Naruto Chakra Aura Shenanigans

[Arkenis]

With new rules implemented, there are a couple changes the Chakra Aura needs on pages.

1. An ability is regular only if it is consistently shown, practiced, acknowledged, and stated within the energy system. Merely having multiple characters perform it, isn't enough. An example is Chakra's Free Movement ability that ninjas learn early on. This is something shown, practiced, acknowledged and stated to be something all ninjas can do through skill.
2. If there is reasonable support or logic that a character could perform an ability, assign a “Likely” rating for clarity.
3. Do not apply leveling unless the story clearly defines and characterizes it (e.g., Jonin, Special Grade Sorcerer, Daikaiju, Liners, etc.).

• Fear Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation, Madness Manipulation (Type 2), Status Effect Inducement & Aura (Overwhelming, Fear-inducing, Explosive & Materialized) (High level Shinobi with vast and/or powerful chakra have consistently shown the ability to produce an aura. This aura, when emitted by someone of around Kage level strength or above, was shown to have a physical effect powerful enough to violently damage the user's surroundings. When the user's aura is injected with bloodlust or malice it has been consistently shown to cause a variety of harmful effects such as intense fear, paralysis, illusions, suicidal urges, unconsciousness, and more)

Within Naruto pages a reoccurring group of hax keep being given with the simplistic justification that High level Shinobi with vast and/or powerful chakra have consistently shown the ability to produce an aura. This is fine reasoning but the issue is blanketing it as something any character could/would do. If it's to be given the character should have an example, if not then it should be Likely so people reading the pages understand this is something that could happen not a standard in vs matches.

Additionally, some of these examples are pointless and don't convey much:

Sakura's feeling Biju chakra here, not regular chakra. Two different things, it has the special trait of feeling distinctly different and shouldn't be an example of "kage level". But also it just feels bad/evil, it isn't madness inducing or fear haxing Sakura or Yamato right here and they aren't Kage level at all.

This is said twice to be an illusion casted by Orochimaru. And it's likely the same thing he did to Kakashi. But even if it is just aura, not everyone does this, so why is it being labeled as though it's standard?

Nothing happens:
Likely rating for those without examples:
Just put it as activatable:

 

[AyOgUyS]

seems fine at a glance

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

With new rules implemented, there are a couple changes the Chakra Aura needs on pages.

1. An ability is regular only if it is consistently shown, practiced, acknowledged, and stated within the energy system. Merely having multiple characters perform it, isn't enough. An example is Chakra's Free Movement ability that ninjas learn early on. This is something shown, practiced, acknowledged and stated to be something all ninjas can do through skill.
2. If there is reasonable support or logic that a character could perform an ability, assign a “Likely” rating for clarity.
3. Do not apply leveling unless the story clearly defines and characterizes it (e.g., Jonin, Special Grade Sorcerer, Daikaiju, Liners, etc.).

• Fear Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation, Madness Manipulation (Type 2), Status Effect Inducement & Aura (Overwhelming, Fear-inducing, Explosive & Materialized) (High level Shinobi with vast and/or powerful chakra have consistently shown the ability to produce an aura. This aura, when emitted by someone of around Kage level strength or above, was shown to have a physical effect powerful enough to violently damage the user's surroundings. When the user's aura is injected with bloodlust or malice it has been consistently shown to cause a variety of harmful effects such as intense fear, paralysis, illusions, suicidal urges, unconsciousness, and more)

Within Naruto pages a reoccurring group of hax keep being given with the simplistic justification that High level Shinobi with vast and/or powerful chakra have consistently shown the ability to produce an aura. This is fine reasoning but the issue is blanketing it as something any character could/would do. If it's to be given the character should have an example, if not then it should be Likely so people reading the pages understand this is something that could happen not a standard in vs matches.

Additionally, some of these examples are pointless and don't convey much:

Sakura's feeling Biju chakra here, not regular chakra. Two different things, it has the special trait of feeling distinctly different and shouldn't be an example of "kage level". But also it just feels bad/evil, it isn't madness inducing or fear haxing Sakura or Yamato right here and they aren't Kage level at all.

This isn’t some “different” chakra, it’s normal chakra with bloodlust injected into it which is consistent with all other showings of fear hax in the verse. This is shown when Naruto was fighting the nine tails in his mental realm, with the 9Ts chakras being golden but turns red (like Naruto’s berserk cloak). Kurama injects his bloodlust/malice showing that fear hax is consistent with injected bloodlust.

Sakura not going mad or trying to kill herself isn’t an anti feat as you think of it, because she has experienced this same exact situation twice now Zabuza and Orochimaru. It would be much more absurd that some like Sakura who is a seasoned shinboi that in gauges in multiple altercations with people exuding bloodlust not being resistant to its effects and freezing up like a child. Not to mention Sai and Yamato who are black Ops Aunbu, they experience more bloodlust than any other “clean” shinboi in any village.

There is also an instant in boruto where Naruto using his chakra cloak didn’t scare the shin clones because he didn’t want to kill them (which means he didn’t inject bloodlust) but as soon as Kurama got angry the shin clone that “saw” Kurama got fear hax and subsequently all the other shins in that area cuz Kurama injected bloodlust into nards aura

This is said twice to be an illusion casted by Orochimaru. And it's likely the same thing he did to Kakashi.

Kakashi has a always active sharingan which makes him resistant to genjutsu, so I find it dubious that he was caught in a genjutsu that doesn’t involve a higher tier doujutsu like itachi MS

But even if it is just aura, not everyone does this, so why is it being labeled as though it's standard?

There is also the problem of how Orochimaru casted this “illusion” without the uses of any medium. All genjutsu uses some form of medium to be casted unto the target, frog song uses sound, doujutsu sends chakra and we see Kuranei used signs.

There is also the problem of them not breaking out of the illusion using the standard genjutsu breaking technique instead opting to use pain. Sasuke has the sharingan which would have broken him out of this “illusion” but he didn’t do that and instead once again opted to use pain, moreover how do you know that this “illusion” wasn’t hallucinations caused by fear? Fear causing hallucinations is a real world medical phenomenon and this shouldn’t come as a surprise that someone that can cause one to go mad from fear they can also cause them to hallucinate

 

[Godernet]

There’s definitely enough evidence that bloodlust being injected into one’s chakra has outward effects and isn’t a thing tied to rank (considering Bijuu and other powerful Shinobi with a lesser rank than Jounin do it (Kid Itachi)

And there’s definitely enough evidence to say this is a product of the power system rather than an ability one has to learn (chakra being a connective force that allows you to perceive the emotions, inner thoughts, and consciousness of other powerful chakra users whose chakra you interact

It’s not given to everyone in the verse by default just powerful chakra users with similar standing to a Jounin (Which consequently ended up being 90% of the cast since most named characters are pushing Jounin level or are very capable of fighting one), as it’s a product of emotions being conveyed through chakra aura rather than a technique that needs to be learned via a certain rank, treating it as such would be disingenuous to how the ability is presented to work.

TLDR: I don’t think having tangible bloodlust was intended to be anymore exclusive of an ability in Naruto than we already treat it on wiki currently, it’s an expression of the mental/spiritual aspect of chakra that powerful chakra users akin to Jounin can use not because of their rank (being a Jounin doesn’t mean squat in Naruto as we see with Naruto himself) but bc of their power.

Much like their amps in power via resolve and anger or powerful chakra users being able to read each others minds via combat, it’s all a product of chakra being a connective force.

So yeah I disagree.

 

[Arkenis]

This isn’t some “different” chakra, it’s normal chakra with bloodlust injected into it which is consistent with all other showings of fear hax in the verse. This is shown when Naruto was fighting the nine tails in his mental realm, with the 9Ts chakras being golden but turns red (like Naruto’s berserk cloak). Kurama injects his bloodlust/malice showing that fear hax is consistent with injected bloodlust.

Sakura not going mad or trying to kill herself isn’t an anti feat as you think of it, because she has experienced this same exact situation twice now Zabuza and Orochimaru. It would be much more absurd that some like Sakura who is a seasoned shinboi that in gauges in multiple altercations with people exuding bloodlust not being resistant to its effects and freezing up like a child. Not to mention Sai and Yamato who are black Ops Aunbu, they experience more bloodlust than any other “clean” shinboi in any village.

So 4tails Naruto's chakra and Zabuza are the same? And it is different chakra, the story clearly defines it as feeling different.

Kakashi has a always active sharingan which makes him resistant to genjutsu, so I find it dubious that he was caught in a genjutsu that doesn’t involve a higher tier doujutsu like itachi MS

So Orochimaru's lying? Or Kakashi's singular three tomoe just ain't that strong. Can rationalize it however you want.

There is also the problem of how Orochimaru casted this “illusion” without the uses of any medium. All genjutsu uses some form of medium to be casted unto the target, frog song uses sound, doujutsu sends chakra and we see Kuranei used signs.

We just don't see it, could be anything.

There is also the problem of them not breaking out of the illusion using the standard genjutsu breaking technique instead opting to use pain. Sasuke has the sharingan which would have broken him out of this “illusion” but he didn’t do that and instead once again opted to use pain, moreover how do you know that this “illusion” wasn’t hallucinations caused by fear? Fear causing hallucinations is a real world medical phenomenon and this shouldn’t come as a surprise that someone that can cause one to go nad from fear they can also cause them to hallucinate

Pain disrupts the chakra, unless you're telling me just harming yourself stops the aura?

So yeah I disagree.

Still doesn't fit the rules with random "high level shinobi" and "kage" being a level pointlessly added. And it at best would qualify for a likely rating for the characters who don't show their own example of it.

 

[Richardo908]

With new rules implemented, there are a couple changes the Chakra Aura needs on pages.

1. An ability is regular only if it is consistently shown, practiced, acknowledged, and stated within the energy system. Merely having multiple characters perform it, isn't enough. An example is Chakra's Free Movement ability that ninjas learn early on. This is something shown, practiced, acknowledged and stated to be something all ninjas can do through skill.
2. If there is reasonable support or logic that a character could perform an ability, assign a “Likely” rating for clarity.
3. Do not apply leveling unless the story clearly defines and characterizes it (e.g., Jonin, Special Grade Sorcerer, Daikaiju, Liners, etc.).

• Fear Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation, Madness Manipulation (Type 2), Status Effect Inducement & Aura (Overwhelming, Fear-inducing, Explosive & Materialized) (High level Shinobi with vast and/or powerful chakra have consistently shown the ability to produce an aura. This aura, when emitted by someone of around Kage level strength or above, was shown to have a physical effect powerful enough to violently damage the user's surroundings. When the user's aura is injected with bloodlust or malice it has been consistently shown to cause a variety of harmful effects such as intense fear, paralysis, illusions, suicidal urges, unconsciousness, and more)

Within Naruto pages a reoccurring group of hax keep being given with the simplistic justification that High level Shinobi with vast and/or powerful chakra have consistently shown the ability to produce an aura. This is fine reasoning but the issue is blanketing it as something any character could/would do. If it's to be given the character should have an example, if not then it should be Likely so people reading the pages understand this is something that could happen not a standard in vs matches.

Additionally, some of these examples are pointless and don't convey much:

Sakura's feeling Biju chakra here, not regular chakra. Two different things, it has the special trait of feeling distinctly different and shouldn't be an example of "kage level". But also it just feels bad/evil, it isn't madness inducing or fear haxing Sakura or Yamato right here and they aren't Kage level at all.

This is said twice to be an illusion casted by Orochimaru. And it's likely the same thing he did to Kakashi. But even if it is just aura, not everyone does this, so why is it being labeled as though it's standard?

I'm going to disagree,after consuming kinshiki momoshiki was able to destroy the god tree by flexing his chakra, kawaki notes how mitsuki blood lust was making it hard to breathe and ino was literally shaking after sensing isshiki chakra. We have enough evidence of characters being able to damage the environment or their opponents by flexing their chakra/aura

 

[Arkenis]

I'm going to disagree,after consuming kinshiki momoshiki was able to destroy the god tree by flexing his chakra, kawaki notes how mitsuki blood lust was making it hard to breathe and ino was literally shaking after sensing isshiki chakra. We have enough evidence of characters being able to damage the environment or their opponents by flexing their chakra/aura

What are you disagreeing with?

 

[Xdsagecat]

Sakura's feeling Biju chakra here, not regular chakra. Two different things, it has the special trait of feeling distinctly different and shouldn't be an example of "kage level"

Uh correct me if I'm wrong but this is when the 4th tail emerges, and that he isn't kage level or am I missing smth?

 

[Arkenis]

Uh correct me if I'm wrong but this is when the 4th tail emerges, and that he isn't kage level or am I missing smth?

Idk that's up to the supporters.

 

[DavidTPPM]

So Orochimaru's lying? Or Kakashi's singular three tomoe just ain't that strong. Can rationalize it however you want.

If the fear aura is creating hallucinations it can still be considered as Orochimaru "casting an illusion". Which would also explain why they say "illusion" instead of "genjutsu", why Orochimaru isn't using any handsigns or any other known way of casting a genjustu, and why Orochimaru only uses it on 2 people explicitly said to have resistance to illusions and noone else.

 

[Kaydee1648]

So Orochimaru's lying? Or Kakashi's singular three tomoe just ain't that strong. Can rationalize it however you want.

This is an incredibly poor argument. Verbatim, in that exact panel you sent, Orochimaru says, “Amazing! The boy stabbed himself so that he would be able to focus on the pain and block out FEAR and illusion!”

The “illusion” aspect of the statement is nonspecific, it can be a facet that heightens a vague expression of what is not considered real or physical. If you are making a definite claim that is opposed to what is accepted, you will have to prove why that is so. Why is it genjutsu when the method used does not meet any of the conditions required to cast genjutsu? Why is it a layered genjutsu (affecting a 3 tomoe user) that he can somewhat use casually but never attempts again? Your proposed interpretation is fathomably weaker.

 

[Testarossa002]

Every ninja has aura. That aura becomes oppressive when infused with bloodlust. The issue you're having is that every "kage level" ninja aren't fighting with bloodlust by default. They have to actively infuse it (tobirama) or it subconsciously leaks out due to rage (Sai vs Deidara). So yeah, I disageee with its removal
Your issue with application is in vs matches where konohamaru can incap someone with his aura even though he never did that on-screen.
That can be solved with a simple note

All chakra users have the ability to exert oppressive auras on others. However, in the case of characters who have not displayed the ability to do so on-panel, the VS condition should specify them as being bloodlusted in order to achieve that ability.

Tl:dr
I'm against the outright removal or limitation of the ability on profiles. However, I'm not opposed to some elaboration when it comes to vs matches

 

[Arkenis]

This is an incredibly poor argument. Verbatim, in that exact panel you sent, Orochimaru says, “Amazing! The boy stabbed himself so that he would be able to focus on the pain and block out FEAR and illusion!”

Can easily be fear of the illusion.

The “illusion” aspect of the statement is nonspecific, it can be a facet that heightens a vague expression of what is not considered real or physical. If you are making a definite claim that is opposed to what is accepted, you will have to prove why that is so. Why is it genjutsu when the method used does not meet any of the conditions required to cast genjutsu? Why is it a layered genjutsu (affecting a 3 tomoe user) that he can somewhat use casually but never attempts again? Your proposed interpretation is fathomably weaker.

Ya'll getting caught on this is so telling at how much y'all don't understand the point of this crt. IDC if it is fear hax through aura, the examples just aren't the best to me. But whatever, the issue here is applying it to pages as though everyone with it on page has done it. Since that isn't true, I say a likely rating should be applied so that during matches and for the regular user there isn't the assumption these characters exude madness 2, fear inducing auras. And in similar fashion to Ghouls senses, it could even use the status of it being activatable.

I say it right here man

Within Naruto pages a reoccurring group of hax keep being given with the simplistic justification that High level Shinobi with vast and/or powerful chakra have consistently shown the ability to produce an aura. This is fine reasoning but the issue is blanketing it as something any character could/would do. If it's to be given the character should have an example, if not then it should be Likely so people reading the pages understand this is something that could happen not a standard in vs matches.

Every ninja has aura. That aura becomes oppressive when infused with bloodlust. The issue you're having is that every "kage level" ninja aren't fighting with bloodlust by default. They have to actively infuse it (tobirama) or it subconsciously leaks out due to rage (Sai vs Deidara). So yeah, I disageee with its removal
Your issue with application is in vs matches where konohamaru can incap someone with his aura even though he never did that on-screen.
That can be solved with a simple note

Tl:dr
I'm against the outright removal or limitation of the ability on profiles. However, I'm not opposed to some elaboration when it comes to vs matches

Yeah and my fix for this is just applying likely rating or now also it should be listed as something activatable.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

So 4tails Naruto's chakra and Zabuza are the same? And it is different chakra, the story clearly defines it as feeling different.

What do you mean by different chakra? Chakra is constant throughout the verse, no one has “different” chakra. The feeling the panel was referring to isn’t about composition but rather the state of mind of the person, in nard characters have different “feeling” to their chakra as in what their emotional state represents. Nard has a warm and sunny feeling to his chakra as his a kind guy and his chakra reflects, kurama has a evil and malicious chakra due to his hatred for humanity and that’s what reflected from his chakra.

So Orochimaru's lying? Or Kakashi's singular three tomoe just ain't that strong. Can rationalize it however you want.

Why would he be lying? It ain’t much that his lying more like you failed to understand what that scene is depicting. He never said that he used genjutsu only that they escaped an illusion, illusion in nard don’t automatically necessitate genjutsu thats just an assumption made on your part.

Also claiming that Kakashi sharingan isn’t strong is completely unfounded when even the uchiha wanted his ass gone just got possessing one. If it was so inferior they wouldn’t even entertain that thought and I don’t have to mention how broken Kamui is as an ability and how this man hasn’t gone blind from using? If anything this shringan is an anomaly.

We just don't see it, could be anything.

We literally see Sasuke and Sakura each and every move in the manga and anime with their entire body visible. You are forcing an assumption where it isn’t necessary.

Pain disrupts the chakra, unless you're telling me just harming yourself stops the aura?

He does it with a Chakra rod which is an Outer Path jutsu, it was made to disrupt chakra. You would know this if you read the manga.

Still doesn't fit the rules with random "high level shinobi" and "kage" being a level pointlessly added. And it at best would qualify for a likely rating for the characters who don't show their own example of it.

Nettington already want over this

 

[Godernet]

Still doesn't fit the rules with random "high level shinobi" and "kage" being a level pointlessly added. And it at best would qualify for a likely rating for the characters who don't show their own example of it.

I don’t think a likely is needed at all to be honest.

By the standards you quoted, as long as it has substantial evidence or examples of being a part of the power system it’s fine as a regular ability. A bunch of ppl using it isn’t enough but it can help substantiate that.

With the general nature of the ability not even being a jutsu, but quite literally just an outward expression of strong emotion manifesting in your chakra, which is half of what chakra is, the mind and soul transmuted into energy.

(Also noticed you said Sakura and Yamato aren’t Kage level when they 100% are, anyone that can compete with an Akatsuki member who fight Bijuu is basically Kage level.)

 

[Arkenis]

What do you mean by different chakra? Chakra is constant throughout the verse, no one has “different” chakra. The feeling the panel was referring to isn’t about composition but rather the state of mind of the person, in nard characters have different “feeling” to their chakra as in what their emotional state represents. Nard has a warm and sunny feeling to his chakra as his a kind guy and his chakra reflects, kurama has a evil and malicious chakra due to his hatred for humanity and that’s what reflected from his chakra.

That's different chakra. I'm not continuing on something so simple, you just explained the difference.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Can easily be fear of the illusion.


Ya'll getting caught on this is so telling at how much y'all don't understand the point of this crt. IDC if it is fear hax through aura, the examples just aren't the best to me. But whatever, the issue here is applying it to pages as though everyone with it on page has done it. Since that isn't true, I say a likely rating should be applied so that during matches and for the regular user there isn't the assumption these characters exude madness 2, fear inducing auras. And in similar fashion to Ghouls senses, it could even use the status of it being activatable.

We have addressed all your points for this to not be a “likely” rating. You haven’t even given a proper debunk to fear causing hallucinations or the fact that there isn’t a single piece of evidence proofing that genjutsu was used when on the contrary we provided multiple counter points that disproves that notion.

As far this thread is going, there is no reason to downgrade a solid rating to likely.

I disagree with this thread

 

[Arkenis]

I don’t think a likely is needed at all to be honest.

By the standards you quoted, as long as it has substantial evidence or examples of being a part of the power system it’s fine as a regular ability. A bunch of ppl using it isn’t enough but it can help substantiate that.

With the general nature of the ability not even being a jutsu, but quite literally just an outward expression of strong emotion manifesting in your chakra, which is half of what chakra is, the mind and soul transmuted into energy.

(Also noticed you said Sakura and Yamato aren’t Kage level when they 100% are, anyone that can compete with an Akatsuki member who fight Bijuu is basically Kage level.)

Because every character who has it, doesn't also have an example, unless you guys just decided not to add them? They should be added. When has Minato induce madness and fear hax someone? When has Kisame done it, when did Jiraiya, when did Kakashi, when did Sakura since apparently Sakura's also Kage level now, when did Chiyo do it. Do I gotta keep asking for the examples that don't exist?

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

That's different chakra. I'm not continuing on something so simple, you just explained the difference.

How is it different explain? Does it have different composition? Does it behave differently than normal chakra?

You have no valid points other than “feels” different. I just explained to you how chkara reflects the state of mind because it is the mind + soul of a person, this shouldn’t even be a debated topic if you have actually read naruto. There is no new element here only what already exists

 

[Arkenis]

How is it different explain? Does it have different composition? Does it behave differently than normal chakra?

You have no valid points other than “feels” different. I just explained to you how chkara reflects the state of mind because it is the mind + soul of a person, this shouldn’t even be a debated topic if you have actually read naruto. There is not new element here only what already exists

I'm not gonna sit here and explain how biju chakra is different from regular chakra, reread the manga. And this is widely irrelevant to the crt so drop it.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

I'm not gonna sit here and explain how biju chakra is different from regular chakra, reread the manga. And this is widely irrelevant to the crt so drop it.

So you have nothing? Good, I expected as much. You have to proof that it is different since you are the one making the claim here. So yes you are obligated to prove it

And it’s not wildly irrelevant when your very first point of evidence was that tailed beasts have different chakra cus Sakura had a “feeling” which has been debunked and corrected by me.

Sakura's feeling Biju chakra here, not regular chakra. Two different things, it has the special trait of feeling distinctly different and shouldn't be an example of "kage level". But also it just feels bad/evil, it isn't madness inducing or fear haxing Sakura or Yamato right here and they aren't Kage level at all.

 

[Godernet]

Because every character who has it, doesn't also have an example, unless you guys just decided not to add them? They should be added. When has Minato induce madness and fear hax someone? When has Kisame done it, when did Jiraiya, when did Kakashi, when did Sakura since apparently Sakura's also Kage level now, when did Chiyo do it. Do I gotta keep asking for the examples that don't exist?

You do realize that even the standards you’re citing doesn’t require every character that has an ability have their own feats of it if it’s something that can be concluded as an ability of the power system.

An ability is regular only if it is consistently shown, practiced, acknowledged, and stated within the energy system. Merely having multiple characters perform it, isn't enough.

If this were a misc ability that some characters can just learn, you would have a point but that’s not the case here…

• We’re told that Jounin Class Shinobi can do it (pm 90% of the verse is Jounin Class Shinobi or Kage)
• Various Jounin/Kage Class Shinobi demonstrate it.
• Bijuu demonstrate with no training use it.

With the context of the story we know that the rank itself is insignificant to the ability (being a Jounin doesn’t give you standard issue techniques but they do float around a baseline power level being the apexes of the original series), and we know how the aura works based on how chakra itself functions (transmuting your spiritual, mental and physical aspects into a tangible energy.)

So it’s not even an assumption to say that this ability is tied to powerful chakra users, and that being the case it’s not even a “likely” that an Otsutsuki or other people far more powerful than Zabuza would have an ability directly tied to powerful chakra users expressing their emotions through their aura.

So if we go off our standards then the fear hax aura is being treated fine currently.

 

[Arkenis]

You do realize that even the standards you’re citing doesn’t require every character that has an ability have their own feats of it if it’s something that can be concluded as an ability of the power system.

An ability is regular only if it is consistently shown, practiced, acknowledged, and stated within the energy system. Merely having multiple characters perform it, isn't enough.

And then you read this

If there is reasonable support or logic that a character could perform an ability, assign a “Likely” rating for clarity.

This is for when you don't have an example but you have some reason they could perform it. So again, characters who don't have an example should be given a likely.

And since Naruto doesn't have a proper vsp page for some reason, I can't even address the bigger issue you guys have made here with this ability on page.

 

[Nierre]

The justification could definitely use a rewording + more examples to convey what it is meant to say. So currently, I share the same thoughts as Test on this.

 

[Godernet]

And then you read this

This is for when you don't have an example but you have some reason they could perform it. So again, characters who don't have an example should be given a likely.

To me this just seems like it’s referring to abilities that don’t qualify as “regular” abilities for the power system.

If an ability just has examples of usage but no other context to be a normal ability within the power system then “likely” is applied.

And since Naruto doesn't have a proper vsp page for some reason, I can't even address the bigger issue you guys have made here with this ability on page.

A General Chakra page is being made eventually that will help contextualize abilities like this as just products of how chakra fundamentally works, if you have any issues, I would save it for that to be honest.

 

[Arkenis]

To me this just seems like it’s referring to abilities that don’t qualify as “regular” abilities for the power system.

Well I made the rules, so I think I understand my point with them.

If an ability just has examples of usage but no other context to be a normal ability within the power system then “likely” is applied.

No. It's for when the ability has examples but some characters don't, apply likely to those characters. Reread it.

 

[Arkenis]

The justification could definitely use a rewording + more examples to convey what it is meant to say. So currently, I share the same thoughts as Test on this.

The justification is besides the point, although very much in need of a rework. The issue is applying the hax to characters who don't have clear examples of what's being labeled.

 

[Godernet]

Well I made the rules, so I think I understand my point with them.


No. It's for when the ability has examples but some characters don't, apply likely to those characters. Reread it.

Can you link the the thread that got accepted, I’m curious how staff took it bc that feels like a very different thing than what’s being verbalized on the page (I’d argue it needs to be reworded tbh)

 

[Arkenis]

Can you link the the thread that got accepted, I’m curious how staff took it bc that feels like a very different thing than what’s being verbalized on the page (I’d argue it needs to be reworded tbh)

Verse Specific Powers and Abilities Rules

So this has happened too much for us not to make rules/limits around it. But VSP need better rules than just the UES stuff. I'll give examples for what I'm talking about and then what should be added as rules to better manage this. Got perms from KingTempest. Characters should have...

vsbattles.com

 

[Godernet]

Verse Specific Powers and Abilities Rules

So this has happened too much for us not to make rules/limits around it. But VSP need better rules than just the UES stuff. I'll give examples for what I'm talking about and then what should be added as rules to better manage this. Got perms from KingTempest. Characters should have...

vsbattles.com

Hmm, I wish I knew this was happening bc I agree with the sentiment but not how it was done.

Give me a bit to look into this

 

[Arkenis]

What's worded on page is what's in the thread. This isn't some complex rule. Number 2 is precisely as it says.
The power system may showcase a special trait besides it's general things like energy manipulation or regular enhancements. Multiple characters can display a certain ability but that doesn't mean everyone even due to levels now gets it slapped on.

The main point of rule 2 is to make sure the hax is not completely unviable for the character, but to emphasize the fact the character has no examples, and thus to counteract people mindlessly slapping every trait onto a character. So we clarify such an ability isn't the standard for them.

The other half is if one's to argue they'd do it in a match. The likely rating acts as a form of doubt instead of having us argue around people bringing up "but X has xyz" when in fact the character hasn't shown it.

 

[Godernet]

After reading the thread I don’t believe this falls under what you have gripes with because it’s not a unique trait of individuals.

It’s quite literally in the energy system.

It’s not like a jutsu that needs to be learned or a trait that you have to question whether or not someone has.

Everyone in Naruto has mental energy that can be transmuted into chakra.

All Shinobi transmute their mental energy into chakra.

All Jounin Class Shinobi have powerful enough chakra to where their emotions are felt in their chakra.

This would naturally extend to Kage which are all just Jounin+

We’ve even been showcased that even Bijuu have it, furthering the evidence that it’s an innate trait of chakra rather than something that needs to be trained or taught.

The justification being reworded eventually is fine, that was the plan regardless on a later date, but so far nothing has been provided that has warranted a likely or enough skepticism to remove it for everyone that hasn’t showcased it besides “feats or statements that they can do that?”

When context suggests that yes, they can all do that, that’s the nature of chakra it’s not even a possibility or a high likelihood, that’s just how chakra works.

Like I said before though I would wait for the chakra thread bc we plan on revamping a lot including this ability.

 

[Arkenis]

It’s quite literally in the energy system.

Never denied that, literally said the reasoning is fine.

All Jounin Class Shinobi have powerful enough chakra to where their emotions are felt in their chakra.

To the extent they cause madness 2, fear hax, and destruction? I do not think you understand the point here. Also are you suggesting the level is Jonin or Kage? These are vastly different in story.

This would naturally extend to Kage which are all just Jounin+

Okay, and the issue is that not everyone with it shows it.

We’ve even been showcased that even Bijuu have it, furthering the evidence that it’s an innate trait of chakra rather than something that needs to be trained or taught.

Biju having it is a completely different reason. The biju have more chakra than your average Jonin and its meant to be exuded in a destructive way due to it's nature and because of the bijus hatred. All chakra isn't like that. All characters aren't like that. You're fundamentally changing how these characters are for the sake of slapping hax on them.

When context suggests that yes, they can all do that, that’s the nature of chakra it’s not even a possibility or a high likelihood, that’s just how chakra works.

What context suggests Yamato can cause madness 2 in people? What context suggests Mei causes madness 2 in people? Or Onoki? Has Sakura done it? Cause now apparently Sakura's kage level. So where are all their examples?

If that's how the nature of chakra worked then we'd be getting it done a lot more at random times, instead it's often specific displays of it to demonstrate the character's power not a standard trait. Chakra isn't normally filled with ones malice or bloodlust correct?

 

[Testarossa002]

The likely rating acts as a form of doubt instead of having us argue around people bringing up "but X has xyz" when in fact the character hasn't shown it.

That's why I suggested the note
"likely" implies that there's not enough evidence for the ability. Which isn't true.
It's just not an in-character move for a lot of the characters
I don't believe we give partial ratings for characters not using a move in-character even though verse mechanics prove that they CAN use it

 

[Arkenis]

That's why I suggested the note
"likely" implies that there's not enough evidence for the ability. Which isn't true.
It's just not an in-character move for a lot of the characters
I don't believe we give partial ratings for characters not using a move in-character even though verse mechanics prove that they CAN use it

But there isn't enough evidence for the character. This is exclusive to VSP, not a broad change of how we handle it. And we don't give likely ratings to things people could do, we don't even give it to them.

 

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