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Naruto/Boruto General Ninja discussion thread #35

@ BFF

toneri scale from Base naruto (with chakra enhanced Strength)/BM naruto not BSM cuz BM naruto 1 shot him/or toneri survive base naruto(chakra enhanced punch)/BM attack without dying

Normally BM is 3x time stronger then base
 
Also we weren't using the 10 multiplier for BSM Naruto if I remember correctly.

We are gonna use the 2x multiplier logically because Naruto is using only half of his power because he split up Kurama
 
true we never used 10 multiplier for BSM Naruto .......................... yet lol
 
10x multiplier should be only used for war arc Naruto cause he literally went from low6B I think to freaking high 6A lol.
 
Anyhow, the multiplier wouldn't affect Teen Naruto for now. The gap between Low 6-B and High 6-A is much more bigger than 10x.
 
Burning Full Fingers said:
By the way, the current revision would make Toneri and BSM Naruto the strongest in the verse by an order of magnitude. I'm sorry, but I can't agree with it as it goes against context in the story.

I'm pretty adamant that SPSM + Kurama Mode is Adult Naruto's strongest mode aside from Asura Avatar - if it ever shows up again, along with the Bijuu chakra - and I'm sure this will be shown if Naruto fights again. He didn't bother attempting to use BSM in his latest major fight, and we know he can activate it pretty damn fast. He won't use BSM in any important fight such as the one against Momoshiki. I'm 99% sure on this.

"Feats" and all that can't excuse everything. This is something I can't get behind unless we're directly told and shown...which will likely never happen. I just had to say it in advance in case the thread comes, as I won't support Toneri and BSM Naruto being an entire order of magnitude above everyone else in the verse.

Surely, even the creators would laugh at the idea of Toneri being stronger than Momoshiki. And we're even going with the anime as supporting canon in light of the recent info about Kodachi. If I'm remembering correctly, the fight shows Momo blocking Naruto's chakra punch...you know, the same punch that shattered Toneri's dreams. And yeah, I read everything TFO posted. I just can't agree in this case.

I gotta respectfully disagree here.
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I respect the fact that you disagree, all I will say is this:

  • You are disagreeing based on your own opinions about "context" wherein nothing shown and stated puts SPSM Massively Above Base Naruto (It's really only arbitrarily being decided).
  • You are making assumptions about forms and Authors reactions.
Mind you, what I said was, Ashura Avatar > KCSM.

Seriously, we can compare SPSM to KCSM and SPSM will not logically stack up...but if you are going to refuse to accept the facts, what more can I say?
 
Burning Full Fingers said:
By the way, the current revision would make Toneri and BSM Naruto the strongest in the verse by an order of magnitude. I'm sorry, but I can't agree with it as it goes against context in the story.

I'm pretty adamant that SPSM + Kurama Mode is Adult Naruto's strongest mode aside from Asura Avatar - if it ever shows up again, along with the Bijuu chakra - and I'm sure this will be shown if Naruto fights again. He didn't bother attempting to use BSM in his latest major fight, and we know he can activate it pretty damn fast. He won't use BSM in any important fight such as the one against Momoshiki. I'm 99% sure on this.

"Feats" and all that can't excuse everything. This is something I can't get behind unless we're directly told and shown...which will likely never happen. I just had to say it in advance in case the thread comes, as I won't support Toneri and BSM Naruto being an entire order of magnitude above everyone else in the verse.

Surely, even the creators would laugh at the idea of Toneri being stronger than Momoshiki. And we're even going with the anime as supporting canon in light of the recent info about Kodachi. If I'm remembering correctly, the fight shows Momo blocking Naruto's chakra punch...you know, the same punch that shattered Toneri's dreams. And yeah, I read everything TFO posted. I just can't agree in this case.

I gotta respectfully disagree here.
Click to expand...
I respect the fact that you disagree, all I will say is this:

  • You are disagreeing based on your own opinions about "context" wherein nothing shown and stated puts SPSM Massively Above Base Naruto (It's really only arbitrarily being decided).
  • You are making assumptions about forms and Authors reactions.
Mind you, what I said was, Ashura Avatar > KCSM.

Seriously, we can compare SPSM to KCSM and SPSM will not logically stack up...but if you are going to refuse to accept the facts, what more can I say?
 
Yeah, I'd have to disagree. I'm using common sense, really. Anyone can compare them and mention "facts" as much as they like. It very obviously goes against context and happenings in the series, and clearly the authors disagree with what you're saying. What the authors show and try to portray is > what anyone in the fanbase thinks. Except it's something for the sake of the plot, of course.

We see Momoshiki blocking the same punch that one-shot Toneri. I don't want to repeat and drag things out, but we might as well not use the portrayal of the characters and events in the anime as supporting canon if we're going to ignore that.

That's all from me concerning this. I'll try not to get involved again. Let's see how things go in future manga events.
 
@BFF, Naruto's Punch against Momoshiki =/= Naruto's Punch against Toneri.

  • Against Toneri: Base Naruto's SPC + Kurama Chakra + Nature Energy Enhancing It All
  • Against Momoshiki: Base Naruto's SPC + Kurama Chakra
You tell me which is the stronger of the two. Edit: You're ignoring the bolded, which makes the difference.
 
No Toad Sage Mode pigmentation around Naruto's eyes when he gathered the chakra to his hand, but sure. Like I said, I disagree and I don't want things to drag out. Others will decide when the time comes.

Has 5-B Base Naruto been accepted yet?
 
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