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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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Kid Konohamaru >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> groomer Konohamaru 
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you know I would complain far less about lack of feats in Boruto if Kishi just finally decided to recontextualize certain scaling for shippuden god tiers
Like Juubi lore, kaguya's dimensions, hagoromo's time and space shit and so on
It's so tiring
Like we are quite literally on the ******* SEQUEL of the SEQUEL rn and we don't even have mountain level dc feats like in the war arc
That is genuinely just bad no matter how you look at it
And Kishimoto def knows what he's doing and is trolling us
After all, he specifically had Naruto/Sasuke go out of their way to acknowledge how during their battles with Momoshiki/Isshiki they were in another dimension and thus didn't have to worry about destroying their home and the surrounding nations like in the real world and thus could go wild
Barely making dents in the ground
Kill me man...
Like Juubi lore, kaguya's dimensions, hagoromo's time and space shit and so on
It's so tiring
Like we are quite literally on the ******* SEQUEL of the SEQUEL rn and we don't even have mountain level dc feats like in the war arc
That is genuinely just bad no matter how you look at it
And Kishimoto def knows what he's doing and is trolling us
After all, he specifically had Naruto/Sasuke go out of their way to acknowledge how during their battles with Momoshiki/Isshiki they were in another dimension and thus didn't have to worry about destroying their home and the surrounding nations like in the real world and thus could go wild
Barely making dents in the ground
Kill me man...
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That’s a little overracting
Boruto js an AP oriented story it’s not meant to have feats, no feats = no room for outlier or inconsistency
Boruto js an AP oriented story it’s not meant to have feats, no feats = no room for outlier or inconsistency
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Hagoromo Time and space?
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Hagormo existing above time and space/moving through time stuff
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Naruto is more AP oriented story too yet Kishi clearly didn't shit away from destroying every poor mountain he could in the war arc
Unironically the best DC feat we have in the series that I can think of is Isshiki kicking Naruto through a few buildings which was a highly rare occurrence at that mind you
I can't even use the excuse of so long as the story is good I can ignore most power scaling cause Boruto's story is consistently average for the most part
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the best DC feat we have in the series is prob the rasengan blowing apart the bottom half god tree in the momo arc.
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I don't mind the lack of feats that much but I do find it odd that so many battles purposely happened in a different dimension where they could just nuke the battlefield with no regards for citizen safety (Momoshikis, Jigens, Isshiki's, Shinju birth) and yet we didn't get a SINGLE feat that would visually rival even like, Temari destroying a forest in part 1.
Like it doesn't need to be like, a character blowing up a planet or anything. Collateral damage is usually just the best way to make character actually feel strong
Like it doesn't need to be like, a character blowing up a planet or anything. Collateral damage is usually just the best way to make character actually feel strong
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The highest should be Bee's bijuu bomb (which was in Chapter 1 or so) when you factor in vaporisation
Ghostimuscrime
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No Naruto was never an ap oriented story, it was full of smurfs and feat merchants, the bijuu were special because of their earth shattering destructive power
Boruto era doesn’t need feats and most likely won’t drop feats you just gotta accept that
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Was it? I mean there definitely are some DC merchants like Deidara, but I feel like there's a lot more AP oriented stuff.
Any piercing attacks (so all lightning style, swordsmanship, claw attacks, etc) and majority of brute force attacks (yeah sometimes they have building level DC but like tier 7-6 AP) are high on AP but lack DC. Basically only finisher moves like the RS, Kirin, TBB, etc have high DC.
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Boruto and Shinki | BORUTO | NARUTO OFFICIAL SITE (NARUTO & BORUTO)
Boruto distracts Urashiki long enough for Shinki to enter the Land of Fire with Shukaku. When he realizes he's been tricked, Urashiki decides to use Boruto as
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Idk who this mythical "Satsuke" is that couldn't defeat Urashiki but it sure ain't my goat SasukeBoruto and Shinki | BORUTO | NARUTO OFFICIAL SITE (NARUTO & BORUTO)
Boruto distracts Urashiki long enough for Shinki to enter the Land of Fire with Shukaku. When he realizes he's been tricked, Urashiki decides to use Boruto asnaruto-official.com
L5B urashiki confirmed
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Fr he must be a fraud, the goat sasuke would never take a L like that
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Ikemoto is bad at scale… that’s why I don’t think he draws crazy amounts of collateral damage, and when he does, he botches it.
- KB — Hole in the middle of s Lake with nothing to scale the size off of.
- Jura — TBB explosion took ip the whole panel. Nothing to scale the size off of.
- Jura vs Hima — I’ll never forgive him for the TBB clash…
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i read somewhere that ike is purposely toning down fights because he doesn’t like big flashy fights like shippudenIkemoto is bad at scale… that’s why I don’t think he draws crazy amounts of collateral damage, and when he does, he botches it.
After that TBB Clash, I’ve completely given up on AoE / Collateral Damage feats. They’re not happening.
- KB — Hole in the middle of s Lake with nothing to scale the size off of.
- Jura — TBB explosion took ip the whole panel. Nothing to scale the size off of.
- Jura vs Hima — I’ll never forgive him for the TBB clash…
Ghostimuscrime
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It’s a preference not an inability, he’s the same person that drew omnipotence taking place across several space time continuumsIkemoto is bad at scale… that’s why I don’t think he draws crazy amounts of collateral damage, and when he does, he botches it.
After that TBB Clash, I’ve completely given up on AoE / Collateral Damage feats. They’re not happening.
- KB — Hole in the middle of s Lake with nothing to scale the size off of.
- Jura — TBB explosion took ip the whole panel. Nothing to scale the size off of.
- Jura vs Hima — I’ll never forgive him for the TBB clash…
Boruto is just not about feats, it’s about hax and ap, requiring the same tier 6 rubbish is so cringe to me because it achieves nothing he’s already above those levels why the hell would he keep repeating the same thing over and over and over again? What purpose does it even serve? Y’all complaining about literally nothing
If you’re too outraged by the feats drop the manga and go read something else, surely DBS blows up universes in every arc try that
MinatoSparkle
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Wanting more impressive feats =/= too outraged to read the manga
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He didn't. He showed us the result but we only got to see vague light coming around earth.
Remind me again how many AP multipliers did Boruto introduce? 0? So then it has to be in-universe scaling right?
Not that either because it's big 2025 and our best evidence about Momoshiki > Kaguya are vague claims from uninformed mfers with no statements scaling people to anyone else in shippuden.
And hax outside the Shibai twins are so far pretty doodoo. Most characters just have watered down rinnegans that serve more as a decoration than actual ability or some sort of teleportation, Nard and Sauce just don't even use hax anymore, and the strongest villain hax we have is just Antman on steroids with the strongest good guy hax being a rasengan with dura neg as if you needed duraneg after hitting the opponent with any stronger rasengan variant.
99% of fights are just physical brawls with the occasional teleportation, the series is most certainly not "about hax".
Because it looks cool? I mean look at someone like Boros from OPM. The fodder has no feat beyond mountain level and relativistic+ but good 50% of people outside the wiki will tell you he solos Narutoverse just because he does a done of collateral damage. And if Ikemoto doesn't like that he could have always just give a canon "characters concentrate their power to reduce DC but increase AP" statement but we don't even have that either.
Criticizing something that you like but would like to see improved isn't really "complaining about nothing".
You have a weird grudge against DB. That aside, this is a really weird approach to issues. Dropping the manga over minor criticism is silly.
If most of the fights are just 2 people punching each other and the story strongly hinges on who's stronger than who, it's reasonable to expect a proper showcase of power.
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Mind you we're scaling Jura, a current age god tier, back to a feat from 2014. That's over TEN YEARS since we got a new feat. Even if you were to argue ETSO should scale to everyone, that still happened almost 11 years ago. With every new villain being as strong or stronger than those who did the feats over a decade ago.
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We are calling lack of repeated destruction feats “criticism”
Oh man
Oh man
MinatoSparkle
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It's about the spectacle I think
Ghostimuscrime
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Doesn’t matter
Criticism is about judging merits and faults, the writer choosing to lean into more ninjas esque fights instead of constant big booms isn’t even a flaw, it’s such a weird thing to complain
Naruto Scaling isn’t even complete we’re going through constant revisions and changes unlike some verses who concluded their scaling
People have gripes in a story and blame the writer and act like it’s their short coming for some weird reason
Criticism is about judging merits and faults, the writer choosing to lean into more ninjas esque fights instead of constant big booms isn’t even a flaw, it’s such a weird thing to complain
Naruto Scaling isn’t even complete we’re going through constant revisions and changes unlike some verses who concluded their scaling
People have gripes in a story and blame the writer and act like it’s their short coming for some weird reason
MinatoSparkle
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I think finding fights less entertaining cause of so and so reason is a valid complaint
Ghostimuscrime
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1) Fights can be entertaining without DC feats, if you believe otherwise that’s a you problem
No one complained about fights being boring they complained about lack of feats
2) Then shoulda dipped out early on knowing it’s not gonna give you what you want
Instead of following it for years and keeping up knowing it won’t show that stuff and still complaining
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Big booms are not compulsory in boruto nor does adding (or not adding them) make boruto better (or worse)
However, they help convey a general sense of power in fights.
The anime has a good example of this. Sarada and Sakura spar. The former is at least tier 6 even via conservative scaling and the latter is like tier 7. Yet, sakura casually cratering the ground (tier 8 at best) helped convey the idea to sarada that Sakura is pretty strong even though the viewers already know that. That's pretty much what's being asked here.
Even DBS doesn't show planet busting feats every time. Broly, Vegeta and Goku were wrecking parts of an ice continent like nothing even though they scale far before that. It helps add to the cool factor of their fight.
However, they help convey a general sense of power in fights.
The anime has a good example of this. Sarada and Sakura spar. The former is at least tier 6 even via conservative scaling and the latter is like tier 7. Yet, sakura casually cratering the ground (tier 8 at best) helped convey the idea to sarada that Sakura is pretty strong even though the viewers already know that. That's pretty much what's being asked here.
Even DBS doesn't show planet busting feats every time. Broly, Vegeta and Goku were wrecking parts of an ice continent like nothing even though they scale far before that. It helps add to the cool factor of their fight.
MinatoSparkle
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Almost like art is subjective, although I'm not saying they can't, just that DC can make a fight more entertaining
Fight quality was also mentioned iirc
Or they stayed for other reasons
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Sure, but he is also making attempts here and there, such as the aforementioned feats, and he is just not good at depicting it when he does try.
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..No one is saying fights need DC feats to be entertaining though, just that more of them sprinkled throughout the series would be nice
Yeah nobody said it’s some big deal breaker lmao like I said it’s ok to have judgements about something and still enjoy it as a whole
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Sure, it’s not a “requirement” or “necessary” to any degree, but the point is, the IP is known for great depictions of this and in every attempt he has shown to try and do just that, he is shown to not to be good at it.
If I have a Basketball team known for it’s players being famous at sinking 3 pointers consistently, it is not “necessary” for a new player to be able to do the same bc the game doesn’t require every player to be able to make 3s, there are many facets to it, but if you’re going to attempt 3s every now and then and you’re bad at it, expect criticism. Expect disappointment from fans of the team.
You can still be a insane player, but if you know you’re bad at making 3s, don’t attempt them or practice on it outside of official games until you get good at it.
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Ghostimuscrime
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how many more times are we supposed to keep showing things
AF complained about 7A feats not tier 8 so clearly everyone doesnt have the same idea about what feats they want, what they really want is freeza BS in other dimensions wanting naruto to be something its not, its been repeatedly implied and stated theyre not gonna show the "cool factor" youre looking for
if you want the teeny tiny stuff that keeps reminding you they're not tier 9 then boruto has that, naruto didnt even go super crazy with 7A on screen shit until narutos V2 jin forms dropped, you needed middle of shippuden to start having 7A stuff
so gripes, call it what it is, individual personal gripes instead of criticism cuz this isnt the latter
which ones? name stuff where you can prove he wants to show the big stuff
and dont give me the jura stuff cuz the point of it was power display not "Look how many joules he can dish out its almost tier 6!!"
"would be nice" isnt whats being said here otherwise I'd just scroll past because even I wish to see them nuke universes but to use that to play it off as story criticism is just absolute nonsense and when fight enjoyment is brought up to justify critiquing feats thats when you are implying explicitly that it determines your idea of fun
it definitely shouldnt be a deal breaker but it is in here for some reason
the Boruto IP is separate, its borutos story and not narutos, different character, different writer and artist, different directions, this has been clarified several times they dont owe you any feats, kishi gave up the steering wheel and ikemoto decides how his story goes, if you want more feats go harass kishimoto
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Yeah no one here is even asking for this
? It’s obviously not though. Otherwise those people wouldn’t be here discussing/keeping up with the series?it definitely shouldnt be a deal breaker but it is in here for some reason
