Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[NeoKingOfLight]

So, if Konohamaru did damage Matsuri in a significant way, doesn’t this mean “Physically”, we aren’t able to say the Shinju scale over Jigen w/o feats?

Which again, calls Eida’s statement into Question. I know it’s been debated if her assessment is “credible”, given Eida’s lack of experience, but that aside, it would mean her statement is heavily “contextual”.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

yeah basically lmfao

Wind tunnel was a black hole

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Next Chapter:

Mitsuki: “That… was that was a Singularity she created?!”

Ryu: “My Iron Sand was attracted to that hole by a strong force of Gravity!”

Twitter: [FREAKING EXPLODES]

VsBW: [Naruto Discussion Thread Explodes with 25 new pages in 6 hrs]

 

[MinatoSparkle]

So, if Konohamaru did damage Matsuri in a significant way, doesn’t this mean “Physically”, we aren’t able to say the Shinju scale over Jigen w/o feats?

Which again, calls Eida’s statement into Question. I know it’s been debated if her assessment is “credible”, given Eida’s lack of experience, but that aside, it would mean her statement is heavily “contextual”.

Or TBV Konohamaru's just him, consistent with him blocking Hidari's Chidori which is Boruto Rasengan level

 

[Samlex1234]

Off-guard feats don’t count.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Or TBV Konohamaru's just him, consistent with him blocking Hidari's Chidori which is Boruto Rasengan level

I mean… Via Elemental Superiority, the Chidori was neutralized and Konohamaru was dazed(?) on the pure force of the Thrust. So, it’s not a 1:1 comp.

 

[Nierre]

doesn’t this mean “Physically”, we aren’t able to say the Shinju scale over Jigen w/o feats?

yes... now welcome aboard

 

[Godernet]

One of these days, some random fodder is going to damage an on-guard God Tier with straight AP, and the day it happens I know about three or four of you in here would fall to their knees reading those leaks.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

One of these days, some random fodder is going to damage an on-guard God Tier with straight AP, and the day it happens I know about three or four of you in here would fall to their knees reading those leaks.

 

[KingogKings777]

So, if Konohamaru did damage Matsuri in a significant way, doesn’t this mean “Physically”, we aren’t able to say the Shinju scale over Jigen w/o feats?

Which again, calls Eida’s statement into Question. I know it’s been debated if her assessment is “credible”, given Eida’s lack of experience, but that aside, it would mean her statement is heavily “contextual”.

Based Jigen on top still.

 

[KingogKings777]

One of these days, some random fodder is going to damage an on-guard God Tier with straight AP, and the day it happens I know about three or four of you in here would fall to their knees reading those leaks.

Don't we already have that with the Sasuke novel?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I mean… Via Elemental Superiority,

Only helps with marginal differences, elemental superiority can't help you neutralize a jutsu orders of magnitude above yours

the Chidori was neutralized and Konohamaru was dazed(?) on the pure force of the Thrust.

Idk why you say this like it's some crazy antifeat

So, it’s not a 1:1 comp.

Yes, but it helps show that Konohamaru is generally on the "capable of battling Shinju Ego" tier even if he's weaker overall

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

scaling merchants when Jura starts struggling with giant form cho cho "your strength is unmatched, but power isnt everything "

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

my own Jigen scaling is different from the site so its a little less egregious for me.
at least for borutos internal scaling

 

[Nierre]

my own Jigen scaling is different from the site so its a little less egregious for me.
at least for borutos internal scaling

those who know:

 

[AnimesFreak2]

.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

those who know:

I do

 

[Iabihs]

Off guard scaling in 2025

 

[Kayzz]

Wrong characters

Byakuya, Kakuzu, Katakuri

Gremmy, Hiruzen and 5 Elders (especially Saturn).

 

[Kayzz]

scaling merchants when Jura starts struggling with giant form cho cho "your strength is unmatched, but power isnt everything "

Or Shibai gets shanaroo'd with a broken horn.... Pain

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Gremmy, Hiruzen and 5 Elders (especially Saturn).

I definitely disagree with Gremmy. Maybe because Hiruzen is a character that stands out with more statements. 5 Elders... Yes, bigger fraud than Katakuri

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Only helps with marginal differences, elemental superiority can't help you neutralize a jutsu orders of magnitude above yours

Can you reference an instances where this is the case to support that notion? Only 2 come to mind:

1. Kakuzu vs Kakashi (His Fire Style was Futon Enhanced)
2. Madara vs SA (It wasn’t so much the intensity of the fire that required multiple Suton Users, it was the AoE)

And these don’t support your argument, unless I’m missing something.

Idk why you say this like it's some crazy antifeat

Idk how you got that interpretation of my statement. Konohamaru was literally dazed from the force of the thrust vs his Barrier after the Raiton was Neutralized. It’s a literal statement of fact.

Yes, but it helps show that Konohamaru is generally on the "capable of battling Shinju Ego" tier even if he's weaker overall

It shows we cannot scale the Shinju Ego’s completely over other significant characters “in all areas”.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Now, I do think it’s fair to scale Konohamaru’s Ninjutsu to Hidari’s Physicals (Striking Strength).

And with the Rasengan Barrage multipliers, i’m just just saying…

Edit: Actually… seeing as Hidari doesn’t have physical offensive feats, his striking would scale from Konohamaru’s Ninjutsu….

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Can you reference an instances where this is the case to support that notion? Only 2 come to mind:

Darui was unable to defeat Edo Kakuzu who used the Wind technique with his lightning technique. Lightning>Wind normally

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Darui was unable to defeat Edo Kakuzu who used the Wind technique with his lightning technique. Lightning>Wind normally

Darui iirc never fought Kakuzu in the War.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Darui iirc never fought Kakuzu in the War.

They fought on the same front

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

is puck vs kurama a good idea?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Darui was unable to defeat Edo Kakuzu who used the Wind technique with his lightning technique. Lightning>Wind normally

Where is the scan of their jutsu clashing?

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

is puck vs kurama a good idea?

How much does puck ap scale to?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

How much does puck ap scale to?

26.4 gigatons in his tier 6C key, btw i assume kurama cant do anything about passive Absolute Zero?

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

26.4 gigatons in his tier 6C key, btw i assume

Kurama would have higher AP and speed

kurama cant do anything about passive Absolute Zero?

yea, how does his passive work? Does it just freeze anyone that come close to him

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Kurama would have higher AP and speed

i will equalize speed in that case, he has some haxes that should work fine on kurama (such as one where he absorbs the opponents malice to kill them)

Can kurama kill someone with low godly?

yea, how does his passive work? Does it just freeze anyone that come close to him

In his Beast of the End key, just him existing causes the fabric of reality to break due to him basically absorbing all of the mana in the area. This causes an eternal frost that will never melt

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

They fought on the same front

Fighting on the same Front =\= Fighting Each other. Darui never had any direct clash (Or interaction) with Kakuzu. The Anime is non-canon.

So, i’m gonna need a chapter reference of what you said or a scan if you have it.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

i will equalize speed in that case, he has some haxes that should work fine on kurama (such as one where he absorbs the opponents malice to kill them)

Does puck have resistance to fear and poison manipulation?

Can kurama kill someone with low godly?

Nope

In his Beast of the End key, just him existing causes the fabric of reality to break due to him basically absorbing all of the mana in the area. This causes an eternal frost that will never melt

Does he start as the BoE or he transforms into one mid point

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

I accept the anime as canon, but it's not as I know it. I just looked at the scene and Darui states that his chakra is low. He didn't use lightning style because his chakra was low.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Darui never had any direct clash (Or interaction) with Kakuzu.

Darui did fight Kakuzu during the war though not by himself, and because he had the elemental advantage since Kakuzu separated his other hearts.

Izumo and Kotetsu are told to help Darui take on Kakuzu

Izumo and Kotetsu lead Kakuzu to Darui

Izumo, Kotetsu, and Darui take on Kakuzu

Either Chouji or his dad is the one to take down Kakuzu

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I accept the anime as canon

How about use the manga instead?

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

How about use the manga instead?

It doesn't matter to me either way, we learn that Darui fought Kakuzu. The important thing is, did Darui use Raiton when he fought Kakuzu? In the anime, it is explained that the reason he didn't use it was because his chakra was low. Until I looked at it again, it remained in my mind that he used it and failed.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Does puck have resistance to fear and poison manipulation?

fear yes (in fact he has his own aura), poison i am not sure

Nope

Welp...this doesnt work then

Does he start as the BoE or he transforms into one mid point

i will have it restricted if i do make the matchup (although it seems this might be a stomp)

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

fear yes (in fact he has his own aura), poison i am not sure

Welp...this doesnt work then

i will have it restricted if i do make the matchup (although it seems this might be a stomp)

Yea might be a stomp