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Naruto/Boruto General Discussion Thread #8

@Dzhindzholia

I'm fairly sure Kep convinced them, and Tata is supposed to make a thread about shorter timeframes or something like that.
 
I think we should Mention Sasuke blitzing and cutting apart Madara with out the need for Susanoo under his Low 5-B thing. so that we dont need to say Higher with Susanoo

so that everyone knows his low 5-B in his base form
 
Burning Full Fingers said:
Err, scaling in Naruto is not always A > B > C. Kurenai specializes in genjutsu, so I don't see why she should be 7-C scaling from jonin that specialize in ninjutsu. All that warrants is an "at least".
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She's a Jonin. Not Special Jonin. If she hsd Chinin level stats and specialized in one or so areas higher than the average (Such as Genjutsu), she'd be a Special Jonin like Ibisu, Genma, Raido, Katasuke.

But she's a jonin. Uchiha dpevialize in Genjutsu, that doesn't mean they're Chunin level elsewhere. I'm sorry, but it's nonsensicsl to have her at Chunin level.
 
The 1 minute time fram comes from no where. Let us be honest using the anime and manga scans the 5 second timeframe is was it looks like. Then low balling to 30 seconds makes the most sense.
 
@Shadowbokunohero

Sasuke did not blitz him,Madara stand still after he gained Obito's MS,so Sasuke cut him,but Madara was prepared for that.But he was able to cut him in half,that is low5B.

He is still stronger with Susanoo,as Naruto and Madara.
 
I don't want to just talk about Minato needing to be City+, I want to actually upgrade him. So let's discuss this more, Shall we?

Minato should be City+ on the basis of:

  • Hiruzen feared Minato coming back
  • Anko (Oro's student) considered Minato the only one capable of beating Orochimaru
  • Ay states Minato is a superior Ninja to anyone else
  • In the war, Base Minato was implied to be comparable Kakashi (Able to fight on equal footing) against BZ. Though this is more recognition of Kakashi being able to fight side by side with Minato.
The Context is simple. Also, Kakashi himself was "At Least Town level" in Pain Invasion Arc iirc. Jiraiya around the same time states Kakashi has a ways to go still before he could Become Hokage. Although circumstances would've made Kakashi hokage anyways after the invasion, in Jiraiya's eyes, Minato is clearly superior.

So, "At Least Town level" is definitely downplaying Minato.
 
I don't see any problem with it, but wouldn't it upgrade A? Minato chose to dodge his attack. Although Minato doesn't have durability feats in the first place, so I put him at Unknown.
 
Hiruzen never said that he was afraid of Minato coming back he said that he would prefer if Minato fought Oro rather than himself.

I dont remember Ankos statement

Ay said that he is the finest ninja he faced not the finest ninja of them all

Black Zetsu didnt state that they were equal he just said that as soon as he stops leeching on obito that he will get killed by Minato(Who i dont remember if he was in KCM) and Kakashi
 
Minato probably physically equal to Kakashi, his fighting style revolves around knife using, speed, FTG, and Rasengan, finishing enemy as quicky as possible with what I wrote unlike the Raikages.
 
I don't see how you can say Ay is only "7-C+" either. He's a Kage and we're putting him on the same level as regular Jonin?

The simple fact KCM Naruto considered Ay's v1 Cloak punches "solid and could hurt someone" despite having 7-B+ Durability at the time is a testament to his strength. Plus I think it's ludacrous to think a v2 Jinchuriki would body a Kage...

Absence of proof doesn't give us the right to throw logic to the window. Kages in Base should be at least town level+. This is by logic.
 
Oh boy.

The guy that has a 7-C feat for crushing juubi with those huge rock spheres has been stated to be kage level

Ay supposedly hurt naruto once yet got overpowered by B 3 times including once when both agreed to use full power as to test each other

V2 would beat some kages heck a lot of kages/kage level fighters would be defeated by a v2 jincuriki even Tobirama was killed by Kinkaku and Gingaku

Logic through the window u say

If A >= KCM Naruto then Base War Naruto > KCM Naruto as

Minato > A and Naruto surpassed Minato stated by Kurama.
 
@Shrek

Sorry, I'm on my phone, so im playing catch up with everyones repsonses.

About the Minato, BZ and Kakashi thing, BZ made that statement before they fought. The fight was primarily skipped, but when we return:

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Which is what I meant by them being implied to be on the same level. Kakashi being able to stand on equal footing with Minato and Such.
 
Tobirama got killed by a squad of 24 elite ninjas(likely includes kin and Gin)

It's said that Ay once battle Gyuki and manged to cut off a horn

Kurama saying Naruto surpassed Minato is just a statement
 
Edo Minato according to Orochimaru was 'close' to his full power if he is comparable to Kakashi he should be city+
 
Ssr4vegito. said:
It's said that Ay once battle Gyuki and manged to cut off a horn
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Treated like an outlier as of now, however i will make a thread about this and all the other incidents concerning non High 6-C characters hurting Bijuu.
 
Iirc, Kin or Gin (not two of them at the same time) send to kill Tobirama with 12-20 A-Rank.
 
Guys I wanna ask about Kurama 50%.....when 50% Kurama lost majority of his chakra to Naruto (end of Naruto vs Kurama) even though 70-80% depleted of chakra, Naruto said "wow you still have this much chakra/power, your amazing"

Also I though that B was stronger then KCM Naruto since he did get overpowered by Ay yet KCM Naruto had a some issues. Not only that but B should be upgraded since he took on the Takas in his Base yet was even trying
 
Debunking some misconceptions on Ay vs Bee:

For starters, Killer Bee only engages with Ay in 2 chapters:

  • Ref. Chapter 541
  • Ref. Chapter 543
Note: Chapter 542 is Flashback only.

That being said, in 541, Naruto attemps to get past Ay and Tsunade twice to no avail. Here Ay speaks about Minato and pisses Naruto off. He gets pissed and decides to Kill Naruto (Stated).

  • While in his v1 cloak, the first time he punches Naruto, Naruto notes his punches are "super solid and could hurt someone".
  • When he goes after Naruto with killing intent, Killer Bee Blocks his punch with a partially transformed hand.
Afterwards in chapter 541, Ay states he will not kill KB.

Summary:

  • Ay's punches while in v1 raiton cloak without killing intent are strong enough for Naruto feel them and have a air of caution about them.
  • Killer Bee has to Block Ay's v1 cloak KI punch with a partially transformed fist.
  • Ay states he will not Kill Bee.
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In Chapter 543, Naruto attempts to get past Ay 2 more times to No avail.

  • While in mid air, Bee attepts to Lariat Ay, yet does no damage to him.
  • Ay states Bee's Lariat won't work on him and casually elbows Bee in the side which does significant damage to Bee.
  • Naruto attepts to get past Ay again, while Bee attempts to hold him back, but Ay slams Bee into Naruto slightly hurting them both.
  • Bee attempts to Lariat Ay again, does no Damage, but this time, blocks a casual punch from him (It implied Bee is getting stronger in these instances).
  • On the third try, Ay finally gets a little Serious, and they both Lariat each other. After a brief Struggle, Bee wins, knocking Ay down.
  • Ay then attempts to test Naruto by going at him again. Bee Notes this time Ay is using is full power and Ay goes at Naruto with the Intent to Kill.
Note: In every instance of Bee engaging Ay, Ay was holding back and not going at him with the intent to kill. In 2 out of the three instances, Bee could not Harm Ay. And even when Ay got serious, he still didn't use his full power against him nor was going at Bee with Killing intent, this is denoted when Bee notes Ay is going full power.

Bee didn't tank multiple Lariats from Ay nor overpowered him 3 times. Base Bee is getting significantly hurt by direct casual, punches from Ay who was holding back...
 
BlackeJan said:
Guys I wanna ask about Kurama 50%.....when 50% Kurama lost majority of his chakra to Naruto (end of Naruto vs Kurama) even though 70-80% depleted of chakra, Naruto said "wow you still have this much chakra/power, your amazing"

Also I though that B was stronger then KCM Naruto since he did get overpowered by Ay yet KCM Naruto had a some issues. Not only that but B should be upgraded since he took on the Takas in his Base yet was even trying
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^^^^
 
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