precognition, it also allows him to predict where portals will open up, we see that against Urashiki, which is how he and Shinki were able to hurt him, and we also see it briefly against Sumire, right before she got sucked up into the portal by Nue, his Jogan was reacting to the portal before it even opened up.

It's also a speed amp (shown in Sumire vs Mitsuki), and it allows Boruto to tap further into his chakra reserves even when he's low on chakra (shown against Shizuma)

all i can remember rn

tbh its actually kinda different than karma but it does have some overlap
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It would kinda help Boruto with his lack of conventional Sensing abilities, but once he masters his Karma, Momoshiki's Byakugan will serve that purpose so it's barely an upgrade over his Karma when all's said and done.
However, given the initial hype surrounding the eye, I wouldn't be surprised if there's more additional functionalities and cool abilities we simply haven't been introduced to yet that could make it a big boost to his arsenal. For example, full blown Precognition or something. That + Time Stop would make Boruto kinda cracked lol.
 
Nierre said:
no? i doubt that'll happen tho
kishimoto and ikemoto implied it'll come back into the story during the interviews iirc so its absolutely canon regardless of what people think
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Kishimoto also said he forgot to give Boruto & Hima Byakugan. 🤷‍♂️

All i’m saying is, “if” it doesn’t appear in the manga and it “is” just a Byakugan, how are we handling that?
 
we just move on? there's nothing to do, if it doesn't show up, then it was just left out of the story.
 
Nierre said:
it really isn't but okay
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Well why do you think that is? It was a significant plot point in the Academy Arcs. Brought up again against Momoshiki. Played a significant roll against Urashiki, where Narrative weight was again placed upon it, and it is a plot point based on his usage against it against Kawaki in the Anime, which means MORE narrative weight will have to be given to it.

So please correct me if I am mistaken in it “not really” being a narrative factor.
 
It's not really a counter though, Minato's is so much more better and faster, Boruto will just be fighting an up-hill battle if he tries to go FTG for FTG.

Especially considering one of Boruto's weaknesses being the fact that his markers need to be different or else it's harder for him to differentiate, so he has a more limited toolkit compared to Minato's
 
Nierre said:
Especially considering one of Boruto's weaknesses being the fact that his markers need to be different or else it's harder for him to differentiate, so he has a more limited toolkit compared to Minato's
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Iirc, this is only for Long Distance Teleporting if it’s out of eyesight.
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Well why do you think that is? It was a significant plot point in the Academy Arcs. Brought up again against Momoshiki. Played a significant roll against Urashiki, where Narrative weight was again placed upon it, and it is a plot point based on his usage against it against Kawaki in the Anime, which means MORE narrative weight will have to be given to it.

So please correct me if I am mistaken in it “not really” being a narrative factor.
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The story does highlight the importance of the Jougan but I'm saying that if that plot point gets dropped, then that's not a "gotcha" moment in making them separate continuities. It's just a plot point thats dropped, there's nothing else to it. At worst, it's just Ikemoto retconning it out of the story, but it doesn't affect anything in terms of continuity.

Sarada mentioning how the Karma may be related to the Byakugou seal leaves us with a very obvious and open plotline, it's been well over half a decade since then and we haven't touched that subject in the story since. It's an open ended plotline that we're still waiting to reach, if the manga ends tomorrow and we never touch on that idea again, then it's just a plotline Ikemoto decided didn't fit into the story he's trying to write, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen or doesn't exist in the story.
 
Nierre said:
It's not really a counter though, Minato's is so much more better and faster, Boruto will just be fighting an up-hill battle if he tries to go FTG for FTG.

Especially considering one of Boruto's weaknesses being the fact that his markers need to be different or else it's harder for him to differentiate, so he has a more limited toolkit compared to Minato's
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Teleportation speed wasn’t mentioned as a limitation. Boruto’s only real limit is the time needed to sense his metal across vast distances, and even that took less than a minute for inter-dimensional travel. In a fight, neither he nor Minato can teleport to places they haven’t been before. Unless Minato has a seal in another dimension, both are restricted to Earth, meaning Boruto’s teleportation limit is practically negated.
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Hokage Minato vs TBV Boruto (Equal Stats), who wins?
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You can create the CRT if you want, I think it’s a good matchup. However, Minato’s sealing techniques which is the only advantage he has are unlikely to land since Boruto can fly and attack from range. Minato simply can’t contend with Boruto, and he doesn’t even need to use Uzuhiko. Outside of sealing techniques, Boruto has practically all of Minato’s bag and more dude is ridiculously haxxed.
 
Nierre said:
The story does highlight the importance of the Jougan but I'm saying that if that plot point gets dropped, then that's not a "gotcha" moment in making them separate continuities. It's just a plot point thats dropped, there's nothing else to it. At worst, it's just Ikemoto retconning it out of the story, but it doesn't affect anything in terms of continuity.

Sarada mentioning how the Karma may be related to the Byakugou seal leaves us with a very obvious and open plotline, it's been well over half a decade since then and we haven't touched that subject in the story since. It's an open ended plotline that we're still waiting to reach, if the manga ends tomorrow and we never touch on that idea again, then it's just a plotline Ikemoto decided didn't fit into the story he's trying to write, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen or doesn't exist in the story.
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This is where I have difficulty about that explanation and example…

The Jougan has only ever been stated and referenced in the Anime, not the Manga. So long as the Manga doesn’t expressly “contradict” what it is stated to be and never references it again, then yes, that explanation would make sense as a dropped plotline. But if it is stated to be Byakugan or implied to be Byakugan at that time, that isn’t simply a dropped Plot Line… that is a significant contradiction.

And given it’s narrative importance with Toneri and Urashiki, etc, even writing it off as simply a retcon is bad because of the other narrative points that relied on it specifically “being a Jougan Eye”.

And that is not the same as the Karma/Byakugou Plotline brought up in both mediums and never brought up again.
 
Samlex1234 said:
You can create the CRT if you want, I think it’s a good matchup. However, Minato’s sealing techniques which is the only advantage he has are unlikely to land since Boruto can fly and attack from range. Minato simply can’t contend with Boruto, and he doesn’t even need to use Uzuhiko. Outside of sealing techniques, Boruto has practically all of Minato’s bag and more dude is ridiculously haxxed.
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Iirc, aren’t “Equal Stats” threads banned from being added to profiles?
 
Just to flex a bit, depending on the speed rating, Boruto could just fly to the moon, place a metal there, and boom he gains more range than Minato FTG. 😏
 
Though it's dubious whether he should scale to Suigetsu anyway, considering he was just testing him and wasn't going all out
 
Nierre said:
Though it's dubious whether he should scale to Suigetsu anyway, considering he was just testing him and wasn't going all out
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But then again it was also at Orochimaru’s directive. He did throw 1000 Ninja at Sasuke intending for them to die…

Idk if his “training” methods mellowed out with his demeanor 😭
 
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