Name: Veldanava Key Division — Part 2

[Ciel_Trinity439]

Goodmorning/evening everyone
The previous CRT was a success, so we're here again with part 2. Today I wanted to separate All-One and Veldanava into separate profiles.​

Veldanava and Ivarage

Spoiler: Difference

Veldanava and Ivarage are two halves of the same coin, they are each other's half.

Lonely. Regretful. Unforgivable.

There was once a time when it was the flawless and perfect “All-one.”
It was fulfilled. Ivarage, who had neither intellect, nor sensibility, nor even emotion,did not feel anxiety or dissatisfaction, and did not even feel boredom.
And yethalf of the body was lost.

The dreamlike sense of omnipotence disappeared, and it was exposed to a reality whose future could not be seen.
Source
V22 Prologue

Now, Ivarage said she was once the "All-One" in Volume 22 Chapter 1

And Veldanava also said he "gave away" his Omnipotence and Omniscience (All-One) many times:

That’s right. Thinking about it, it had been wrong from the very beginning. Did not Lord Veldanava always desire a world filled with diversity!

Even if one were omniscient and omnipotent, loneliness is disliked and thus it was Veldanava who separated from Ivarage. Such a lord would never ignore our opinions. Only now did Feldway come to realize this.
Source
V23C5

（──いいえ。お兄様も、万能ではないという事ね。全知全能を捨てて今に至るのだから、何でもかんでも思 い通りにはいかないのだわ）
多分、そういう事なのだろう。

(No. Elder Brother also isn't omnipotent, that's it.
Because he abandoned Omniscience and Omnipotence and arrived at the present, it does not go as he wishes in every single matter. Probably, that is how it is.)
Translation by @RaikiKurohane99 in DMs
V23C4

This means that theoretically, the merge of Ivarage and Veldanava is the All-One, right? But no, this is wrong because it was corrected later in the last Volume. In Volume 23 Chapter 5, at the end of the fight between Luvelage (Veldanava + Ivarage + Lucia), it was said (and confirmed) that the Veldanava was never the All-One, and neither is Ivarage or Luvelage (Fusion):

“Don’t be ridiculous! I’m no longer alone! I reclaimed Veldanava and became one with him. I’ve become omniscient and omnipotent!!”

Good grief. Luvelage is so utterly ignorant that all I can do is laugh.
He absorbed Veldanava and even went so far as to give himself a “name,” trying to return to the state of the “All-One,” yet in the end, he failed to attain omniscience and omnipotence.

Well, that was only to be expected. After all, your very existence itself is a contradiction.

The “All-One” exists precisely because it lacks contradictions, yet Veldanava possessed far too many of them. Having absorbed and integrated such a being, there was no possible way for Luvelage to return to the “All-One.”

«That is the truth.»

Right? It’s logic simple enough that even a child could understand it.
V23C5

God became one once again. And yet, why is it not the “All-one”?

There are likely many factors, but Rimuru’s words are probably correct after all. In the end, there are multiple ways of thinking. All of them were correct, and yet also incorrect.
Source
V23C5

Not Dead

Spoiler: All-One still exists

Rather than dividing into two, Veldanava abandoned his own self (All-One) to be born (manifest)

In truth, he understood.

That the one who was the Creator had discarded himself. Not wanting to acknowledge that, it had been struggling until now. But that too is already over. That place was warm, and everything was fulfilled.
Source
V19C4

Hahaha, you see, that’s because I am not something like omniscient and omnipotent. When I was born, only my will existed. At that time, I was fulfilled, and there was not a single thing lacking. Perfect and flawless, “All-one” in other words, it was a world where only I existed. That kind of thing is boring, isn’t it?

I see, Guy thought. Because it was Guy, he was able to understand. In other words, Veldanava had discarded omniscience and omnipotence by his own will.


(Well, of course. Being able to foresee every single result would be unbearably boring.)
Source
V16E

This means Veldanava + Ivarage =/= All-One. Then there's the problem of if this "All-One" still exists. Well it does, because even after Veldanava and Ivarage split (which should theoretically make the All-One not exist anymore), other True Dragons were still born, sharing the same origin. That last part is important because it shows that the "All-One" never divided, it simply manifests in different forms:

世界は残酷だが、全てを与えてくれる。
　それが、ヴェルダナーヴァの創造した世界だ。
　ヴェルダナーヴァは、〝全なる一〟──その孤独に耐えかねた。
　だからこそ、退屈を紛らわせる為に世界を生み出した。その過程で、ヴェルダナーヴァと根源を同一とする 妹弟達──〝竜種〟が誕生する。
〝竜種〟が四体となった事で、混沌としていた世界が安定した。秩序が整ったのだ。

The world is cruel, but it gives everything. That is the world created by Veldanava. Veldanava could not endure the loneliness of being the "All-One."

Therefore, in order to dispel boredom, he brought forth the world. In that process, younger siblings who share the same origin as Veldanava, the "Dragon Species", were born. With the "Dragon Species" becoming four, the world, which had been chaotic, became stable. Order was set in place.
Translation by @RaikiKurohane99 in DMs
V23C5

And this is true because the God (Great Holy Spirit) still exists:

Laplace recalled the knowledge he had obtained beforehand, then let out a sigh as if fed up. The great cathedral is filled with the power of spirits, and calls forth the Great Holy Spirit.
Source
V6 Prologue

And people can pray to it as well as make a contract with it through a prayer:

Having lost both wisdom and intelligence, as a pitiful prey that does not even possess calm thinking ability.

Offer prayers to God. I desire and seek the holy spirit’s power. Hear and accept my wish. O all things, be exhausted/end! Spirit Particle Disintegration!!

With Hinata’s beautiful voice, that chant was offered to God. And then, the wish is granted. Truly, that power like that of a god.
Source
V5C3

Impossible!? If that is true, it rivals the Holy Magic secretly kept by the Western Holy Church, you know? Is it not the Holy Magic: Part Regeneration, which can be performed through a contract with the Holy Spirit!! That magic is a miracle of God that only a limited number of those at bishop rank or higher can handle, you know!?
Source
V6C4

There are also characters blessed by the Holy Spirit:

That really startled me. It was a light spirit that could be called my confidant, but it quickly grew attached to Leon chan. Just like that, it acknowledged Leon chan as its master and promptly dwelled within his body.

And so, having no other choice, it seems they recognized Leon as a Hero and granted him the protection of the Holy Spirit.

Wait a second. Why is the one who was recognized as a Hero becoming a Demon Lord?
Source
V4C6

Also, Ivarage and Veldanava are akin to Yin-Yang, and then there's Taiji (Supreme Ultimate).

After all, Luvelage, being completely off guard, was struck by a slash from below released from outside his awareness, and ended up letting go of the jewel he had been gripping between both hands. That jewel it had a shape resembling the Yin-Yang Taijitu, like a combination of white and black magatama. Since it is spherical, its appearance likely changes depending on the angle, but it is a beautiful jewel with a mysterious charm. That jewel danced in the air and was gulped down by a small dragon that came flying.
Source
V23C5

ヴェルダナーヴァはもう、寂しくなかった。心が満たされていた。イヴァラージェから力を吸収され続けていたが、それでも何も感じない。陰と陽。ルシアと手を取り合うようにして、小さく小さく丸まっていく……。

Veldanava was no longer lonely. His heart was fulfilled. He continued to have his power absorbed by Ivarage, but even so, he felt nothing. Yin and Yang. As if joining hands with Lucia, he curled up smaller and smaller...
Translation by @RaikiKurohane99 in DMs
V23C5

As we all know, the Yin-Yang is born from Taiji, but is not Taiji itself. Taiji is undifferentiated whereas Yin-Yang is not

Different Concepts of All-One

Spoiler: The "All-One" does not refer to one single concept

Well, yes, as Velgrynd said, there's not a single fixed concept of "God"

It was a grave disappointment for Gensei, but thanks to that, Velgrynd now had the information she wanted. Gensei’s Hakkasen was a secret art, one passed down only through the main branch of his sword style; it had never been taught to Kondo. Doubtlessly it was at the very top of this world when it came to almighty force. In terms of the muscle behind it, Hakkasen let its practitioner surpass kiryu and make it to the shinbutsu rank.

“You truly are a god, then…?”

“Well, it was my brother who created my world…but no, I am not.”

“Oh… We could certainly call that a god here, you understand.”

“Yes, the term ‘god’ can be interpreted in different ways, depending on the time and place. You can think of me as whatever you like, but I will remind you that there are forces out there who could even destroy me.”

Velgrynd recalled that happy-go-lucky slime. Losing to him still annoyed her, but she was no longer convinced that a rematch would do any better.

(But I certainly can’t think of Rimuru as a “god,” either. Perhaps the correct way to think about it is that such things don’t exist…?)
OTL V17C2
________
It was too late to put it to rest with words like ‘ability gap.’ There was an insurmountable gap between Gensei and Velgrynd, between heaven and earth, or even more so. This result made it clear. Thus, in exchange for Gensei’s disappointment, Velgrynd had obtained the correct information. Gensei’s Eight Flowers, an art that had been passed down only to the original family, had never been taught to Kondou. There is no doubt that it is the greatest and most powerful weapon in this world. Therefore, it was thought that just by looking at the amount of power it possessed, it could surpass the Mythical/Dragon class and even reach the divine God/Buddha class.

“Are you really a god?”

“Although it was my brother who created the world, he’s not a god.”

“Well…in our perception, we call it a god.”

“The concept of God is one that is perceived differently at different times and places. I don’t care what you think, but you have to remember that there are some beings that can destroy me…”

Velgrynd was reminded of a laid-back slime. It’s annoying to think that she lost to that thing, but there’s no doubt in beer mind that she wouldn’t win another fight.

(That doesn’t make Rimuru a god, does it? I guess the bottom line is that his category doesn’t exist, right?)
Slimereader

And the same applies here. Essentially, the "All-One" that birthed Ivarage and Veldanava refers to Taiji

After all, Luvelage, being completely off guard, was struck by a slash from below released from outside his awareness, and ended up letting go of the jewel he had been gripping between both hands. That jewel it had a shape resembling the Yin-Yang Taijitu, like a combination of white and black magatama. Since it is spherical, its appearance likely changes depending on the angle, but it is a beautiful jewel with a mysterious charm. That jewel danced in the air and was gulped down by a small dragon that came flying.
Source
V23C5

It's also a sort of "Perfection/Completeness":

Hahaha, you see, that’s because I am not something like omniscient and omnipotent. When I was born, only my will existed. At that time, I was fulfilled, and there was not a single thing lacking. Perfect and flawless, “All-one” in other words, it was a world where only I existed. That kind of thing is boring, isn’t it?

I see, Guy thought. Because it was Guy, he was able to understand. In other words, Veldanava had discarded omniscience and omnipotence by his own will.


(Well, of course. Being able to foresee every single result would be unbearably boring.)
Sourcehttps://vsbattles.com/threads/official-translation-requests-thread-new-forum.107531/post-7550774
V16E

Veldora also refers to this in the beginning (Volume 1 Chapter 1) as Individual-ness and Perfection/Completeness:

Hmm. Actually, I have no need for a core… keep it secret, alright? I am an individual and complete being. A special solid being. Since I am a conscious life form, I have no attachment to this physical body. I merely took on this body in response to the surrounding faith.
Source
V1C1

As for the reason I have no reproductive capability… it is because it is unnecessary. I am an individual and complete being, and one of the Dragon Species of which only four exist. The Storm Dragon Veldora that is me!I possess neither lifespan nor physical body. I am a mass of magicules, and as long as I have will, I am immortal!!!
Source
V1C1

Now, this 'thing' is described as "slumbering" in the world of "Death", a world without beginning, life and limits/end.

Luvelage thinks.

What is called contradiction…?

What first existed was a world of “death” without end. However the “beginning” called “life” also did not exist in that world. There was neither excess nor deficiency it was filled with tranquility.

Fearing change, it was dozing as if dreaming. Amidst that, one half leapt out toward freedom with courage in its chest.

And for the first time, it came to know something called loneliness. Just as Veldanava was so, the still unnamed Ivaraje also came to feel loneliness.

If one returns to omniscience and omnipotence, all change ceases to exist. If one cries out that they dislike that, then one must carve open the path oneself.

Veldanava sought a new world, new companions. In contrast to that, Ivaraje, lacking the courage to obtain wisdom and emotion, chose the path of feeling nothing.

And thus, after the passage of tens of billions of years
God became one once again. And yet, why is it not the “All-one”?

There are likely many factors, but Rimuru’s words are probably correct after all. In the end, there are multiple ways of thinking. All of them were correct, and yet also incorrect.
Source
V23C5

Note that "Death" means Emptiness. it's the destination that all Souls eventually returns to once they exhaust themselves/can no longer maintain its form:

If a person dies, the soul disperses, and then disappears. It may go around reincarnation, or in the underworld receive torment from the demon race (Demons), and there are also those who become a Buddha in other words, "sublimate." What can be said in common is that if the soul can no longer maintain its form, that is death, and it reaches nothingnes.

.…So?

So I thought. About the definition of death, and about eternal life. We are long lived species, you know? To begin with, we have lifespans equal to infinity, so there is no need to worry about eternal life, is there?
Source
V23C2

Michael on the other hand has his own concept of "All-One" (Omnipotent and Omniscient), in that he believed that the unity of all angelic skills would lead to Omnipotence and Omniscience. Though this was wrong, and even Feldway was spectical on it:

After inheriting Michael’s powers, Feldway was able to detect and perceive angelic-type ultimate skills…but the collection of those angelic skills was Michael’s personal mission, not Feldway’s. As Michael himself was a conscious will housed inside a skill, he felt he could reach an all-powerful state by consolidating all the other skills into a single whole. This, the theory went, would allow him to become an omniscient, omnipotent Creator.

Although this logic seemed to make sense on the surface, Feldway was skeptical. For one, Veldanava was neither omniscient nor omnipotent. He himself said he had renounced those abilities, and there was no room to doubt those words.
OTL V20C2
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It had been Michael, not Feldway, who was obsessed about collecting angelic powers. Since he had been the will that resided in the powers, he thought that consolidating all the other powers into one would lead to the all-powerful. All-powerful—in other words, the return of the omniscient and omnipotent Creator.

The theory seemed logical, but Feldway was skeptical. The reason was that Veldanava was not omniscient and omnipotent. In the first place, since Veldanava himself had said that he renounced his omniscience and omnipotence, there was no room to doubt his words.
Slimereader

Other Angels also thought so:

The words of a god must be conveyed correctly, without alteration, and it was up to the individual to interpret them. If those in positions of influence proceed based on incorrect interpretations, the masses who follow them will also suffer…and there lies the difficulty in using words to try to understand matters. The god in this case was Veldanava, and with his closest associate Feldway in this state, it was clear to Zarario just how difficult a task it was to lead humanity. The mere thought made him feel faint. However:

Lord Veldanava isn’t omnipotent in the first place. He himself said he can make mistakes. It’s only natural we, his creations, also make them. Zarario was convinced of this. And that was a useful tenet to consult as he mulled over how to consul Feldway from this point on.
OTL V22C2

Dagruel also had his own concept of "Omnipotence", that being something that births all Skills:

“So you think he’s trying to collect only Veldanava’s genuine skills, and that’ll let him create the ‘complete’ Veldanava? This omnipotent being who’s created all abilities? It’s a pretty big concept to grasp, but if that’s what Michael wishes for, he’s probably not gonna get it. As long as Leon’s on our side, there’s no way he’ll get all the needed abilities.”
OTL V18C1

「完全なるヴェルダナーヴァ ──つまりは、全ての権能を生み 出した全能の存在を再現する為 に、純正の権能を集めようって か。気の遠くなるような話だが、 だとするとその願いは叶いそうに ねーな。こっちにレオンがいる以 上、ヤツ等が全ての権能を集める のは不可能だからな」

“A complete/perfect Veldanava so, in other words, to recreate an omnipotent being that produced all authorities (powers), they’re trying to gather pure authorities, huh. It’s a mind numbing story, but if that’s the case, then that wish doesn’t seem like it’ll come true. As long as Leon is on our side, it’s impossible for those guys to gather all the authorities.”
Translation by @RaikiKurohane99 in DMs

Now what's the other concept of "All-One"?
Well, it's Diablo's, Zegion's (and EoS Rimuru's) understanding of it. I'll let you guys do the reading first:

時間とは、完全(むげん)から虚無(ゼロ)へと集束する現象であり、その到達点は“全なる一”というのが私の見解。
Time is a phenomenon that converges from Perfection (Infinity) to Nothingness (Zero), and its destination is what I consider to be "All One".
Confirmed by @RaikiKurohane99 in DMs
Diablo's Interview

So its a state where the difference between Perfection and Emptiness, Infinity and Zero, is no longer there. The end of the process of convergence (Time) between them both. Which is supported by Zegion's statement:

Laughable. To cancel out waves is also a wave. If so, then all that is needed is to envelop it. Know that becoming identical without resisting the flow is the truth of this universe. Since illusion converges into the profound, for me, discerning your vibration is an easy matter.
Source
V21C4

Keyword: Flow, truth/true principle, synonym with this thing. And all Illusions return to it.

Proposals​

Here's the summary of the what I want to be added/changed:

• Veldanava's God key is removed from his own profile and made as its own profile.
• The mention of "All-One" is removed from its profile descriptions and replaced by "God" or "Infinity" since that's what its uniquely called, as compared to the term "All-One" which holds many meanings.

Notes:

• No new ability or tier is being added or removed in this CRT. All ratings remain the same.
• Do not try to argue for removal or addition of different abilities, and instead create another CRT for it after its over if you wish so.

Votes​

Agree: Elizhaa , SomebodyData , Random-Helper323

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Agree as usual (⁠＾⁠3⁠＾⁠♪

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

Agree

 

[Cipher72]

Agree

Lmao bro forgot to switch to his third sock @Astral_Trinity439 quick switch

 

[Hecky2222]

Lmao bro forgot to switch to his third sock @Astral_Trinity439 quick switch

Didn't even call future, what a disappointment

 

[Humanitus_Primevilus888]

Looks fine to me

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Agree

 

[RaspberriesRasputin]

Agreeed

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

Agree

 

[Mido02]

Agree

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Lmao bro forgot to switch to his third sock @Astral_Trinity439 quick switch

Na that's @Astral_void4

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Na that's @Astral_void4

My man, you even voted on your own CRT... That's a new low even for a proxy.

 

[Cipher72]

Na that's @Astral_void4

Yea that's what I am saying, should have switched.

 

[Noobish2006]

Should it not be a tf for all td since they are avatars of the holy spirit

 

[Re5yh]

Following and agree

 

[MetaChronos]

Simple enough. Agree

 

[Ultimuru]

Simple enough. Neutral

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I will say, I disagree with classifying all true dragons as "avatars", sure, they have the same origin as such, but that does not make them avatars...

 

[Hecky2222]

Simple enough. Agree

Simple enough. Neutral

Simple enough. Disagree

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Here's the draft for the new "God" profile btw:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Astral_Trinity439/Infinity

I added 3 points in the Attacks/Techniques section (cuz why empty heh) and changed mentions of Great Spirits with Attributes based on one of the previous threads differentiating the two.

The "abilities from all true dragons" is cuz all of them are its avatars as explained by Ciel:

Rather than dividing into two, Veldanava abandoned his own self (All-One) to be born (manifest)
This means Veldanava + Ivarage =/= All-One. Then there's the problem of if this "All-One" still exists. Well it does, because even after Veldanava and Ivarage split (which should theoretically make the All-One not exist anymore), other True Dragons were still born, sharing the same origin. That last part is important because it shows that the "All-One" never divided, it simply manifests in different forms:

Veldora also refers to this in the beginning (Volume 1 Chapter 1) as Individual-ness and Perfection/Completeness:

And also this scan which I'll get translated later:

四体の〝竜種〟その最初の一体が、大 地にて人間と子を生した存在。 不思議な事に人間と交わった〝竜種〟 は、その大半の力を子に奪われてしまっ た。それ以来、〝竜種〟が人と子を生す行 為は禁忌タブー視されているようだ。 力を失ったその〝竜種〟は、その身を 分散させて大地にて受肉を果たし、竜族ド ラゴンの始祖となった。 その事から、〝自然聖霊の意思的存 在〟は〝竜種〟と呼ばれるようになったの だ。

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

I will say, I disagree with classifying all true dragons as "avatars", sure, they have the same origin as such, but that does not make them avatars...

Can you define "Avatars" for your case?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Simple enough. Agree

Simple enough. Neutral

Simple enough. Disagree

The 3 hoursemen of this CRT

 

[Hecky2222]

The 3 hoursemen of this CRT

we need fourth one

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Can you define "Avatars" for your case?

My interpretation of "avatar" is a being that is a direct "manifestation" of a higher being. and most importantly, acting upon their "will".

 

[Ultimuru]

My interpretation of "avatar" is a being that is a direct "manifestation" of a higher being. and most importantly, acting upon their "will".

Avatar The Last Airbender would disagree with you

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

My interpretation of "avatar" is a being that is a direct "manifestation" of a higher being. and most importantly, acting upon their "will".

You do know, God has no active will...

Lonely. Regretful. Unforgivable.

There was once a time when it was the flawless and perfect “All-one.”

It was fulfilled. Ivarage, who had neither intellect, nor sensibility, nor even emotion,did not feel anxiety or dissatisfaction, and did not even feel boredom. And yet half of the body was lost.

The dreamlike sense of omnipotence disappeared, and it was exposed to a reality whose future could not be seen.
Source
V22 Prologue

Wills are born from it, and those wills manifest in the form of true dragons. That is literally why true dragons are "will bearing existences of the holy spirit of Nature", alternatively put, wills born from the Holy Spirit, representing it.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

You do know, God has no active will...

Yeah, that is why we need to put an extra weight on narrative, Ivarage and Veldanava are explicitly shown to be "two halves of All in one", while the True dragons don't even have a candle of that kinda evididence, at best they have "supporting evidence". Not to mention how that would go against that entire plot....

 

[TheHuntsman1001]

Following

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Yeah, that is why we need to put an extra weight on narrative, Ivarage and Veldanava are explicitly shown to be "two halves of All in one",

They are not "two halves of the All One", they're two halves of the Will born from God.

That is the same as all other true dragons.

Not to mention how that would go against that entire plot....

No? Where are you pulling this from bruh

 

[Lycoris4812]

Here's the draft for the new "God" profile btw:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Astral_Trinity439/Infinity

I added 3 points in the Attacks/Techniques section (cuz why empty heh) and changed mentions of Great Spirits with Attributes based on one of the previous threads differentiating the two.

The "abilities from all true dragons" is cuz all of them are its avatars as explained by Ciel:



And also this scan which I'll get translated later:

You should update the explanations with better scans and such. I'm pretty sure we got some vol 22 and 23 scans translated about god.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Here's the draft for the new "God" profile btw:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Astral_Trinity439/Infinity

Bro is a goku victim (I agree)

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

we need fourth one

Done

 

[Mizuki67]

Here's the draft for the new "God" profile btw:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Astral_Trinity439/Infinity

I added 3 points in the Attacks/Techniques section (cuz why empty heh) and changed mentions of Great Spirits with Attributes based on one of the previous threads differentiating the two.

The "abilities from all true dragons" is cuz all of them are its avatars as explained by Ciel:



And also this scan which I'll get translated later:

How tf is god still Limited NEP 1 . I am losing faith in this wiki

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

How tf is god still Limited NEP 1 . I am losing faith in this wiki

The nep2 thread is ongoing so when that finishes it'll get updated

 

[Hecky2222]

The nep2 thread is ongoing so when that finishes it'll get updated

It means after 103839490192849101 business days btw

 

[sukuna171]

Here's the draft for the new "God" profile btw:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Astral_Trinity439/Infinity

I added 3 points in the Attacks/Techniques section (cuz why empty heh) and changed mentions of Great Spirits with Attributes based on one of the previous threads differentiating the two.

The "abilities from all true dragons" is cuz all of them are its avatars as explained by Ciel:



And also this scan which I'll get translated later:

I’m not the most knowledgeable about Slime, but from what I understand, God should have Nep 1 outright instead of being limited.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Now, Ivarage said she was once the "All-One" in Volume 22 Chapter 1

And Veldanava also said he "gave away" his Omnipotence and Omniscience (All-One) many times:
This means that theoretically, the merge of Ivarage and Veldanava is the All-One, right? But no, this is wrong because it was corrected later in the last Volume. In Volume 23 Chapter 5, at the end of the fight between Luvelage (Veldanava + Ivarage + Lucia), it was said (and confirmed) that the Veldanava was never the All-One, and neither is Ivarage or Luvelage (Fusion):

No, the two of them were the all in one but cannot return to that state simply by merging. All the scans point to them being God and the reason why why they cannot return to being God is given directly.

“Don’t be ridiculous! I’m no longer alone! I reclaimed Veldanava and became one with him. I’ve become omniscient and omnipotent!!”

Good grief. Luvelage is so utterly ignorant that all I can do is laugh.
He absorbed Veldanava and even went so far as to give himself a “name,” trying to return to the state of the “All-One,” yet in the end, he failed to attain omniscience and omnipotence.

Well, that was only to be expected. After all, your very existence itself is a contradiction.

The “All-One” exists precisely because it lacks contradictions, yet Veldanava possessed far too many of them. Having absorbed and integrated such a being, there was no possible way for Luvelage to return to the “All-One.”

«That is the truth.»

Right? It’s logic simple enough that even a child could understand it.

God became one once again. And yet, why is it not the “All-one”?

I disagree. The profiles can be split but doing so the basis that Veldanava and co. aren't God is incorrect

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

No, the two of them were the all in one but cannot return to that state simply by merging. All the scans point to them being God and the reason why why they cannot return to being God is given directly.



I disagree. The profiles can be split but doing so the basis that Veldanava and co. aren't God is incorrect

God (as in union of Velda and Ivarage), God (Great Holy Spirit) and God (Union of Ivarage and Velda) aren't the same thing, the OP makes that distinction clear with the World of Death scans and True dragons scans among others.

The new profile from profile separation is for Great Holy Spirit (called GHS after this), not the "unified God". Quoting from OP:

This means Veldanava + Ivarage =/= All-One. Then there's the problem of if this "All-One" still exists. Well it does, because even after Veldanava and Ivarage split (which should theoretically make the All-One not exist anymore), other True Dragons were still born, sharing the same origin. That last part is important because it shows that the "All-One" never divided, it simply manifests in different forms:

世界は残酷だが、全てを与えてくれる。
　それが、ヴェルダナーヴァの創造した世界だ。
　ヴェルダナーヴァは、〝全なる一〟──その孤独に耐えかねた。
　だからこそ、退屈を紛らわせる為に世界を生み出した。その過程で、ヴェルダナーヴァと根源を同一とする 妹弟達──〝竜種〟が誕生する。
〝竜種〟が四体となった事で、混沌としていた世界が安定した。秩序が整ったのだ。

The world is cruel, but it gives everything. That is the world created by Veldanava. Veldanava could not endure the loneliness of being the "All-One."

Therefore, in order to dispel boredom, he brought forth the world. In that process, younger siblings who share the same origin as Veldanava, the "Dragon Species", were born. With the "Dragon Species" becoming four, the world, which had been chaotic, became stable. Order was set in place.
Translation by @RaikiKurohane99 in DMs
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Velda and Ivarage were (per other scans in OP) wills born from the slumbering God inside the World of Death. They were one will before but later divided, and then manifested. After them and some other events, other wills were born of the same origin in the form of other true dragons (which wouldn't happen if God has divided into Velda and Ivarage)

Also, I suggest including which concept of All One you're referring to, cuz as highlighted in the OP there are multiple.

 

[Mizuki67]

No, the two of them were the all in one but cannot return to that state simply by merging. All the scans point to them being God and the reason why why they cannot return to being God is given directly.



I disagree. The profiles can be split but doing so the basis that Veldanava and co. aren't God is incorrect

God literally has no will of its own and Veldanava just so happen to be the byproduct of it. OMG Idk what is so hard to understand

 

[PrimeHydra64]

I agree with separation but I'll be neutral on everything else.

And you should get the part where true dragons are greatest masterpieces of the creator god from vacation spin off.