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By the way, Goku is definitely not a character that stands out only with AP. He has regen, resistance to paralysis, his LS is Class T, he is good at H2H, he has Hakai and EE.
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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not happening lol. it's literally just an illusion. Anyone who told you it creates an actual universe is lying to you
general intelligence? sure? Naruto is severely lagging behind Goku in BIQ and skill, there is simply no comparison between them. it's obvious to anyone who watches the shows
CoAT is limited to its feats only. Nard's accelerated development is no where near as insane as Goku's who jumped multiple infinities in power in less than 48 minutes. Goku's superior AoE, AP and range takes care of any clones
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Nard also has those, except for the ap and lifting strength. Basically my point bro is better at smashing thing
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then you've just watched dragon ball with your eyes closed and ear plugs on lol
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In fact, we can say that Naruto can win with Genjutsu in a match of equal speed. Of course, Naruto does not prefer to do genjutsu, and even if he were to do it, preparation is needed for Gamma Genjutsu. I can say that if it was 2-C Itachi and not 2-C Naruto, he would definitely beat Goku.
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It literally does, obito says himself. And what about the minato hokage cloak or the fact that nard get damaged in the real world even though he was harmed in a supposed genjutsu
Never saw DBZ, but can bro make multiple step plans with perfect execution like nard, as far as I know DBZ is a series of big explosion
Didn't CoAT creat all the jutsu in nard. Further exemplifies my argument, goku is a guy of ap
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I don't want to hear it. Goku is from a verse that can overpower haxs with raw AP
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could just be a property of that specific genjutsu. it's never gonna get treated as universe creation lmao
the only relevant part of your comment
it creating all jutsu in Naruto doesnt mean it encompasses abilities in other series too thats a no limits fallacy. holy **** your case of naruto fanaticism is worse than I thought lmao
stay ignorant then lol
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What Power Scaling Brain Rot does to a Chicken Nugget
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arguing over Goku vs Nard in 2024. truly one of the powerscaling moments of all time
CodeCCLL
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Mate, you know, you can give less offensive answers.
Testarossa002
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There's nothing offensive there
It's a debating site, of course you'll get combative responses
It's a debating site, of course you'll get combative responses
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Exactly. The strongest elite shinobi becomes the Hokage, and they just make them do paperwork.
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Yea right, when it's explicitly stated that it creates a physical and you wanna ignore that or the fact that nard bring something from the supposed genjutsu world into reality huh?
Equal stats nards taking it
I am talking about all the abilites in nard, and i assure you there enough to contend with any bs DBZ has to offer. And this is a nard thread what did you expect, your just going off your own opinion that if a character should scale to that or not. It's like the supernova argument all over again
Nah
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I mean what else is he supposed to do?
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Yeah, but that would be lame
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Of course, I expect nothing less from you
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Something different.
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Ikemoto: dragon ball is my inspiration and if you look at my work it reflects that a lot.
Me staring at kid buu smashing planets to dust and screaming and destroying dimensions while sasuke susanoo sword just raises dust when he strikes the ground
Me staring at kid buu smashing planets to dust and screaming and destroying dimensions while sasuke susanoo sword just raises dust when he strikes the ground
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ur not wrong but when kakashi was telling naruto how clones work he states that all the experience and mental work are used. Fighting is a different thing, doing work is different. All experiences gained by the clone gets redirected to the user as well as the fatigue gained from the clones go back to Naruto, plus the exhaustion from maintaining the clones mean that he's probably knocked out for more than a day.
It's probably alot harder to maintain clones to do paper work rather than him doing it himself, also coupled with the fact that he has this weird obligation to do the work himself. I don't remember if it's in the anime but in the movie he refused Shikamaru's help because he believed its something only he should do as Hokage.
All in all though, whether the explanation actually makes sense or not, the writers chose this direction to make tension between Naruto and Boruto. Even after the whole Momoshiki arc (which you'll see later), Naruto slowly starts to take more time off to hang out with his family and spend time with them, splitting the work with him and Shikamaru. He doesn't use his clones because that mental strain would naturally drain him. Yes he has massive amounts of chakra, but he doesn't have unlimited mental storage.
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me waiting for Ikemoto/studio pierrot to show an otsutsuki handwave planets like King Vegeta:
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You're more likely to get mftl naruto than this lol
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It really isn’t, we see naruto throw his clones at people to gain info. There’s no reason why it wouldn’t work for paper work. Heck he even dose it when talking to boruto or attending events. We both naruto has a shit ton of chakra and stamina, a days worth of work from a clone is not taking him out
So he can maintain a big amount of clones during the war but he can’t do it for some paper work? He’d still be doing the work himself, expect it’s a clone of himself.
I’ll seeing when I get there
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no, the mental strain of doing paper work already drains Naruto by the end of the day, and ur saying that you want him to set up clones (more than one) to do it while also spending time with his family and kids (whether that's training, or going out with them). That will undoubtedly stress his mental state and make him pass out mid day.
Naruto can stay up for days fighting but can't when it comes to work, he's clearly not built for work and it shows. Trying to compare fighting and paperwork is like trying to compare apples to oranges.
I'm not saying it makes sense, im just saying how it is in the context of Boruto.
Naruto can stay up for days fighting but can't when it comes to work, he's clearly not built for work and it shows. Trying to compare fighting and paperwork is like trying to compare apples to oranges.
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Actually using his clones for paper work may likely just scramble his head tbh. It's not the same as experience in battle
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That’s because his doing it ever single day. And? Experienced way more recoil from training his raseshrukin
It really isn’t, naruto is shown constantly putting in all nighters seemly regularly. People even tell him to chill out and not work so much. His never fought as long as his been doing paperwork
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On what basis? His used shadow clones for training while gaining info from asuma and he was just fine
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once again ur equivocating the stress of training vs the stress of doing school/work, something that isn't ever made clear in the manga AFAIK.
I mean we could go back and forth but the real reason is plot. Naruto cares very, very deeply for Konoha and his job and takes on way too much responsibility, to the detriment of his personal life. I don't get the impression he absolutely can't get away from work, just that he's motivated to give it his all.
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1 shadow clone saw increase in penetrative power from a weapon when chakra was applied.
Naruto is kinda a feel his way into knowing stuff. It has been established repeatedly naruto is a genius on a pratical aspect and not theory. Explaining stuff tends to make it complex for him.
Imagine several naruto clones working on paper work for completely different things including reports on missions, assigning missions, budget, finance e.t.c all at once at the end of the day just flooding into his brain. That's not exactly going to be a good thing.
Also if naruto used your method at the end of each day he would just slump and pass out when he releases the clones.
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Repetitively performing one action over and over again is not the same thing.
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when did that happen?
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He did the same thing in the war and he was just fine.
I never said he should do it ever day just here and there. It shouldn’t be so extremely difficult to spend a day or two with his family
Yes because it’s never shown or stated or even implied to be to much for him. The problem is the amount of paperwork and how much he dose. Not the paperwork itself
And my point is it doesn’t make since. He’ll use it for events. But can’t even send one clone over to at least have family dinner?like he has the best tool for multitasking and the stamina to use it but his somehow still absent from his own kids and wife? I get his dedicated to his job and the stress can be to much for him at the times but the fact he can barely give his family the time of day doesn’t make sense.
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Assuming Kaguya does scale to Universal, wouldn't that just bump Madara to Tier 2? Was Madara ever stated to cap at Tier 5?
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Tbf they probably still wouldn’t scale. With how justu don’t usually scale to physicals unless shown otherwise. So it might not matter
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handwaving universes*
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Yeah any Madara starting from Double Rinnegan should scale since he is Ghost Hagoromo level at that point
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