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Okay, I am very sorry for being really slow to the uptake also it never occured to me that they were the same mirrors so, I'm okay with the changes.
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It's no big deal.Okay, I am very sorry for being really slow to the uptake
So what you're saying is that when these portals are overused, the link weakens and that causes dimensional instability which ultimately results in universes getting merged? Is that correct?The link only begins linking the Universes themselves when the portal is overused, causing the link to weaken and become unstable.
Since the link is linking two parts of two Universes, it initially starts out with the two objects. In this case a mirror and a statue through which can be traveled. Once it becomes unstable the link loses control of itself and starts to link the Universes themselves. In other words: It begins breaking down dimensional walls keeping them separate.So what you're saying is that when these portals are overused, the link weakens and that causes dimensional instability which ultimately results in universes getting merged? Is that correct?
Actually no. In this instance, he is just using his magic to link the universes and the mirrors to work as portals. That means nothing in terms of the durability of the mirror.For instance, if Starswirl possesses infinite energy and power, and is clearly capable of High 3-A feats such as destroying an infinitely sized 3-D space, then the mirror portal is, in and of itself, also High 3-A.
For this point, the mirror portal shattering causes the link to weaken from what Light said earlier. Which means the universes are merging on their own due to instability caused by the weakening link. That doesn't mean the link or the energy of the link is what's actively causing those universes to merge. It means exactly the opposite, otherwise the energy of the link would have merged the universes long ago.The inverse is also true assuming the mirror portal shattering would destroy an entire timeline, Low 2-C feat, or cause two whole universes to fuse together, 2-C feat, which is what is happening
Can you provide citation for this? Because that is not what it looks like according to what Light has been saying throughout the thread.the magical spell that Star Swirl used is what's destroying the two universes
I've repeated myself over and over again that we aren't scaling them to the mirror's durability. What we're trying to do is scale him to powering the portal and the link it creates.Actually no. In this instance, he is just using his magic to link the universes and the mirrors to work as portals. That means nothing in terms of the durability of the mirror.
I do not recall ÆONS saying this in his comment.Yeah and that was not a response to you. That was a response to that point being brought up again.
It means the link is losing control of itself due to instability and forcibly connecting two entire universes instead of two objects within them. The link is clearly the cause of the near-fusion.For this point, the mirror portal shattering causes the link to weaken from what Light said earlier. Which means the universes are merging on their own due to instability caused by the weakening link. That doesn't mean the link or the energy of the link is what's actively causing those universes to merge. It means exactly the opposite, otherwise the energy of the link would have merged the universes long ago.
Give me a minute or two to dig it upI'm gonna need citation for this. Can you post the relevant scan please?
I do not remember saying this. I said that the link became weakened and unstable as Celestia and Star Swirl continued to use it. After overusing the portal, the link became unstable and started connecting the Universes further and further, with each use of the portal further destabilizing the link and in turn making the linking worse. Meanwhile, breaking the mirror completely caused it to begin completely and totally merging the Universes into one.Because in the entire thread you were saying that the mirror breaking caused the link to weaken. Now you're saying that the link became unstable and forcibly merged two universes.
Just give me a moment or more to find the scan he asked for. My mind is focused on dozens of other things besides this thread.Hmm, it does sound more like a raw power feat than a chain reaction when you put it like that, but as AKM sama said, we preferably need explicit evidence.
I meant evidence for that there was not just a destabilising chain reaction effect merging the universes, but rather magical energy infused into the mirrors by Starswirl that actively forced the universes to merge into one whole.Ok, this should be the scan. Star Swirl says his enchantment works by linking two items across dimensions. This is how the mirror portals are made to travel to other realities.
That was in response to AKM sama asking me to provide citation for the spell working the way I said it did.I meant evidence for that there was not just a destabilising chain reaction effect merging the universes, but rather magical energy infused into the mirrors by Starswirl that actively forced the universes to merge into one whole.
I already acknowledged the point this is responding to as incorrect and that it should have been disregarded, so I won't respond to this.AKM Sama: Actually no. In this instance, he is just using his magic to link the universes and the mirrors to work as portals. That means nothing in terms of the durability of the mirror.
Refer to Light's and Amelia's responses.For this point, the mirror portal shattering causes the link to weaken from what Light said earlier. Which means the universes are merging on their own due to instability caused by the weakening link. That doesn't mean the link or the energy of the link is what's actively causing those universes to merge. It means exactly the opposite, otherwise the energy of the link would have merged the universes long ago.
Is it stated anywhere that the energy of this link is actively merging the universes? Because without it, there is no way weakening of a link that results in two universes merging together can be scaled back to the AP.
I thought that's what you were asking for. Ok, then, which part specifically did you want me to confirm since I don't entirely know?That scan is already in the OP. That's not what I asked for.
This part specifically.It means the link is losing control of itself due to instability and forcibly connecting two entire universes
Forcibly connecting the Universes? If that's what you're asking, then I posted a link to the Universes becoming connected with each other in my 5th comment.This part specifically.
I cannot respond to everything AKM sama and you have to say at once, and I would much rather respond to AKM sama's concerns first before I address the rest. Multitasking is not my strong suit, particularly when debating with multiple people.I would appreciate if you try to respond to my last comments as well, including by providing evidence.
I don't believe it was explicitly said to be. There wasn't too much mentioned other than using the mirror over and over caused the linking of the Universes. So in light of that, we; that is to say the Discord group I'm in, reached the conclusion that the link becoming unstable was the cause of the link and near merging based on the information we saw in Reflections (The name of the arc in which the Universes almost fuse), Legends of Magic, and the Equestria Girls series. We took what we saw and reached a logical conclusion that was both certain and made the most sense based on the information provided.
This was the scan in the 5th comment. It only tells us that overuse of the mirror was causing the universes to be connected together. It doesn't tell us whether it was because of the link being weakened due to overuse, or because of Star Swirl's link forcibly connecting those two universes.
So yeah, if nothing of that sort is mentioned, that conclusion is purely headcanon. If the only thing mentioned as the reason for universes getting merged is the overuse of mirror, I'd argue it is far more logical to just chalk it up to dimensional instability caused by it, and it can't be scaled back to whatever power was used in creating the link, hence unquantifiable. And that would be a far safer conclusion too. Saying the link forcibly and actively used its energy to merge the universe, in the given context, has no basis whatsoever and is clearly the absolute highest interpretation/assumption you can make.I don't believe it was explicitly said to be. There wasn't too much mentioned other than using the mirror over and over caused the linking of the Universes.
Yeah, I'm in the same boat.After reading the arguments, I suppose Lightbuster makes sense, it is indeed Starswirl's own magic performing the feat so I'm fine with possibly 2-C.
I'm honestly going to have to get back to this tomorrow. It's too late where I'm at to bother with a proper argument right now. I'll do it tomorrow when I can better think and not tired.So yeah, if nothing of that sort is mentioned, that conclusion is purely headcanon. If the only thing mentioned as the reason for universes getting merged is the overuse of mirror, I'd argue it is far more logical to just chalk it up to dimensional instability caused by it, and it can't be scaled back to whatever power was used in creating the link, hence unquantifiable. And that would be a far safer conclusion too. Saying the link forcibly and actively used its energy to merge the universe, in the given context, has no basis whatsoever and is clearly the absolute highest interpretation/assumption you can make.
Sure. And in this case, that is linking the two universes. I never argued against it.All magic stuff is done through the users own power
If that's the case, it should be painfully easy to just show the scan where it states what you're saying. Show me a scan where it says the universes are being merged directly because of Star Swirl's magical power. It's not a big ask, seriously. You're supposed to be a knowledgeable member and I am asking for the scan since forever. Yet all you can come up with is your own interpretation of how it is supposed to work without showing anything to back it up.the dimension being merged is done by Starswirls power, that's how it's always been portrayed with no real inconsistencies
Uhh no reason to throw shade around. You're accusing me of blindly agreeing with something when I never agreed to anything in this thread. And I'd argue that having a neutral user who doesn't know much about the verse can be a good thing because that user might ask the relevant questions and for relevant scans to cover all bases so that there is no confusion left for the future. It's obviously better than having only supporters of the verse in a thread who will just FRA to the absolute highest assumptions to push for exaggerated ratings. And that is one of the practices that has been turning the wiki full of wonky ratings when it comes to such verses. And it's not me saying that about this thread specifically, just saying in general.No offense to anyone, but this is why summoning someone who doesn't know squat about the verse is a very bad thing, it either causes blind agreements, or causes repetitive arguments. Everyone here who is aware of the verse and its mechanics are okay with the changes, but the one person who isn't well-versed in it, isn't. Why is their opinion suddenly worth more then everyone else's?