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My Hero Academia: The Final Smash Upgrades

TheRustyOne

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Alright, time for the CRT I think everyone has been waiting for. As you all know, the manga has ended and with it we got the latest possible feat in the series.

In Chapters 423 and 424, Izuku unleashes a powerful smash that changes the weather from Japan all the way to America.

After having a calc group discussion thread, this was the calculation that was accepted.

The Final Smash of My Hero Academia: 1.7731112e+26 Joules or 42.37 Petatons of TNT (Multi-Continent level)

While I love the movies, it's nice to see the most impressive feat in the series coming from the manga instead.

Izuku's Fa Jin can at least be five times higher, so this would place him 211.89 Petatons of TNT (Multi-Continent level) No one scales to this value.

Alright, now I'll be discussing how the calculation changes the scaling for the God and Top Tiers.

Prime All Might should scale to the calc. While Izuku has surpassed All Might, in this moment both Izuku and Tomura have been weakened. Izuku's body is severely injured, and we've already seen that being injured/tired does lower Izuku's output. Izuku is completely exhausted and even struggles to stand at times.

Not only that but Izuku is running off the Embers of One For All, as he transfer the entire Quirk into Tomura's body. We can tell he's not even using 100% Full Cowl. This is what Izuku looks like when he's using 100% Full Cowl, and this is how he looks like when he running to hit Tomura.

Note: We see in Heroes Rising his 100% Full Cowl looks normal even when he has the Embers, this means Izuku has dropped below 100%.

This is important since Izuku says One For All is only a little stronger than what All Might had. Meaning it's safe to scale Prime All Might to this directly.

Right now we agree that Prime All Might 60x stronger than his weakened self.

Weakened All Might's Attack Potency would be, 2.9551853e+24 Joules or 706.30 Teratons of TNT (Large Country level+)

Those who downscale like Ryukyu and 45% Izuku should downscale to baseline High 6-B+, this is 430 Teratons of TNT.

Izuku's Fa Jin would place him at 2150 Teratons or 2.15 Petatons of TNT (Continent level)

Re-Destro's multiplier with Claustro is 1.5x, meaning they'd be 706.3*1.5 = 1059.45 Teratons or 1.05 Petatons of TNT (Continent level)

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Agree: DarkDragonMedeus, Dalesean027, Kingofwolves999, Spinoirr, Maverick_Zero_X, SuperStar, ShigarakiShimura, Eseseso, ssgengar, Therefir, Mapl3Sy4up, SlendVeny, Excellence616, GunshyFever, Viott, (15)

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Since someone's gotta ask the question, how do we reconcile a calc of this magnitude with the power level of other calcs in the series and the implied limitations of the characters?

Star and Stripe's Intercontinental Cruise Punch utilizing the power of ten Tiamat missiles exploding simultaneously nets a yield of 8.67 Teratons; it did visible damage to Tomura's body even though he only took a small portion of the blast and he acknowledges that if he'd been even a second later in getting out of the way, it would've been a fatal error.

Based on the OP, Tomura's durability would actually be at least over 81 times more durable than the full explosion of all ten missiles which would raise the question of why would Star even think she could destroy him with that, and why he thought he'd potentially die if he hadn't gotten out of the way?
 
Well well well.

There once was a time where even just High 7-A MHA was a stretch. Yet here we are at the peak of Tier 6. Lower end, sure, but the peak nonetheless.

So fitting and awesome that the best feat in the entire series is from our MC in the final battle while not even at his strongest. The greatest Hero indeed.

Very much agree with High 6-A and the new Weakened AM scaling chain.

Considering how close it is to baseline 6-A (760 Teratons), are there any plans for upscaling amps like Suneater’s Plasma Cannon, Endeavor’s Prominence Burn or Bakugo’s Cluster?
 
Damage3245 said:
Since someone's gotta ask the question, how do we reconcile a calc of this magnitude with the power level of other calcs in the series and the implied limitations of the characters?

Star and Stripe's Intercontinental Cruise Punch utilizing the power of ten Tiamat missiles exploding simultaneously nets a yield of 8.67 Teratons; it did visible damage to Tomura's body even though he only took a small portion of the blast and he acknowledges that if he'd been even a second later in getting out of the way, it would've been a fatal error.

Based on the OP, Tomura's durability would actually be at least over 81 times more durable than the full explosion of all ten missiles which would raise the question of why would Star even think she could destroy him with that, and why thought he'd potentially die if he hadn't gotten out of the way?
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I won’t lie, I’m starting to feel the effects of this too and I’m the one that created the 60x gap.

Initially it was a result OF big feats like that, as there were no feats for Prime AM to compare. We had his word on how he would overcome Nomu and that’s it.

Now that we have an actual feat, the upscaling for everyone else via Weakened All Might is getting pretty up there in comparison to the other feats in the verse.
 
Damage3245 said:
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This was already an "issue" when he was High 6-C+.

And it was an issue when he was 7-A and the blast was only 6-C.

The problem is any value of the missile becomes absurd since Tomura cannot even be hit by full amount of that power. Less than 1% of the energy could hit him even if Star and punched it directly into him. I believe I calculated the missiles energy output at being around High 7-A for the total energy hitting him.

The issue only comes from the calculation. The blast, should be treated just like any other attack, we scale it above the value of Tomura's durability.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
On the other hand, NOT upscaling peeps in accordance with new Prime AM rating would mean Shigaraki was punching people with an over 10000x power gap and not deleting them from existence.
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I feel like we already ignore that since he one shotted them anyway.

I believe someone said it's fine that he didn't pulverize them into past even with the 60x gap. They don't scale to something if it took them out in one hit.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Considering how close it is to baseline 6-A (760 Teratons), are there any plans for upscaling amps like Suneater’s Plasma Cannon, Endeavor’s Prominence Burn or Bakugo’s Cluster?
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Maybe in a future CRT, I didn't want to deal with any of that right now and bloat up this CRT due to how important it already is.

Although, I honestly think higher/far higher ratings is better than labeling them as 760 Teratons at this point.

Since that makes it sound like the increase is pathetically small.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
On the other hand, NOT upscaling peeps in accordance with new Prime AM rating would mean Shigaraki was punching people with an over 10000x power gap and not deleting them from existence.
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Treating Izuku's punch as being even weaker than his normal attacks introduces strange inconsistencies anyway like how the effects from a weakened Izuku punch can clear the skies of all clouds and produce a shockwave that can be felt a continent away, yet the effects of all his attacks in his battle with Shigaraki earlier on produced no massive disturbances in the atmosphere.

Not saying I have a solution to that conundrum but it is inherently strange.
 
TheRustyOne said:
I feel like we already ignore that since he one shotted them anyway.

I believe someone said it's fine that he didn't pulverize them into past even with the 60x gap. They don't scale to something if it took them out in one hit.
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Well yeah, but one of the bigger points was always that “if he’s so much stronger than them, why does he not reduce them to paste in a single hit” which was countered by “60x isn’t enough to do that.”

Well now the gap is like 1,000,000x so lol
 
Damage3245 said:
Treating Izuku's punch as being even weaker than his normal attacks introduces strange inconsistencies anyway like how the effects from a weakened Izuku punch can clear the skies of all clouds and produce a shockwave that can be felt a continent away, yet the effects of all his attacks in his battle with Shigaraki earlier on produced no massive disturbances in the atmosphere.

Not saying I have a solution to that conundrum but it is inherently strange.
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That has permanently been an issue. Shigaraki is Prime AM level but never does any feat comparable to Deku punching away a storm. The massive United States of Smash punch as well, Shigaraki doesn’t seem to replicate.

Their simple movements should be putting the everyone else to shame and clearing the skies consistently but they just kinda don’t until the very last hit. They don’t even disperse clouds like Deku did when he was beating on Shigaraki in PLW.
 
The narrative “final hit” being the most impressive spectacle is like the most common move ever.

Deku just happened to do his while at 3 hp, using just the embers of an already transferred Quirk, and at not even 100% of those embers like he was for Heroes Rising.

Honestly peak Deku would straight up one shot Embers Deku considering how nerfed he was for that final hit.
 
Damage3245 said:
Treating Izuku's punch as being even weaker than his normal attacks introduces strange inconsistencies anyway like how the effects from a weakened Izuku punch can clear the skies of all clouds and produce a shockwave that can be felt a continent away, yet the effects of all his attacks in his battle with Shigaraki earlier on produced no massive disturbances in the atmosphere.

Not saying I have a solution to that conundrum but it is inherently strange.
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With that logic Deku should have shot Shigaraki straight through the flying UA Fortress with his quintuple smash, if not just straight up vaporized all of UA.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Do we need a post-war Deku? If he gets expanded on I’d agree but he kinda doesn’t do anything than the one feat.
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I added it because I thought he was different enough to deserve a new key, since it's Deku with only his strength and speed at 100% and nothing else, and he fought AFO if only for a little bit

Plus he held these embers for an unknown but reasonable amount of time after the Final War.

I agree with the changes in the thread by the way.
 
TheRustyOne said:
We only saw Izuku wear it for one page... so no I don't think we're going to do that.

If something else comes out in the future like a movie/spin off, but not now.
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3 hour MHA movie where everyone gets a full 2-minute intro before being called in for the mission so we can see what Sero's up to.
 
SlendVeny said:
3 hour MHA movie where everyone gets a full 2-minute intro before being called in for the mission so we can see what Sero's up to.
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Speaking of which, when they did that Infinite Tsukuyomi scene in the movie last month, why was his ultimate dream just owning more tape? That is very sad or very much not.
 
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