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lol really? so u are saying that PS slashes= sakura's punch? cuz kaguya took on the slashes and barely moved, but when sakura punched her, she even bled, and broke one of her horns.
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Naruto Power Scaling Clarification
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Friend, have a little more understanding. At what time have I compared both attacks? If in my specific comment that under normal conditions a blow from Sakura to Kaguya wouldn't do him the slightest damage.
It seems that you still don't understand that Kaguya's body was weakened by Kakashi's previous attack that had inflicted heavy damage and that Kaguya didn't expect Sakura's attack, which made it possible for her to move it. Kaguya was bleeding from the wound inflicted by Kakashi LoL.
Don't tell me that you compare the attacks destroys planets in Dragon Ball with the laser that hurt Goku that was not expected that attack? That's why I said, put things in context and not just a superficial conclusion.
It seems that you still don't understand that Kaguya's body was weakened by Kakashi's previous attack that had inflicted heavy damage and that Kaguya didn't expect Sakura's attack, which made it possible for her to move it. Kaguya was bleeding from the wound inflicted by Kakashi LoL.
Don't tell me that you compare the attacks destroys planets in Dragon Ball with the laser that hurt Goku that was not expected that attack? That's why I said, put things in context and not just a superficial conclusion.
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"Don't tell me that you compare the attacks destroys planets in Dragon Ball with the laser that hurt Goku that was not expected that attack? That's why I said, put things in context and not just a superficial conclusion.".. oh, man, this part right here. let me ask u a question. does a punch get weaker if the thing u are punching changes from concrete to a feather? no right? does kaguya's head get softer, along with her whole body, if she gets cut in the shoulder? no. oh, and not paying attention doenst make ur body any less tougher, btw. the bones, muscle, blood, flesh- its all still there, flexing them or not. punching a liquid at mach 5 is the same as punching a solid at mach 5. it doenst change outta nowhere.
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So basically you just spit out a lot of random things, I was hoping for something more. If friend, a weakened body is much easier to affect than one that is in complete health, this is how things work. Telling that these characters when receiving attacks for those who are not prepared if they can be affected, do you still not understand the example of Superman or Goku?
Although you didn't tell me, I infer that with PS you mean the Perfect Susanoo, please tell me when exactly one PS damages Kaguya? Kaguya was only close to a PS twice, and it was Sasuke's and both times Sasuke couldn't connect any attack. Where did you investate that?
Sakura barely moved to Kaguya and if anything it caused that part of a horn of the same one was broken, that already was to be weakened or because the same one already had been affected by previous attacks added to the factor of which no such attack was expected, together that that part does not have the same resistance as the rest of his body because Madara took off his normal one and Sasuke damaged Kinshiki with a casual cut of his sword. Man, you do not really have arguments, just a very basic and superficial conclusion because it is Kaguya and because it is Sakura Loool.
Although you didn't tell me, I infer that with PS you mean the Perfect Susanoo, please tell me when exactly one PS damages Kaguya? Kaguya was only close to a PS twice, and it was Sasuke's and both times Sasuke couldn't connect any attack. Where did you investate that?
Sakura barely moved to Kaguya and if anything it caused that part of a horn of the same one was broken, that already was to be weakened or because the same one already had been affected by previous attacks added to the factor of which no such attack was expected, together that that part does not have the same resistance as the rest of his body because Madara took off his normal one and Sasuke damaged Kinshiki with a casual cut of his sword. Man, you do not really have arguments, just a very basic and superficial conclusion because it is Kaguya and because it is Sakura Loool.
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@idk. I was going along with ur joke at first. don't know what his problem is tho. @dariel, how bout this then: kaguya wasnt expecting Naruto to cut off her arm, and she got injured. then u say that she wasnt expectin an attack from sakura (which not something that was ever stated, or concluded at any point, so idk how u got that info, since she has a byakugan) which still damaged her anyways. what u are telling me then, is that sakura is Naruto range of striking force? cuz, for her to damaged by sakura, at all, and at any point time, by sakura, her durability would have to shit, or sakura's attack potency is at least moon lvl. cuz that's what im getting from. and like, durability doenst change, even if u aren't paying attention, so im still gonna keep spouting this shit until u understand it.
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Look, everyone has to confront a key issue, everyone on this site wants naruto to be moon level, and bend over backwards to justify the scaling and 'the last'; despite the sequel film contradicting the power scaling, mono and gin are supposed to be on toneri's level, yet kept getting their arses kicked, and have no moon like cutting feat, let alone blowing up an island.
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I will admit that because their are no feats doesn't mean we can't scale their strength but what 7th Ki'oon said let's stay on the key issue please.
The Sakura thing is not apart of this as it's PIS so let's to fill this thread with jokes.
The Sakura thing is not apart of this as it's PIS so let's to fill this thread with jokes.
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Though until the revisions are finished, nothing is 100% so not much more to discuss, We simply half to wait.
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But Naruto is moon level tho... Also Momoshiki >>>> Toneri cuz Toneri got one-shotted by a weaker version of Naruto while Momo was able to fight against BOTH Adult Naruto and Sasuke.7th Ki'oon said:
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To stay on topic, we do need better ways of scaling. For Physical stats, I say the known Jonin Class shinobi should scale from Kakashi or something Physically.
Context should always be considered and Ninjutsu AP is separate.
I'll give examples later. My break is over
Context should always be considered and Ninjutsu AP is separate.
I'll give examples later. My break is over
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u mean someone like asuma, though, right? cuz, although pts kakashi could be reasonable as really high lvl jonin, his shippuden borders low lvl kage (and his two last forms [pre dual ms, and during dual ms] are not even worth talking bout, when correlating to jonin. at all)
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Kakashi physically really isn't superior to most Ninja at the Jonin level save for speed.
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energy adaptability?
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As an update, Meosos has returned to the wiki, and told me that he will try to continue with his Naruto revision work during the holidays, if I understood him correctly.
However, it is best to let him work in peace, without disturbing him.
However, it is best to let him work in peace, without disturbing him.
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No, he is as such because of faulty scaling because the sage made a moon, an nothing else.UzumakiKurisu said:
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@7th Ki'oon
even without sage creating a moon
naruto: likely Small Planet level (After receiving additional power-ups. Equal to Sasuke's power when he absorbed all nine biju's power)
sasuke : Small Planet level after receiving additional power-ups with Bijuu Susanoo
No, he is as such because of faulty scaling because the sage made a moo, an nothing else
and why is it faulty scaling (bold)
even without sage creating a moon
naruto: likely Small Planet level (After receiving additional power-ups. Equal to Sasuke's power when he absorbed all nine biju's power)
sasuke : Small Planet level after receiving additional power-ups with Bijuu Susanoo
No, he is as such because of faulty scaling because the sage made a moo, an nothing else
and why is it faulty scaling (bold)
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Because, if you disregard it, it is impossible to argue small planet level naruto and Sasuke, they may very well have, an amount of chakra equivocal, as per this site guidelines, but theirs ZERO destructive feats to support it, they can barely destroy an island, let alone a country, continent etc.
Not that this will be seriously considered, because of the strong naruto bias, this site has.
Not that this will be seriously considered, because of the strong naruto bias, this site has.
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I agree with 7th Ki'oon.
Naruto and Sasuke should be moon level only with Chibaku Tensei. Overall they should me large continent, since there's a calc of Naruto's Lava Rasenshuriken.
Naruto and Sasuke should be moon level only with Chibaku Tensei. Overall they should me large continent, since there's a calc of Naruto's Lava Rasenshuriken.
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@saying Naruto and Sasuke can barely destroy an island is laughable, we have numerous calcs that put them above country, and all the way to multi continental, also there are new calcs that put them close to Moon and Small planet as well, your just coming off as biased against Naruto, not the other way around.
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Calculations of energy potential, no scans actually showing them doing anything of what it indicates
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naruto decimating large meteorites casually.... i guess thats town level at best.
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You guys saying they should only be Moon Level with Chibaku Tensei Clearly have not read the thread or even understand that the Mechanics in Naruto disprove that notion entirely.
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Infact, even Kaguya being Planet level with ETSB "only" goes against the Mechanics.
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@TheFinalOrder Not really. A punch or Rasengan isn't going to be as powerful as a SPCT. Kaguya can't even make an ETSB with her own Chakra.
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Piercer of Heaven said:
- All Jutsu in Naruto require X Chakra to use
- All Naruto Characters can redistribute chakra to Ninjutsu or amp their physical stats through Chakra Control.
- Kaguya is in control of IT, thus, it doesn't matter, the same chakra she used to create it can be used to amplify her other Ninjutsu or Physical stats.
- Also, note that it's ambiguous as to whether she can create of destroy them with her own chakra as there are 5 dimensions she owns that she can manipulate and has certain advantages in that aren't available in other dimensions and these existed before Hagoromo distributed Chakra.
Think of it like Deku with OFA in My Hero.
- Deku = Ninja
- OFA = Chakra
-Deku's body can only handle a cerain percentage of OFA before it starts to break down.
-Unlike in My Hero, If OFA correlates to Chakra, then If Deku has Abilities like say Rasengan, he could channel more of OFA into Rasengan than his body can handle.
Like I said above, certain jutsu are tricky to scale from, if At all, but at a basic level, a Jutsu's power/scale depends on chakra, and that same chakra can be used to amp physical stats or other Jutsu.
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Potency bruh, ya herd of it?7th Ki'oon said:
But seriously, we have beings like Dragon god Orsted, who is a melee fighter on this site that can sit at Multi-continent level and he doesn't even have any showings of collateral damage larger than a house. A small house at that.
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At least 2-A Digimon and SMT characters without shed level AP feats.
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The Chibaku Tensei Sasuke and Naruto used to seal Kaguya alone is a Moon-level feat of creation.
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By what I understood you guys are having trouble finding out how much chakra one ninja can pump into his body 'until it breaks', focus on Naruto for instances.
When Naruto starts using Kyubi chakra cloak after the time skip he can only go up to 4 tails before his skin starts to melt down. Assuming someone can calculate how much 4 tails of Kurama's chakra actually is, you could calculate that this should be enough to guess how much chakra one can pump until they break, also take into consideration that Naruto can take more of Kurama's corrosive chakra so say maybe three tails of Kurama's chakra is what most ninja can pump into their bodies to amp themselves.
Another thing I want to know is about durability, for instances does one need to be able to tank and be able to fight or just survive the attack?
If you remember in VotE 1 Naruto in chakra cloak got stabbed by Sasuke's CM Chidori and was sent to the hospital and needed Kurama's chakra and Tsunade the remain alive but in 'The Last' he tanked that explosion when Toneri drained his chakra in base form and was only down because he didn't have chakra. How does this scale?
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If you still want to lay a baseline as Jonin I don't think you should base off Kakashi, Asuma or Guy, they are all elite Jonin and have some sort of thing that makes them stand out, sharingan/ANBU, 12 guardians and 8 gates, this all means that for some reason, they stand above the rest. Maybe Kurenai or Baki (Gaara's sensei) as they seem to be around the normal Jonin should be.
When Naruto starts using Kyubi chakra cloak after the time skip he can only go up to 4 tails before his skin starts to melt down. Assuming someone can calculate how much 4 tails of Kurama's chakra actually is, you could calculate that this should be enough to guess how much chakra one can pump until they break, also take into consideration that Naruto can take more of Kurama's corrosive chakra so say maybe three tails of Kurama's chakra is what most ninja can pump into their bodies to amp themselves.
Another thing I want to know is about durability, for instances does one need to be able to tank and be able to fight or just survive the attack?
If you remember in VotE 1 Naruto in chakra cloak got stabbed by Sasuke's CM Chidori and was sent to the hospital and needed Kurama's chakra and Tsunade the remain alive but in 'The Last' he tanked that explosion when Toneri drained his chakra in base form and was only down because he didn't have chakra. How does this scale?
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If you still want to lay a baseline as Jonin I don't think you should base off Kakashi, Asuma or Guy, they are all elite Jonin and have some sort of thing that makes them stand out, sharingan/ANBU, 12 guardians and 8 gates, this all means that for some reason, they stand above the rest. Maybe Kurenai or Baki (Gaara's sensei) as they seem to be around the normal Jonin should be.
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To answer your question, You need to tank it to scale. Surviving the attack doesn't mean you scale as the attack still went through example.
Example: Naruto could withstand Sasuke's punches aka he scales to Sasuke's Physically but his Chidori went clean through Naruto. Naruto survived the Chidori but he doesn't scales as it went clean through.
I will close this thread as everyone has said their opinion and further comments will simply clutter the thread. I'll create a new one later on to continue this discussion.
If someone has something to add to the discussion, simply message me on my wall.
To answer your question, You need to tank it to scale. Surviving the attack doesn't mean you scale as the attack still went through example.
Example: Naruto could withstand Sasuke's punches aka he scales to Sasuke's Physically but his Chidori went clean through Naruto. Naruto survived the Chidori but he doesn't scales as it went clean through.
I will close this thread as everyone has said their opinion and further comments will simply clutter the thread. I'll create a new one later on to continue this discussion.
If someone has something to add to the discussion, simply message me on my wall.
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