Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[NeoKingOfLight]

which ones?

I’ll get back to you with scans later today but I also will say you cannot “gatekeep” what can or cannot be shown. Of course, “context” will not be ignored.

the Boruto IP is separate,

The Boruto IP is and will always be apart of the Naruto IP as a whole. It’s a sequel series that builds upon that existing legacy. You cannot separate the two here.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Yeah no one here is even asking for this

well I am asking for this but usually keep it to myself, I just dont think if a story doesnt fulfil my headcanon desires it is not grounds to criticize it

? It’s obviously not though. Otherwise those people wouldn’t be here discussing/keeping up with the series?

read AF and Neo's posts lol

it can be a dealbreaker and people can still keep up with the series, even the boruto hater goons on twitter keep up with the series so they can diss it, knowing that the normal consumers keeping up with something just to complain infinitely does not sound far fetched

The Boruto IP is and will always be apart of the Naruto IP as a whole. It’s a sequel series that builds upon that existing legacy. You cannot separate the two here.

It can and has been separated since chapter 1, deal with it

 

[DavidTPPM]

Calling it "just gripes" is such a weird way to downplay valid criticism.
Power is an extremely important plot-driving factor in Boruto, them not expressing/showing power properly is a real valid criticism.

I mean at this point it's straight up a writing flaw because Ikemoto is failing to portray something extremely important to the narrative. Show don't tell is writing 101 and Ikemoto is failing so hard at it that people doubt Code being Jigen level even after like 5 individual statements about it.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

It can and has been separated since chapter 1, deal with it

Except it hasn’t. You can argue, “Legally this and that”, but it’s apart of the Naruro IP whether you like it or not.

So you can either cope harder or calm tf down. Your choice…

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Calling it "just gripes" is such a weird way to downplay valid criticism.
Power is an extremely important plot-driving factor in Boruto, them not expressing/showing power properly is a real valid criticism.

I mean at this point it's straight up a writing flaw because Ikemoto is failing to portray something extremely important to the narrative. Show don't tell is writing 101 and Ikemoto is failing so hard at it that people doubt Code being Jigen level even after like 5 individual statements about it.

Like when he introduced uzuhiko. So your telling me this is a planet level attack and it barely makes leafs on a tree shake

 

[Godernet]

the entire planet was shaking when Uzuhiko was used so that's actually the only exception

 

[DavidTPPM]

Like when he introduced uzuhiko. So your telling me this is a planet level attack and it barely makes leafs on a tree shake

What's funniest to me about it is how basically everyone has teleportation now so they could easily go to a random dimension for a fight, as they often do, and just blast the shit out it. Or, again, go the ki control route and canonically confirm DC reduction for AP.


This is one of the few series where they can truly afford to make a huge spectacle of a fight that leaves the battlefield in shambles with no negative impact on the story, and yet they choose to have Code glaze tree destruction instead.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

What's funniest to me about it is how basically everyone has teleportation now so they could easily go to a random dimension for a fight, as they often do, and just blast the shit out it. Or, again, go the ki control route and canonically confirm DC reduction for AP.


This is one of the few series where they can truly afford to make a huge spectacle of a fight that leaves the battlefield in shambles with no negative impact on the story, and yet they choose to have Code glaze tree destruction instead.

Hopefully the anime can fix this.

 

[Nierre]

the entire planet was shaking when Uzuhiko was used so that's actually the only exception

im not to surprised we didn't get this but it would've been cool to see reactions from other villages/countries after the WHOLE planet shook

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

It’s a preference not an inability, he’s the same person that drew omnipotence taking place across several space time continuums

Drawing a generic Planet in space with Light Wave going around it is not equivocal to something like this. Don’t speak on artistic ability if you personally can’t understand that much.

Boruto is just not about feats

Did I say it was? There isn’t even an implication in my statements. The conversation is about Ikemoto’s depiction of these certain feats “whenever” he attempts them. Don’t respond to me with some bs you wanna pull out of ass when you are the one making a mountain out of a mole hill. That’s the problem with people like you in general who have an inability to keep things on topic and want to bring in other shit nobody is talking about.

It’s about hax and ap, requiring the same tier 6 rubbish is so cringe to me because it achieves nothing he’s already above those levels why the hell would he keep repeating the same thing over and over and over again?

Not my issue. Take it up with someone who is actually making those arguments.

What purpose does it even serve? Y’all complaining about literally nothing

You are arguing with a ghost of your own making because nobody is discussing it that deeply. The conversation is literally about what he has attempted vs what the verse is known for and his ability to depict what he attempts. But knock yourself out ig.

If you’re too outraged

Oh stfu with this nonsense.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Did nard BM vs ishiki have any environmental destruction? I honestly don’t even remember any specific environmental damage from that fight

Like nard vs toe has the moon split

 

[DavidTPPM]

Did nard BM vs ishiki have any environmental destruction? I honestly don’t even remember any specific environmental damage from that fight

In the manga? Bro the fight lasted 7 punches/kicks before Naruto weakened and then about 7 more.

Not only was there no environmental destruction but if that was 2 silhouettes so you can't tell it's Naruto characters you'd think you're watching a low tier AoT character fight

 

[Godernet]

no, although tbf that one was due to the Form Mechanics for Nard (no jutsu, no wasted moves, just h2h till Isshiki dies)

why did Isshiki or the other Otsutsuki not do crazy stuff?

Ike just doesn't wanna, definitely to the detriment of the series' and its previous portrayals of power.

but it is what it is.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

no, although tbf that one was due to the Form Mechanics for Nard (no jutsu, no wasted moves, just h2h till Isshiki dies)

why Otsutsuki fights aren't more destructive, Ike just doesn't wanna, def to the detriment of the series portrayal of power but it is what it is.

Borts greatest DC feat is the one we saw at the very beginning of the series. Destroyed konoha.

In the manga? Bro the fight lasted 7 punches/kicks before Naruto weakened and then about 7 more.

Not only was there no environmental destruction but if that was 2 silhouettes so you can't tell it's Naruto characters you'd think you're watching a low tier AoT character fight

Ima be real I don’t even read the bort manga. I only watched the anime until Nard BM fight and never touched it. But damn

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Well in the anime BM Naruto vs Isshiki there is a lil destruction

 

[DavidTPPM]

Ima be real I don’t even read the bort manga. I only watched the anime until Nard BM fight and never touched it. But damn

To be fair I was always a BM hater so my opinion on the fight might definitely be biased (although I do really like the anime version).

I always hated the design, the fight, and even the abilities and how it was handled. I still think it's absolutely doodoo and should have been handled completely differently

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Calling it "just gripes" is such a weird way to downplay valid criticism.
Power is an extremely important plot-driving factor in Boruto, them not expressing/showing power properly is a real valid criticism.

I mean at this point it's straight up a writing flaw because Ikemoto is failing to portray something extremely important to the narrative. Show don't tell is writing 101 and Ikemoto is failing so hard at it that people doubt Code being Jigen level even after like 5 individual statements about it.

"WHY ARE YOU NOT BUSTING PLANETS LIKE DRAGON BALL I DEMAND THAT YOU START DRAWING THOSE NOW"

this is ass criticism

I mean at this point it's straight up a writing flaw because Ikemoto is failing to portray something extremely important to the narrative. Show don't tell is writing 101 and Ikemoto is failing so hard at it that people doubt Code being Jigen level even after like 5 individual statements about it.

the writer chooses how he wants to display his narrative, if you don't like it, drop the manga
people doubt code>jigen because naruto fans are illiterate clowns, always have been and will continue to be like that for the rest of eternity, nothing will change that, there's no saving them, they cannot form coherent thoughts, NPCs

Except it hasn’t. You can argue, “Legally this and that”, but it’s apart of the Naruro IP whether you like it or not.

argument from ignorance? yeah then your take is weightless, dismissed

Drawing a generic Planet in space with Light Wave going around it is not equivocal to something like this. Don’t speak on artistic ability if you personally can’t understand that much.

no omnipotence def clears that lame explosion that calcs to mediocre levels based on that panel alone


this is another reason why I hate most naruto fans, kishimoto is not any standard for destructive feats or even writing, no one has to match or surpass him to validate their on screen feats or storytelling, you don't understand artistic ability yourself don't try to come lecture anyone here like you're matching those levels with your art, Idc for any of the lame ego shit youre tryna throw here

Did I say it was?

Did I say you said that? I can add new points to the discussion as much as I want, don't like it? stop responding instead of complaining

Not my issue. Take it up with someone who is actually making those arguments.

you're complaining and this is relevant, cope.

You are arguing with a ghost of your own making because nobody is discussing it that deeply. The conversation is literally about what he has attempted vs what the verse is known for and his ability to depict what he attempts. But knock yourself out ig.

Dodged the question award

Oh stfu with this nonsense.

womp womp

Not only was there no environmental destruction but if that was 2 silhouettes so you can't tell it's Naruto characters you'd think you're watching a low tier AoT character fight

this energy is not present for any other series btw ^
yall never say this for db bleach black clover fate god of war

 

[Samlex1234]

Mind you we're scaling Jura, a current age god tier, back to a feat from 2014. That's over TEN YEARS since we got a new feat. Even if you were to argue ETSO should scale to everyone, that still happened almost 11 years ago. With every new villain being as strong or stronger than those who did the feats over a decade ago.

I agree with you on some points, but the idea that the only feat for Tier 4 and above is ETSO isn’t entirely accurate. There are several statements and even a feat, although it’s one that seems overlooked. That said, it’s difficult to claim that they aren’t going all out on Earth to avoid collateral damage, especially when we’ve seen characters travel to other dimensions without causing significant impact. When Jura flew and launched a Bijuu Bomb toward Earth, it was visually stunning. Honestly, a single feat like Borushiki throwing Boro into the air and using a massive Rasengan to send him into space, destroying a star, would satisfy fans.

 

[DavidTPPM]

"WHY ARE YOU NOT BUSTING PLANETS LIKE DRAGON BALL I DEMAND THAT YOU START DRAWING THOSE NOW"

this is ass criticism

Bro get over this DB insecurity I DON'T EVEN WATCH/READ IT . I dropped DB 80 chapters into OG because I got bored of it.

That aside, I also didn't say I demand the characters to bust planets. I said that since power is an extremely important aspect of the story they should either showcase it better or give a canon explanation of why they're not showing it.

the writer chooses how he wants to display his narrative, if you don't like it, drop the manga

Again just because people have criticism towards it doesn't mean they hate it so much they'll drop it. You really can't handle even the smallest drop of criticism towards it without shouting "DROP IT! DROP IT NOW SINCE YOU HATE IT SO MUCH!!!!!"…

people doubt code>jigen because naruto fans are illiterate clowns, always have been and will continue to be like that for the rest of eternity, nothing will change that, there's no saving them, they cannot form coherent thoughts, NPCs

No, people mostly doubt it because he didn't show any feats and glazed Momoshiki for doing like, tier 8 destruction.

this energy is not present for any other series btw ^
yall never say this for db bleach black clover

Again with the insecurity. Brother I have NOT read a SINGLE chapter of BC and dropped DB before they even introduced the green guy that aura farms a lot.
And if you look at my activity you'll see all my interactions with Bleach were
1. Debating against Bleach characters on vs threads.
2. Arguing against Bleach upgrades (like the ongoing Gremmy CRT).
3. Arguing against Bleach hax (like Aizens EE).

You really can't play this "you're bias" card on me because I don't watch the series you're so insecure about.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

I’m not playing bias cards bud

I’m using them as examples, disagreeing with Aizens EE isn’t the same as saying “ha bleach/db/fate characters fight like they’re in aot”

That energy is reserved only for boruto for some reason


Way to miss the whole point David

 

[MinatoSparkle]

the writer chooses how he wants to display his narrative, if you don't like it, drop the manga

Ghost, this all or nothing mindset is really not helpful

 

[DavidTPPM]

I’m not playing bias cards bud

I’m using them as examples, disagreeing with Aizens EE isn’t the same as saying “ha bleach/db/fate characters fight like they’re in aot”

That energy is reserved only for boruto for some reason

That literally is an attempt to call out bias against Boruto… which again, I clearly don't have but also

bleach

I never commented on Bleach's story, choreography, or fights on here so how would you even know what "energy" I approach it with?

/db/

Dropped early on before it even became a fight-centric series so again, never commented on its fights or choreography.

fate

Never read or watched it.

So yeah, you can try acting like I'm unfair against Boruto but that simply isn't the case. I'm just making observations, it's not my fault BM did 9-B levels of damage in his fight with Isshiki.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

it's not my fault BM did 9-B levels of damage in his fight with Isshiki.

Did he even

 

[DavidTPPM]

Did he even

He slightly cracks the ground when he kicks Isshiki towards it, that could be considered like low end 9-B right?
(also kicking someone that fast would definitely calc in the 9-B ish range so technically that might count)

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Ghost, this all or nothing perspective is really not helpful

Complaining and then Continuing a manga you know won’t drop feats and then knowing you’ll complain in the future about the same thing over and over and over again doesn’t get tiring?

If you’ve decided “okay this thing I dislike but I’ll still continue because I enjoy the overall story despite that” that would be okay but that’s not happening here, people have been complaining about Boruto not being like Naruto for years now even tho it’s been made clear it’s not gonna follow the same direction and that it’s a different story


That’s why the best advice to give to people who can’t stomach the idea of lack of feats is = just go read something else, it’s not for you

I never commented on Bleach's story, choreography, or fights on here so how would you even know what "energy" I approach it with?

Dropped early on before it even became a fight-centric series so again, never commented on its fights or choreography.

Never read or watched it.

So yeah, you can try acting like I'm unfair against Boruto but that simply isn't the case. I'm just making observations, it's not my fault BM did 9-B levels of damage in his fight with Isshiki.

Yeah you’ve consumed bleach but didn’t feel the need to say that about their fights

You sure as hell felt like that for boruto yes? So there you go

I haven’t really read thru dbs or fate or gow in that way either but I’ve seen clips and I’m sure you did as well and the general rule still applies, most of these verses don’t drop feats at all and solely carried by statements


Hell the tier 1 verses like Umineko? Everyone’s human~athlete level via on screen feats and outer~high outer via statemenrs


Doom, one of my favourite verses has 9A feats with one H6A gun but gets scaled all the way to 1C via lore

The more you look around you realise why this type of argument is just bad and weak, if others can choose to be fearless Boruto can as well

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

That energy is reserved only for boruto for some reason

No i hold the same criticism for series like dragonball.

if theres a large dissonance between how strong the characters are how they are constantly portrayed it muddies the scale of the conflict you as a writer are trying to convey in terms of its stakes and impact.

if you dont want to convey that sort of power then why bother making the characters stronger? instead of linear power progression why not lateral or why showcase it to begin with if your not not gonna commit to it.

i get boruto isnt exactly ideal for the writer because he isnt starting from scratch and has to continue on from someone elses work, but being a spin off series goes both ways, you cant simultaneously want to divorce yourself from the earlier series while using its framework as the building block of your own.

 

[Testarossa002]

how many more times are we supposed to keep showing things

At least once every arc isn't too much to ask

its been repeatedly implied and stated theyre not gonna show the "cool factor" youre looking for

But they do show the "cool factor"
I already mentioned Sakura
Kawaki did same
Borushiki did too
Naruto nuked Delta with massive rasengan even though a basic rasengan would have disabled her regardless
Heck, boruto x naruto in the timeslip arc cleared the sky with their combo rasengan
All of these showings (except the last one) were done rather casually and were depicted as the characters just flexing on other characters
Using code as an example, it's not too much to depict him splitting the ground as far as the eye can see with a punch. We know he's well beyond that, but it gives spectators (e.g bug) sense of strength to back up the hype

if you want the teeny tiny stuff that keeps reminding you they're not tier 9 then boruto has that, naruto didnt even go super crazy with 7A on screen shit until narutos V2 jin forms dropped, you needed middle of shippuden to start having 7A stuff

Because the scale of power wasn't as big initially. Most of part 1 was filled with genins and chunins running around. Even at that, we got jirobo throwing Choji into the air

give a canon explanation of why they're not showing it.

This though, it's more or less implied during naruto that the more refined your chakra control is, the more precise your techniques become. Meaning no need to do more damage outside of the intended target

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

that being said boruto not having massive DC feats like naruto doesnt bother me, its more how creatively they use their powers and i do think since ikemoto took over it has gotten better.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

-Snip-

Oh brother…

 

[DavidTPPM]

Yeah you’ve consumed bleach but didn’t feel the need to say that about their fights

How would you even know that? I never talk about it on the wiki because I'm uninterested in it.
And outside of the wiki I actually do criticize Bleach fights basically half the time I talk about them. Specially the same issues I have with Boruto - those being mediocre choreography and absurd lack of feats compared to the tiers people claim they're in.

But why tf would I randomly comment on Bleach in a Naruto/Boruto discussion thread while talking about Boruto manga?

You sure as hell felt like that for boruto yes? So there you go

Bro whenever I'm online and not working on GoH stuff there's a 50% chance I'm somewhere glazing Boruto TBV manga, saying I feel bias against it just because I have criticism against it is silly.

The more you look around you realise why this type of argument is just bad and weak, if others can choose to be fearless Boruto can as well

2 wrongs don't make a right.

It's also a bit of a false equivalence because (and I may be wrong in which case idc, it's a minor point) unlike Fate, Boruto is a continuation of a different series which already had a highly destructive battle system. So without a canon explanation of why suddenly nobody does collateral damage it's essentially contradicting it.

 

[DavidTPPM]

This though, it's more or less implied during naruto that the more refined your chakra control is, the more precise your techniques become. Meaning no need to do more damage outside of the intended target

Not exactly. The rasen shuriken for example was considered a ridiculous feat of chakra control, needing to shape wind release into nearly infinite microscopic wind needles spinning around an already complex enough rasengan. And yet it caused a massive explosion every time it was used, getting bigger and bigger as it improved even when Narutos chakra was essentially perfect.
Tsunade and Sakura are also the number 1 chakra control merchants and also the number 1 collateral damage merchants at once.

So while it's very much possible for Ike and Kishi to make this explanation canon, it's not yet actually implied within the current canon.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Not exactly. The rasen shuriken for example was considered a ridiculous feat of chakra control, needing to shape wind release into nearly infinite microscopic wind needles spinning around an already complex enough rasengan. And yet it caused a massive explosion every time it was used, getting bigger and bigger as it improved even when Narutos chakra was essentially perfect.
Tsunade and Sakura are also the number 1 chakra control merchants and also the number 1 collateral damage merchants at once.

So while it's very much possible for Ike and Kishi to make this explanation canon, it's not yet actually implied within the current canon.

The Rasengan is a clear example of AP>DC since the point of it is to condense and contain chakra compactly

 

[DavidTPPM]

The Rasengan is a clear example of AP>DC since the point of it is to condense and contain chakra compactly

Yeah I'm not denying that. I'm saying that having better chakra control isn't really implied to make DC disappear the way it does in Boruto.
It can be used to amplify AP but it's never really shown to remove DC

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Suuuure ig, although it's honestly just a universal Shonen trope that AP and DC are vastly different most of the time

 

[Nierre]

I could do the funniest thing and get every single feat calced and evaluated. even the tier 9 feats and add them to the verse page as "supporting calcs"

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I could do the funniest thing and get every single feat calced and evaluated. even the tier 9 feats and add them to the verse page as "supporting calcs"

 

[Stryker861]

I could do the funniest thing and get every single feat calced and evaluated. even the tier 9 feats and add them to the verse page as "supporting calcs"

I gotchu

 

[ssgengar]

Gotta calc that feat of Code taking hella damage from getting kicked into a wall

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

How would you guys feel if Chapter 21 blue-balls everyone and switches back to what’s happening in Konoha with Eida, Kawaki, Shikamaru & Himawari and doesn’t go back until 22?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I'll prepare my pitchfork