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Cause he isnt the main character anymore.Burning Full Fingers said:
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Naruto/Boruto Dattebayo Discussion Thread #29
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Because Naruto is so much stronger than everyone in his verse, he just doesn't need then.
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Ok, let's just dump it in the same bracket as Kaguya not using the except for ETSB.
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A battleboard I moderate has a majority consensus that Naruto doesn't have have TSB anymore because he doesn't have So6P as an adult.
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Exceot he clearly does as shown in the manga.
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Well, we've all seen that many times. I'm saying this in advance for the argumentative ones among us; don't start anything.
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FTFYBurning Full Fingers said:
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No, he has not been in BM with Kurama separated before, that never happened.IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
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TSB's can be created any time...Toneri, Obito and Kaguya demonstrate this. Naruto and Madara just didn't.Burning Full Fingers said:
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Exactly Toneri spammed the crap out of them, like machine gun fire.TheFinalOrder said:
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Even after Naruto destroyed them, Toneri reformed them.Rocker1189 said:
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Let's rexamine the Boruto potentially being 7-C with Rasengan and get a concensus. Me and IMade disagree with each other, whether or not Boruto should scale to Ao for making him scream in pain.
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What else is there to argue?
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Right, I guess you guys should come to a conclusion here. Might be better instead of making another thread.
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I personally think Boruto should be 7-C.
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His clones can maintain BM while a Kurama manifestation is up.TheFinalOrder said:
Also, tack on the fact of the mechanics of KCM. In KCM Naruto is solely using Kurama's Chakra and not his own. You're arguing that he can somehow use Kurama's Chakra when separated from Kurama.
Also, you realize it's literally not possible for Kurama to be "separated" from Naruto? Need I remind you what happens when a Bijuu is separated from it's Jinchuriki? The only conclusion is it's BM.
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I dont really care about the argument(neither do I understand why it is important). But this is a terrible point, his clones using BM is to the with the fact that clones are still connected to the original via chakra, so you can use that as an example.IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
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Doesn't that mean Kaguya can use them all if she wanted to?
Doesn't that mean Kaguya can use them all if she wanted to?
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So somehow Naruto's clones have connections, yet Naruto himself does not? Yeah it doesn't make sense either. The assumption of Naruto using KCM in The Last breaks the mechanics of KCM, disregards that Naruto can't be separated from Kurama and ignores that Naruto is connected to Kurama at all times.
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Ah hell, Naruto characters are cracking space. What in the world is happening in Baruto.I am myself You are you said:
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I am not saying he can not I am just stating not to use a clone to represent Naruto, like I said I don tcare about BM or KCM and dont know why it matters.IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
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Yeah for like a year now, seems Kaguya, failing to tell the clan about Naruto Earth meant that someone like Naruto is forcing the space curvature to increase and that is somehow breaking space....LordGriffin1000 said:
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...Ok.
...Ok.
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If only Naruto could use that to break space and travel through dimensions.
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Shadow Clones being in BM is not the same thing bro, thatbis a false equivalence and need I remind you KCM is Naruto using the Chakra he stripoed away from Kurama, not from Kurama directly?IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
And "how" he's able to release Kurama, much like Obito releasing Juubi is not explained.
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It's not a false equivalency, it's showing how there is always a connection which allows for a Kurama Manifestation to be up. That was the point of bringing it up.TheFinalOrder said:
KCM is using Chakra that's from Kurama, there is still a connection between them as shown in the scan I linked. They both are siphoning Chakra from the other in place of the switch. That connection still exist.
Obito never releases the Juubi, he can summon the God Tree though which is the shell, not the Chakra of the Juubi. Obito is also a special case since the Juubi is cut in two. The shell and the Chakra of it. Obito is no longer a Jinchuriki when he has the Juubi's Chakra extracted from him. The shell being separated is nothing.
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Boruto and Mitsuki should both have mhs+ reactions and just be High Hypersonic. Kawaki as well scales
We need new renders for Boruto
We need new renders for Boruto
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Imagine if Obito could release the Juubi like Naruto and Kurama. That'd be one big nightmare.
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Can someone clean them
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Thanks a lot man I don't know how u did it so fast
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NP, its real easy.
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@IMade
You are making alot of unfounded assumptions.
How this and Naruto releasing Kurama is unknown. We do not know the mechanics behind these instances. Are Obito and Naruto still connected to Juubi and Kurama? Yes. But you are assuming the "how?" With no proof to back your claim.
My guess is it's a similar Mechanic to Obito controlling the Biju, despite them being sealed inside the Gedou, but how that was possible is never really explained.
In the Last it's KCM + SM, not BSM. Kurama can't be synced to Naruto and outside of Naruto simultaneously. There is no basis to base this Notion that they are, on. Madara taking in the god tree to have RinneSharingan is especially telling. Your logic here asserts there would be 2 RinneSharingan person.
You are making alot of unfounded assumptions.
- First: KCM isn't Naruto getting Chakra from Kurama Directly. KCM is Naruto using the Chakra he stole from Kurama that is now his. It is separated from Kurama. The Mechanics of KCM is, "Naruto must Shelve his own chakra to use the Chakra he stole from Kurama and upon using said chakra, he takes on the cloak form". BM and KCM are firstly different here. BM is Naruto syncing his Chakra with Kurama's Chakra entirely, allowing him to use Kurama's full power. KCM is Naruto using the Chakra he stole from Kurama instead of his own. That chakra he stole is not "from Kurama".
- Second: Obito does release the Juubi bro...you are assuming that is just the shell, which makes no sense. Obito releases the Juubi, the Juubi transforms into the God Tree.
How this and Naruto releasing Kurama is unknown. We do not know the mechanics behind these instances. Are Obito and Naruto still connected to Juubi and Kurama? Yes. But you are assuming the "how?" With no proof to back your claim.
My guess is it's a similar Mechanic to Obito controlling the Biju, despite them being sealed inside the Gedou, but how that was possible is never really explained.
In the Last it's KCM + SM, not BSM. Kurama can't be synced to Naruto and outside of Naruto simultaneously. There is no basis to base this Notion that they are, on. Madara taking in the god tree to have RinneSharingan is especially telling. Your logic here asserts there would be 2 RinneSharingan person.
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Btw, the Scan you posted speaking about KCM proves my point further. It literally states Naruto took Kurama's Chakra away.
This scan puts the nail in the coffin:
This scan puts the nail in the coffin:
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Btw, it doesn't even matter, Adult BM, KCM Naruto would be the same tier anyways as Base Naruto is planet level. Those forms offer a Minute amp and Naruto is skilled enough to not have to shelve his chakra for KCM anyways as he is shown doing so.
BSM or KCSM should both be Ashura Avatar Level anyways...
BSM or KCSM should both be Ashura Avatar Level anyways...
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First: As we are told, KCM is a switch of Chakra between Naruto and Kurama, they are still connected as they are literally said to be siphoning of the other.
Second: I don't understand how you keep thinking Obito releases the Juubi when I gave you a scan showing the Juubi Chakra still in Obito after he summoned the shell to make the God Tree. That already nulls any notion that Obito had extracted the Juubi out of him. Recall that extraction of the Juubi from both Madara and Obito was going to kill him. You should already know he didn't extract it from himself by that since he didn't die when he did this and since we saw the Chakra in him.
Second: I don't understand how you keep thinking Obito releases the Juubi when I gave you a scan showing the Juubi Chakra still in Obito after he summoned the shell to make the God Tree. That already nulls any notion that Obito had extracted the Juubi out of him. Recall that extraction of the Juubi from both Madara and Obito was going to kill him. You should already know he didn't extract it from himself by that since he didn't die when he did this and since we saw the Chakra in him.
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@IMade
So, I actually will agree that it is BSM in the last, and this is based on Obito releasing "Juubi" (And note, i'm not a dumbass, I know he's no "releasing" Juubi like that). There are three reasons why:
And note, this is not comparable to simply creating Shadow Clones. There is no clone of Naruto within Kurama, just Kurama, and what's more, when Naruto deactivates his Chakra mode, we clearly see it is a flesh and blood version of Kurama, just like it was for Obito and Juubi.
- You are ignoring the fact that the KCM Chakra is no longer apart of Kurama. This is stated and shown on the scans. The only thing the scan on yours is showing and stating is that when Naruto shelves his own, Kurama can siphon his chakra, but KCM Chskra is no longer from Kurama. That portion was stripped away and stored elsewhere.
- I never said the chakra was extracted from him. Nor is the Juubi/Godtree that Obito expelled an empty vessel. Recall that despite Obito having the Biju extracted, he still had the Gedou Mazou (Which is the Empty Vessel of the Shinju/Godtree) within him.
So, I actually will agree that it is BSM in the last, and this is based on Obito releasing "Juubi" (And note, i'm not a dumbass, I know he's no "releasing" Juubi like that). There are three reasons why:
- First, Obito did release Juubi, but it's not the "actual" Juubi, rather a "Version" of it. We know this is a actual version of Juubi because not only was it expelled in the Juubi's form that Obito absorbed it in before it transformed, but it transformed into a fresh Godtree. This isn't an empty Shell either as we know chakraless Godtree's are shriveled up husks.
- Second, despite Obito spawning a full version of Juubi/Godtree, he still retained Gedou Mazou and the Biju Chakra in his body, and we know the Gedou Mazou is the true Husk/Empty-Shell of the Juubi/Godtree.
- We know this wasn't just a "fake" version either because despite Madara absorbing the Juubi with the Biju in it, Kaguya spoke to Madara from the Godtree that Obito expelled, urging him to absorb it back into himself, which powered up Madara further.
And note, this is not comparable to simply creating Shadow Clones. There is no clone of Naruto within Kurama, just Kurama, and what's more, when Naruto deactivates his Chakra mode, we clearly see it is a flesh and blood version of Kurama, just like it was for Obito and Juubi.
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I agree with TFO
