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Bc they never mixed it up for that to be brought up. This is literally every BM Naruto/Obito Reaction from a speed standpoint:
  1. Instance 1
  2. Instance 2 (And Naruto is Clearly trying to Combo w/ Kakashi)
  3. Instance 3
  4. Instance 4
  5. Instance 5
  6. Instance 6
  7. Instance 7
  8. Instance 8
  9. Instance 9
There's also Obito catching Naruto throwing Kakashi at him but you can argue Naruto held back and that's reaction speed anyways so wtv
These are all “Reaction Speed” Feats from Obito reacting to Naruto, which allows single movements or something like that, iirc. The closest thing was his Mokuton Usage, but he was attacking first and Naruto was reacting.
The speed of his Mokuton/Kamui ejection isn't gonna change whether he's the aggressor or defender
Every time Obito interacted with BM Naruto in a speed setting, he was reacting, Blitzed or Caught Off Guard. Never actually keeping up in combat speed.
Intercepting and tagging someone mid attack is keeping up with their combat speed
Well yeah, but that aspect wasn’t called into question.
You said he's hard capped in general
 
The speed of his Mokuton/Kamui ejection isn't gonna change whether he's the aggressor or defender
Yeah, but that’s his Ninjutsu/Doujutsu speed. Not physicals.
Intercepting and tagging someone mid attack is keeping up with their combat speed
I mean… according to Reaction Speed section on the wiki, the same is equally valid for simply Reaction Speed. And given KCM1 Naruto can keep up with this Obito, is it not fair to label this as Reaction Speed? Otherwise it becomes inconsistent scaling: KCM1 Naruto ~ WM Obito ~ BM Naruto ~ KCM1 Naruto???
You said he's hard capped in general
Obito has the stamina to go rounds with Naruto, but nobody is gonna claim Obito has comparable stamina to Naruto.
 
Yeah, but that’s his Ninjutsu/Doujutsu speed. Not physicals.
I'm talking about him holistically
I mean… according to Reaction Speed section on the wiki, the same is equally valid for simply Reaction Speed. And given KCM1 Naruto can keep up with this Obito, is it not fair to label this as Reaction Speed? Otherwise it becomes inconsistent scaling: KCM1 Naruto ~ WM Obito ~ BM Naruto ~ KCM1 Naruto???
My personal opinion is that Obito wasn't going all out against KCM1 Naruto given that outside of feats against KCM2 Naruto, Obito also has scaling to Kakashi who's ~Gated Guy>>Base Guy~KCM1 Naruto and to Minato who's ~KCM2, but if you want an inverse explanation, Obito pretty much always has the 3T Sharingan active against KCM1 Naruto, and fights KCM2 with the MS on.
Obito has the stamina to go rounds with Naruto, but nobody is gonna claim Obito has comparable stamina to Naruto.
He has better stamina than KCM2 Naruto.
 
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which version of Goku do you think is needed to solo each sub series of the naruto verse?

Round 1: Naruto (part 1)
Round 2: Shippuden
Round 3: Next Generations
Round 4: Two Blue Vortex

Theres two versions of these

Version 1: the characters that are present in the story until the final chapter, deceased MIA for the entire series characters are not counted, so Minato wouldnt be there for part 1 and Shibai wouldnt for Two Blue

Version 2: past and present as long as they have been mentioned and their feats either shown or stated. Minato would count for part 1 but only the feats that are highlighted so Gaiden and like the early lore.
Namek saga base goku points at the verse and they like die. Realistically saiyan saga, but I'm being generous here. Its not even fair fr.
 
So this thread got accepted
Moving forward, if you're planning a character overhaul, the default intelligence rating for ninjas, as long as they don't have anything better is now At least Gifted.
Cc @MadaraZKX

Now, i need help with applying it to the profiles for all ninjas in the verse. Those with Genius and Extraordinary Genius don't need to be updated. Those with Gifted can have it added as supporting evidence. Everyone below that gets the new rating.
To help (if you're inexperienced), follow this steps:
1. Look at the verse page for ninjas (i stopped at Anko and there are 60+ characters left) that fit the above criteria
2. Open source editing and head to the intelligence section.
3. Copy and paste this: At least '''Gifted''' (Ninjas, by default, have exceptional and well rounded scientific knowledge<ref>Shinobi Hiden Column 7: Science</ref>)
4. At the bottom of the page, you'll see a text box asking you to describe what you changed. Just copy and paste the aforementioned thread
5. Save your changes

Don't bother with locked pages. If it's locked, they most likely scale higher than the new ratings anyways.
If you have any issues, you can contact me on my wall.
Thank you for your expected cooperation
did this finish being applied?
 
Didn't really check but it's more of an overtime task since people are always making new profiles for existing characters
Alright, I'll try updating the untouched profiles tommorow




narutos profile looks like this rn
Average normally, Genius combatant, Extraordinary Genius with Chakra understanding and manipulation in Six Paths Sage Mode
the average here would be changed to gifted right?

narutos base intelligence being just avg doesnt sit right with me tbf
 
the average here would be changed to gifted right?

narutos base intelligence being just avg doesnt sit right with me tbf
I'm not sure about naruto because he's blatantly called an outlier
Shinobi can be outstanding scientists as well. Orochimaru, Yakushi Kabuto and Katasuke are representative examples, but even otherwise, all front- line shinobi (excluding exceptions such as Naruto) possess well-rounded scientific knowledge.
he can probably get higher via other means
 
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Who wins, Hokage Minato, Rinnegan Obito, and WA Kakashi (Minato has markers on his teammates and all over the battlefield for hundreds of kilometers; assume that Obito can make his teammates intangible via contact) or Hashirama?
 
Who wins, Hokage Minato, Rinnegan Obito, and WA Kakashi (Minato has markers on his teammates and all over the battlefield for hundreds of kilometers; assume that Obito can make his teammates intangible via contact) or Hashirama?
Hashi might be ****** ngl, that's a crazy 3v1. Does Obito have his Paths?
 
Who wins, Hokage Minato, Rinnegan Obito, and WA Kakashi (Minato has markers on his teammates and all over the battlefield for hundreds of kilometers; assume that Obito can make his teammates intangible via contact) or Hashirama?
kaguya solos these tier 6 bums 😹
 
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