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(Naruto) Jonin Revision Stat List

Unfortunately the first thread of this was supposed to be about all of it but the AP just became the main subject

We're just gonna have to change them as well. The calc for the Jonin was just accepted like BFF said on the other thread and
 
The Jonin are the ones scaling to MHS and people who scale to them. The mhs feat is from the weak body of the pains who were originally Jonin ninja. They were able to dodge Narutos FRS which was calced at MHS
 
What other pains???? The other pains are MHS+ for fighting Kakashi if I remember correctly

Jonin scale to the weaker pains because those pains were Jonin themselves. For example
 
Only the Deva Path is MHS+ and that's because of dodging a point blank FRS. It scales to a lower MHS+ when it fought Kakashi.

However, the other 5 Pains are MHS for reacting to and dodging a FRS from a distance. But Jonin shouldn't scale to that at all when those Pains are being amplified by the Chakra Nagato is pumping into them through the Chakra Receivers. In fact, other Jonin were being defeated by those other 5 Pains. A Special Jonin like Ebisu was casually defeated by one of those Pain and Special Jonin are where the 8-A begins.
 
Deva path is mhs+ scaling from Naruto who scales to Mach 3000

Ebisu being defeated literally has nothing to do with scaling to MHS ƒÿæƒÿæ. This is for Jonin level ninja not special Jonin. Using him as a reason not to scale them is just faulty bro. You brought up Ebosus AP but you do know that has nothing to do with his speed and even if it did he is a special Jonin and this downgrade is for Jonin

Also one of the pains couldn't dodge Chozas attack even tho they have shared vision and Deva path was looking up at the fist

We even see the anbu and intelligence division and interrogation unit fight the dog summon of the pain

I also think it's best if we get more input from BFF and TFO sinc ebff was the one who said it scales to jonin
 
> This is for Jonin level ninja not special Jonin.

Do you forget that are scaling begins from Special Jonin? It was Special Jonin that fought the 8-A Sound Four. The only reason we are doing 8-A scaling is because of Special Jonin. We can't give all 8-A through the Jonin rework MHS when it was a Special Jonin that the 8-A scaling begins and it was a Special Jonin that a Pain casually defeated.

>Also one of the pains couldn't dodge Chozas attack even tho they have shared vision and Deva path was looking up at the fist

Should've looked it up before making this mistake. Asura Path was incapacitated through Kakashi's Raiton Kage Bunshin and neither Pain was looking up which is why only the Asura Path was hit by Choza and Choji.
 
okay, I took a rough glance.

but I disagree about Raiga arc being canon, his character is canon but not the arc, like at all.

Boruto Field day Arc is canon, the event itself has been canonized by Kodachi opposed to just a character, See above^^^, it's also included in the official Timeline where other Boruto arcs are excluded.
 
Also, Darui is absolutely 7-C, Saying an elite bodyguard that's there to protect the most powerful person in the Village and is essentially the protege of the said person is weaker than a Genin is ridiculous and basically ignoring the context of the story, these characters have these ranks for a reason.
 
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
> This is for Jonin level ninja not special Jonin.

Do you forget that are scaling begins from Special Jonin? It was Special Jonin that fought the 8-A Sound Four. The only reason we are doing 8-A scaling is because of Special Jonin. We can't give all 8-A through the Jonin rework MHS when it was a Special Jonin that the 8-A scaling begins and it was a Special Jonin that a Pain casually defeated.

>Also one of the pains couldn't dodge Chozas attack even tho they have shared vision and Deva path was looking up at the fist

Should've looked it up before making this mistake. Asura Path was incapacitated through Kakashi's Raiton Kage Bunshin and neither Pain was looking up which is why only the Asura Path was hit by Choza and Choji.
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But this doesn't scale to the special Jonin which is the point. Only Jonin level characters scale which is the point why the pain that dodged the FRS was a Jonin. Also the speed for the Jonin didn't come from the special Jonin. It came from Kakashi which is why the current special Jonin aren't MHS+ like the Jonin. We don't scale special Jonin to Jonins, that's only AP which we have currently scaled because the special Jonin are comparable to the High Hypersonic Chunin which means it's insane to scale special Jonin to Jonin level characters being MHS. With that logic Jonins would be comparable to top tier chunins in speed
 
That still doesn't make the Pain's comparable to regular Jonin to our knowledge. Just because the Pains were Jonin in life does not mean they are comparable to Jonin currently. They don't possess their stats of life since their current stats are altered by Nagato pumping Chakra into them through the Chakra Rod Receivers.

Especially since it only took 6 Pains to decimate the village alone while separated. The only Jonin that was comparable was Kakashi, and Kakashi is not a regular Jonin at all.
 
The chakra doesn't make them stronger dude it has no proof of that at all when one of the pains got defeated by a Rasengan which is consistently portrayed at atleast 8A which is Jonin level

The only pains who caused damage to the village were the Animal path, Deva path and Asura path. Animal path and Asura path did the most damage with regular attacks besides Deva pain. Also those 6 pains are hax. Hax> AP when both parties are comparable in AP and speed


Also we don't scale the pains above anything that they never showed just because they are using SPC. With that logic nagato should be comparable to Madara because they both had rinnegan fans SPC.

Matter of fact edo Madara stats weren't even altered with SPC lol 😆. We are literally using this to stop Naruto from scaling to Madara with FRS because Base Madara with rinnegan didn't get any stronger physically even tho he has SPC. The same can be said for the pains. Just because they have SPC doesn't automatically make them stronger than they once were.
 
The Chakra does alter their stats. Recall that Nagato could amplify the AP of the Shinra Tensei by shutting off the other Paths to focus all the Chakra to the Deva Path. It amplified Shinra Tensei. So yes, the Chakra Rod Receivers allows for the alteration of stats.

I never mentiond SPC either.
 
It doesn't alter their physical stats is what I meant. Hence is why Madara was not tanking the FRS or Big Ball Rasengan even tho he had the rinnegan's chakra
 
We're supposed to be downgrading Jonins to MHS scaling from one of the weaker pains who used to be a Jonin who had a MHS feat from dodging the FRS
 
Also doesn't the rinnegan gives six paths chakra?? I think I remember one of the Tailed beasts saying it or Obito or Nagato
 
I think your thinking about six paths of pain deal where he can control six bodies.

Im not sure if we can scale Jonin to one of the Pain bodies, even the weaker ones because they are being amped up by Nagato and they seem to be implied to be stronger than your average Jonin
 
I think we can scale average Jonin to Aoba who fits the term pretty perfectly, he was able to react to Hidan and Kakazu, so they would be comparable in reactions at least to him.
 
Forgot about this thread

AstralKing7 said:
Tbh I don't even remember them having it just Nagato. Imade seems to think the pains have SPC
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That's a lie, you're the one who believes they have SPC which is what I was explaining to you, let me quote your own words:

The same can be said for the pains. Just because they have SPC doesn't automatically make them stronger than they once were.

We still gotta figure out Darui and Samui's keys as well what speed to apply to Jonin. I still disagree with scaling the Pain's FRS reaction/dodge to Jonin since the Pains are superior to Jonin.
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
I think we can scale average Jonin to Aoba who fits the term pretty perfectly, he was able to react to Hidan and Kakazu, so they would be comparable in reactions at least to him.
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Bump yeah I agree with this still
 
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
We're not done. We're still waiting on Samui, Ginkaku, Ginkaku, Darui and Suigetsu.
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Also, Karin. Karin is 7-C because "she's comparable to Danzo" which is an absolute lie when a dying Danzo was physically restraining her and she couldn't do anything.
 
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