for every single instance? really? especially when you have literally 0 secondary evidence to prove it's universal? Like if it showed a sky with multiple galaxies or something you might have something to work with but you're sorely lacking in evidence, admit it.
that's not really relevant I know world can have multiple meanings that works against you not for you. a dimension being called a world instead of jigen doesn't mean much
So true! Dr. Slump is written by Toriyama and is even canon to Dragon ball itself and it has an infinitely transcending R>F via Arale tearing her own manga panel high 1-B/low 1-A Dragon ball!!
Looking for galaxy and red shift nebulas as support in nard/bort manga is like asking for a miracle.
But in her profile she's Low 1-C.
if you're referring to the shirenu sekai that was shown in the anime, that's just a random planet in the main universe
No one is trying to prove anything. Take a break from powerscallinf and think narratively. It would be awfully dumb of momoshiki to be gassing up a God as ultimate if what he does is less impressive than what kaguya did with some random ahh shinobi chakra.
Nah I am just saying that expecting to see nebulas in any dimension be it otsutsuki or the nard one is like asking for miracles, only ones we see are fillers
well then that's just how it is. they aren't universes then
Bruh, that's like saying the nard dimension is only planet sized and not a universe because we don't see nebulas
the problem is, that's power scaling logic right there. while I agree it is incredibly dumb from out standpoint, to an average manga reader creating storms just by waving your hands or whatever Kaguya could already casually do, is still quite impressive and befitting of a God regardless of that. Like thing about it, if lets say we have a calc that got Kaguya to planetary. obviously she doesn't have a planet busting feat, so if Momoshiki hypes up a guy as a planet buster, that is quite impressive to an average manga reader/non-powerscaler whereas we know it is kinda dumb
that's an extremely shaky inference. Him saying "the world" could also literally just refer to "The world" that they are standing on right now, it doesn't contradict anything plus he couldn't have created the otsutsuki world anyway since it would've had to exist before him, so anything other than "the world" wouldn't make sense anyway when referring to earth.
nope, the default wiki assumption is that all "normal" fictional universes are low 2-C unless shown otherwise (although someone here was looking for scans of galaxies in the verse to prove that IIRC). This doesnt hold for dimensions that are different to the main universe, with them you actually do need strong explicit evidence of their size
Not for the wiki. There is a world of powerscaling outside this wiki.
Some don't understand
Yeah. I mean no offense to the wiki, but it's not the ultimate authority on powerscaling (even tho it's one of the best places to have discussions).
That was shibai before he became an otsusuki god. Back then he was an otsusuki lol. Ain't no way their pinnacle of existing is devouring planets so they can achieve power to create one when as normal otsusuki they already create dimensions?
It's not . You're not just reading it well. "It is said" is always used to pass down lore from generation to generation. Why would a lore passed through the otsusuki be in reference to creating earth? Some random planet they just discovered?
I struggle to imagine what other purpose it would serve
Really? ok lol.
that's not what I mean. The point is you can't really make the argument detached from powerscaling logic/narrative implication only when your argument uses that line of reasoning still. To an average manga reader the otsutsuki arent just going around "devouring planets" Galactus style (you'll notice this is more common with powerscalers like us), plus the reason you find it absurd is because as powerscalers we treat creation=destruction, but that's just another powerscaler assumption on our part.
but literally ANYONE can become an otsutsuki god if they eat enough chakra fruits, are you saying the Otsutsuki God first created the universe and everything and then went around planet to planet to devour them individually to become stronger? that's much more flawed reasoning. I dont think anyone can definitively prove who that statement was for, as far as we know the only Otsutsuki god to ever be mentioned is Shibai so i find it strange that the statement would be for someone else entirely. can't just assume that to support a flawed conclusion. Occam's razor suggests that the fact that he says "this world" (the world they're standing on right now) simply means he's referring to the planet they're on
No like why would anyone assume that the universe is not a universe??
it makes no sense powerscaling wise, it does make sense narratively no matter how dumb you think it is.
Ah, but they have to use that because Jigen is already a guy they have there.
Hate to break it to you, but Goku also damaged a manga panel.
wall level manga panel
Oh it's gonna get so much better than that. His intelligence and skill feats are insane.
He knows who his parents are, he can negotiate with the writers for any abilities he wants.
Here's how this works,
Alive Rasa
Any of the first kage not named hasriama
are there rasa fans here?
