My Little Pony upgrades

[Lightbuster30]

In a new episode Rockhoof reportedly tossed an Ursa Major so high that it turned into a constellation https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ogzF-3Yfvjc 19:48 any thoughts my friends? To put into context, this is Rockhoog telling a story about a fight he had with one.

To my knowkedge there are 7 major stars in the Ursa Major. Long story short, I looked up the mass and radius of each star, found the binding energy for each, and got 1313.01332529 tenatons. However, there were more than 10 stars shining as Rockhoof pointed at them, so maybe it can be higher? The question is: is this legit, and who scales if it does?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Probably just another high 4-C feat

 

[Js250476]

A friend and I were talking about this last night and we were pretty uncertain if this was just a tall tale from Rockhoof or if this actually happened and became a legend

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

The "or so I'm told" part makes it sound more like good-natured hyperbole, but defeating an Ursa Minor Major in of itself is a pretty impressive feat.

Edit: Major, not Minor

 

[Js250476]

Major but yeah

That's the part that made me think he could have been trying to make the story exciting for the ponies

But you could also argue that did actually happen and eventually become a legend and somepony informed him about it I guess

Also the episode implied Twilight doesn't need the EOH for a Petrification spell so I think she needs a new ability

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

On the subject of MLP upgrades, did anything happen with the Pinkie Pie Earthquake calc? It would help solidify character ratings at least.

 

[Js250476]

AFAIK it hasn't been discussed yet we could bring it here if you want

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

For the sake of not overloading the site with pony threads, sure if Light is okay with it.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

On the subject of MLP upgrades, did anything happen with the Pinkie Pie Earthquake calc? It would help solidify character ratings at least.

Oh shit I forgot we never solidified that.

 

[Js250476]

Bump

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

On the topic of the earthquake calc, did we ever even decide on a result to use for that, either?

I'm pretty sure part of the reason this was made in the first place was to potentially replace the current ratings, which Assalt took issue with, before he left. Pretty sure I can at least partially see why, as well as have some reasons of my own.

This seems...kinda important.

 

[Antvasima]

Does anybody have a link to that calculation? Also, what were Assalt's objections?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

@Ant

Which one? The Pinkie Pie one we're discussing? Or the one currently used for their pages? The Pinkie Pie one is here. It currently has seven results done mostly as hypotheticals and we haven't fully delved into which one to use.

As for Assalt's issues with the current calc, iirc, the timeframe is off, an absolutely ridiculous distance is assumed for the horizon, and a large chunk of the sky is not covered in clouds, which the calc ignores.

Before rechecking the calc, he also pointed out that it would be an extreme outlier, which I can understand, at this point. Ignoring top tiers, the calc is ludicrously above most other things calced within the verse (with the exception of certain other calcs' extreme high-ends), including those meant to be greatly impressive in-universe.

An issue that I can see with the feat, even ignoring all of this, is that it was accomplished by a huge group of at least several dozen pegasi, not even one/a few characters. FiM has kinda pushed the whole "far stronger in groups" thing since the very beginning of the show, which seems more like the purpose of the scene as a whole than dividing it all equally and saying "fodder ponies are casually this strong".

 

[Antvasima]

The earthquake calculation that you mentioned earlier.

If there are several different results, you can ask the currently active calc group members to evaluate the blog if you wish. Possibly DontTalkDT as well, in case he is interested.

This does not answer whether or not it is an outlier though.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

@Ant

Sure, though there are a few issues with the earthquake calc we haven't even discussed yet, such as the fact that because the entire thing is basically accomplished via toonforce, it's hard to apply actual physics to it, because the feat involves the background cartoonishly bending before snapping back into place.

A lot of feats in the show are...kinda hard to place, because of this.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Darkanine is probably better suited than me to help you out in that case.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I will also point out though that we do have accepted and currently uncontested feats to fall back on that are in a relatively consistent range.

Rarity causes a storm, which is Small City level. Could be used to scale to the Mane 6 (I'm pretty sure it was, before).

Maud's boulder nuke is Large Town level, which isn't too far removed from Rarity's feat.

Rainbow Dash's Sonic Rainboom was accepted at "At least City level, likely Mountain level" before, which even as a special technique, isn't entirely out of sync with other feats by similar characters.

This is just to say that finding a relatively reliable tier may not be as hard as it seems, even when some calcs don't work out.

 

[Antvasima]

That seems useful in case the other calculations are deemed unreliable, yes.

 

[Lightbuster30]

So do we give them city level, likely mountain level?

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

I think the City level end for the Pinkie Pie calc is the safest end. At least '''City level''' is fine by me.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I think the City level end for the Pinkie Pie calc is the safest end. At least City level is fine by me.

If we go with City level and then just couple that with the Sonic Rainboom, then yeah, "At least City level" is probably fine.

Considering the lower end of the same height as well as the Rarity feat, I also think something like "At least Small City level, likely City level" could work, as well.

But regardless of what exactly we use, that general area seems pretty consistent, all things considered.

 

[Antvasima]

If the two of you are fine with using those statistics, I am as well.

 

[Lightbuster30]

So where are we placing the Sonic Rainboom again?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

So where are we placing the Sonic Rainboom again?

Low-low end, with the low-high end also being considered.

At this point, I honestly think the "At least Small City level, likely City level" is probably most safe. "Small City level" from Rarity's feat with "City level" from the low end of the Sonic Rainboom and Pinkie's feat. Pinkie's feat is a bit...odd, but could be used to support both these ends, technically. "At least City level" or "Likely City level" are also probably fine, but I think the first option is probably best considering circumstances.

 

[Antvasima]

I am fine with Azathoth's suggestions.

 

[Lightbuster30]

Low-low end, with the low-high end also being considered.

At least City Level sounds good since she was just a filly. She would naturally be far higher to an unquantifiable degree as an adult. I'd even argue for 7-C+ since Rainbow would at least double in weight from fillyhood to adulthood. But hey, at least they won't be the weakest 7-Cs. Just give Low 7-C to people less strong than Rainbow since she is much stronger than low tiers like Rarity or Fluttershy.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

We should probably post a list of finalized tiers and adjust this, at some point.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. Agreed.