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My Little Pony Slight Tiering Revision

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Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot

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So currently, quite a lot of main characters are scaled to this. However, an issue I noticed is that we are likely inflating results by assuming the size of the cloud instead of scaling the size of the hive. In an earlier scene, we get this shot of the hive, which shows us multiple changelings buzzing around it. We then get another, closer shot that shows even the changelings flying near the hive's peak are still visible from its base.

Basically, it would likely be better to do a quick recalc which scales the size of the tower directly (and thus the size of the cloud dissipated from that) as opposed to starting with an assumed size for the cloud.
 
Okay. I would also appreciate help from the calc group with this.
 
@Matt

That could be good, though it might be a bit hard, as the clouds are the small clouds the show often uses (the ones a bit bigger than the weather ponies interacting with them). Still, Rarity's weather mess-ups were affecting most of the town, so it's clearly still be somewhere in Tier 7, regardless.
 
@Dark

I don't think the Sonic Rainboom scales to everyone. It's repeatedly treated as something extremely impressive and special. All the mane six would scale to Rarity, though.
 
But she still tanked the energy at the epicenter of it. Plus, the calc only calculates a small portion of the explosion, so the energy is still a low end.
 
Rainbow Dash did. No one else did. It has no affect on her when she does it, but characters like AJ and unicorn Twilight had to duck in cover when she was going to use it on the barn, despite the fact AJ herself was shown to be normally comparable (if not superior in some aspects) to Dash in strength.

RD even gets a mini "special form" and effects when she does the Sonic Rainboom, so it's definitely not her usual power level when flying/fighting normally.
 
I don't know how easily it could scale to the main cast, but the most recently aired episode does actually have a feat that I think could lead to some interesting scaling, were it accepted.

But, spoilerific, so I'm unsure if it should be discussed.
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
Wait, you mean Campfire Tales?
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Yes, I do. The feat occurs within one of the stories told in that episode. Also, I haven't read the related issue, but I believe the character who performs the feat may also appear in the comics.
 
Third story, I believe. It's possible that it may not yield a result above 7-A, but based on similar calculations I've seen -although, I'm no calc-ing expert, in my own humble opinion- it may yield 7-B or better. Not entirely certain, but somewhat confident.
 
Oh. Well, you were catching up on the series, AFAIK, Darkanine, & the episode was recently aired, but if spoilering is fine, okie doke.

Pardon the delay, please. Was finding video of the episode to double check the feat. Rewatching, it may not be as impressive as I previously thought.

Context: The sky had been heavily cloudy, & General Ironhoof, 4 other Pegasi, & Flash Magnus, another pegasus, under General Ironhoof, wanted to get past some dragons. Flash Magnus flies to distract them, managing to outspeed them, but more importantly....

According to Rainbow Dash's narrative, Flash Magnus couldn't keep it up, but luckily, General Ironhoof had a plan. He points to the sky, & cut to a large, formed, black thundercloud. Given the activity of some of the barely visible pegasi on-screen in the shot & another pegasi adding cloud to it in a closer-up shot, I'm lead to believe the general &/or these 4 soldier ponies of his created the storm cloud.

Regarding the size of the cloud, there were 2 pursuing dragons, & when it electrocutes them, their silhouettes are shown; The cloud could probably fit at least another 2 or 3 dragons of that size.

Shortly after, the dragons, quite burned, retreat. Flash Magnus also emerges -along with Metitus, a shield given to him by General Ironhoof specifically for this- which survived fire from those dragons, & presumably, also the cloud's lightning, based on it still being in-tact on Flash Magnus's body as well.

Fittingly, said shield is known as The Fireproof Shield, in-universe.

TL;DR:

Soldier pony Flash Magnus outflies dragons while carrying legendary fireproof shield "Metitus" which blocks dragonfire. Visual storytelling & RD's narration statement of General Ironhoof "having a plan" suggests he &/or his 4 accompanying troops created a big thundercloud. 2 dragons & Flash Magnus electrocuted, all 3 survive, considerably singed, but alive enough to fly.

The big thing is either the thundercloud creation & surviving it. But I dunno if it's high enough. It probably doesn't matter much towards AP, but the cloud didn't produce rain, either.

Thinking on it, probably the biggest problem, I assume, is we'd have to assume a timeframe or the stormcloud creation, if we were to get one at all. Admittedly, it'd probably be a very short one, since it was created by at least a couple of trained soldier pegasi who were trying to save their ally that was bravely acting as a decoy to dragons.

Anyway, should I post a video link? Or are you guys good on your own in that respect?
 
Oh, that happened in the comics too. The comics even show Flash dodging/outspeeding a bolt of lightning (kind of hard to tell). I'll just watch the episode myself and do it when im feeling better.
 
Oh. No offense, but did the comics also feature dragons & Flash Magnus surviving the lightning from the created stormcloud there, too? No offense. I honestly don't know. Also, I wonder if the comics version is worth calc-ing.
 
"Bravery in facing dragons". Implies defeating, but not entirely confident it's a statement that he did do so, IMHO. But thanks for the answer, nonetheless!
 
The comics are directly related to the episode, they've basically been confirmed canon as of recently with multiple direct references to them in Season 7 even outside the newest episode.
 
Unless the events are directly referenced within the show, we cannot use them. Sorry.

Just because some of it is used for inspiration, this does not mean that everything is automatically canon.
 
Antvasima said:
Unless the events are directly referenced within the show, we cannot use them. Sorry.
Just because some of it is used for inspiration, this does not mean that everything is automatically canon.
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I haven't read the related issue, but one of key characters is the same (Flash Magnus appears in both the comics & the cartoon.) & at a glance, it seems like a similar role.

However, I feel that I get what you mean in that the comic's story does not necessarily occur within the cartoons, nor vice versa; They are not interchangeable continuities & the 2 Flash Magnus may not share statistics, feats or the like.

With that in mind, if there are any affirmations that the comics are canon to the cartoons, they should be worth noting.

Although, other than maybe things like events that had only happened in the comics being confirmed as happening in the show via the contents of an episode, or confirmation of shared continuity by a creator, I doubt continuity would change.


Although, nonetheless, I doubt this invalidates Flash & company's feats this episode, does it?
 
From what I vaguely recall, one of the creators of the show responded that the tv show does not follow the comics as part of their continuity.
 
Antvasima said:
From what I vaguely recall, one of the creators of the show responded that the tv show does not follow the comics as part of their continuity.
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While it's totally fine if you don't want to, I would appreciate source on this, so it can be confirmed & referenced on profiles & in pages.

We should also make sure it isn't somehow out of date or hasn't been retconned in some way.
 
I have read an absolutely massive amount of forum threads at this point. I cannot cite every reference that people have posted here.
 
Sigh.

Using the same ideas does not automatically make everything in the comics canon to the show. That's not how it works. If events involving actual characters from a story or arc in the comics are directly referenced as having happened in the show, then that part is clearly canon.
 
Thank you for the reference Azathoth.
 
@Matt

I imagine that one would be relatively easy, too, as we can scale the hills in the back to the large trees on top and get solid distance.
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
Sigh.Using the same ideas does not automatically make everything in the comics canon to the show. That's not how it works. If events involving actual characters from a story or arc in the comics are directly referenced as having happened in the show, then that part is clearly canon.
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Thank you for that link & quote. Do we have that image link on the MLP page yet anywhere?

Also, while it's not too important to most of the stuff we're doing here so far, going by that quote, it seems somewhat like the cartoon is canon to the comics, or at least, there's some effort to keep it so, even if it isn't the other way around, & comics are not canon to the cartoon.

Pardon any bother from me, please, all.
 
@Imaginym

That is correct, yes. According to the editor, the comics try to follow the events of the show as closely as possible, but the show has no obligation to do the same for the comics, only adding ideas should they see fit.
 
It would probably be useful if you link to that image in a footnote explanation in the My Little Pony verse page.
 
Bump. This should be sorted out. The hive explosion feat should be recalced scaling from the hive, or at the very least, we should try and calc Rarity and Maud's feats, which scale to pretty much everyone of note (especially Rarity's).

Edit: It also probably isn't too difficult to find Ponyville's actual size from stuff like this.
 
Well, you can politely ask the calc group members to comment here via their message walls, if you wish.
 
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