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Naruto Speed Revisions Part 2
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Welp......
"I now want to address some additional factors in this possible speed upgrade thread for Naruto.
1. The meteorite Kep and the others shown was on fire after Toneri disappeared.
2. The meteorite hit behind the Hokage Rock
Your argument doesn't factor in air resistance, gravity, and the trajectory of the meteorite's path in Naruto the Last."
"I now want to address some additional factors in this possible speed upgrade thread for Naruto.
1. The meteorite Kep and the others shown was on fire after Toneri disappeared.
2. The meteorite hit behind the Hokage Rock
Your argument doesn't factor in air resistance, gravity, and the trajectory of the meteorite's path in Naruto the Last."
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I agree with Kep and BFF.
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I have messaged Ryukama. I didn't message Azzy as I believe he said he'd be busy with irl stuff.
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I'm glad people aren't tearing each other apart here.
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The argument that it's inconsistent with how we treat other franchises has also been severely debunked in the original thread. Nobody is arguing that anymore. Cal is now trying to say it isn't Relativistic.
In any case, I stand by what I said completely, and hope new arguments are actually brought up against my case.
In any case, I stand by what I said completely, and hope new arguments are actually brought up against my case.
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I don't think I've ever tried to argue for inconsistency.
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@Frantzy
Everyone is going to scale above what Naruto's Light Fang feat would yield, so it's irrelevant in any case.
Everyone is going to scale above what Naruto's Light Fang feat would yield, so it's irrelevant in any case.
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What are the arguments against it, summarized?
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BTW,i giving the input here:
"Meteoroids enter the earth's atmosphere at very high speeds, ranging from 11 km/sec to 72 km/sec (25,000 mph to 160,000 mph). However, similar to firing a bullet into water, the meteoroid will rapidly decelerate as it penetrates into increasingly denser portions of the atmosphere. This is especially true in the lower layers, since 90 % of the earth's atmospheric mass lies below 12 km (7 miles / 39,000 ft) of height.
At the same time, the meteoroid will also rapidly lose mass due to ablation. In this process, the outer layer of the meteoroid is continuously vaporized and stripped away due to high speed collision with air molecules. Particles from dust size to a few kilograms mass are usually completely consumed in the atmosphere.
Due to atmospheric drag, most meteorites, ranging from a few kilograms up to about 8 tons (7,000 kg), will lose all of their cosmic velocity while still several miles up. At that point, called the retardation point, the meteorite begins to accelerate again, under the influence of the Earth's gravity, at the familiar 9.8 meters per second squared. The meteorite then quickly reaches its terminal velocity of 200 to 400 miles per hour (90 to 180 meters per second). The terminal velocity occurs at the point where the acceleration due to gravity is exactly offset by the deceleration due to atmospheric drag."
"Meteoroids enter the earth's atmosphere at very high speeds, ranging from 11 km/sec to 72 km/sec (25,000 mph to 160,000 mph). However, similar to firing a bullet into water, the meteoroid will rapidly decelerate as it penetrates into increasingly denser portions of the atmosphere. This is especially true in the lower layers, since 90 % of the earth's atmospheric mass lies below 12 km (7 miles / 39,000 ft) of height.
At the same time, the meteoroid will also rapidly lose mass due to ablation. In this process, the outer layer of the meteoroid is continuously vaporized and stripped away due to high speed collision with air molecules. Particles from dust size to a few kilograms mass are usually completely consumed in the atmosphere.
Due to atmospheric drag, most meteorites, ranging from a few kilograms up to about 8 tons (7,000 kg), will lose all of their cosmic velocity while still several miles up. At that point, called the retardation point, the meteorite begins to accelerate again, under the influence of the Earth's gravity, at the familiar 9.8 meters per second squared. The meteorite then quickly reaches its terminal velocity of 200 to 400 miles per hour (90 to 180 meters per second). The terminal velocity occurs at the point where the acceleration due to gravity is exactly offset by the deceleration due to atmospheric drag."
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Ablation is not relevant to Toneri's calculation, actually, since it isn't as slow as a real meteor.
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Ender Shadow?Veloxt1r0kore said:
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The Toneri calc is taking into account the time it takes for the meteor to travel to the Earth until friction burns up in the upper atmosphere. In which case, this is a process that is 100% irrelevant to the meteor's speed in a combat setting due to the fact Naruto dodged them as soon as they were released. A meteor's cosmic velocity only drops severely once it reaches the lower-middle atmosphere.
So EnderShadow's stuff is, as usual, irrelevant to the debate.
So EnderShadow's stuff is, as usual, irrelevant to the debate.
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Can you provide any proof?
Because we see the exact same angle of the sky seconds before, and there's no sign of the meteor. As soon as Toneri fades, we see it.
Since this is the only scene where we can devise a timeframe for the feat, it is the only side that doesn't require speculation. I explain and debunk it more in depth in the other thread.
Because we see the exact same angle of the sky seconds before, and there's no sign of the meteor. As soon as Toneri fades, we see it.
Since this is the only scene where we can devise a timeframe for the feat, it is the only side that doesn't require speculation. I explain and debunk it more in depth in the other thread.
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I messaged Azzy awhile ago. So we are likely just waiting for him to reply.
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Ryu is neutral.
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I'll check out the other thread in depth, but we see the meteor as Toneri fades because Toneri was in the way of our view of it; the fact that the meteor is there the instant Toneri begins fading suggests that it began moving before that, unless the meteor travelled thousands of kilometers in milliseconds.Kepekley23 said:
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Actually, we see the meteor appearing once Toneri has almost entirely faded. There are a few seconds where we still can't see it behind him:
The calc already accounts for what you're thinking of. The timeframe is for the time it takes to hit the upper atmosphere, so Dariel took Toneri's final line into account. Otherwise, it'd be two seconds as opposed to five, since it came down so fast.
The calc already accounts for what you're thinking of. The timeframe is for the time it takes to hit the upper atmosphere, so Dariel took Toneri's final line into account. Otherwise, it'd be two seconds as opposed to five, since it came down so fast.
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Not super familiar with late Naruto, so I'm not very confident in just going "this is the right way to do things". Count me as neutral if anything, but I will say I feel Kep has presented decent evidence for his points.
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Alright. Thank you for the input.
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In any case, the profiles are already updated.
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Only Kaguya is 5-A in any form doe.
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nah boii
5-A Naruto is only a thing thanks to the power of non-Consensual friendship
5-A Naruto is only a thing thanks to the power of non-Consensual friendship
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Dual Rinnegan Madara is the one with that feat, actually.
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I don't think so... it would be to speculative IMO
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