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Not really regenerating the blood but rather the lungs and stomach depending on where the blood is coming from. In real life, if you reach the point of coughing blood, you pretty much have to be hospitalized to even heal that.
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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18
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He was in the hospital though. And he got like, major surgery. There's no evidence All Might is regenerating anything. This is a pointless addition for the sake of a larger ability page
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In my opinion? Probably not.
If you were to ignore the VS side of things... we don't have much to go off for the muzzle velocity of Nagant's bullets, but it's very clear that Horikoshi has written them in such a way that they aren't normal bullets.
Being able to cross hundreds of kilometers worth of distance in mere seconds is not something that I think just falls into the supersonic range of velocity. Even people on SpaceBattles are saying that a bullet going that fast would have to be moving at hundreds if not thousands of times the speed of sound to make contextual sense.
You could ignore that, and just say that's an outlier compared to everything else, but...
Nagant's bullet was able to reach Deku almost instantly, from three kilometers away from his original position, even before he was able to react properly with Danger Sense.
That is an object crossing thousands of meters worth of distance in what is effectively a fraction of a second.
And even if you assume that this action took place in what should be a pretty fair, if not slightly negligible assumption of Deku's reaction speed ~120 milliseconds, it still clocks in at around 25,000 m/s or over Mach 70.
Even being conservative and going, "Well, maybe Deku was just caught off guard and didn't get the time to react," effectively disregarding the implications of the story... at best you'd still have to admit that the bullets crossed that distance in under a second, due to the nature of Deku's incredibly impressive reactions, because there's no reason to assume that someone who can air kick a ******* bullet has reaction time slower than a normal human's.
But again, let's be conservative and say that it took place in a single second...
That still means the bullet is traveling at over ~3,000 m/s or a little bit over Mach 9.
Deku's finger smashes, if we adhere to the laws of momentum and kinetic energy conservation, should have more then enough force in them to accelerate Deku's body faster than those speeds, but at the same time, adhering to the same laws would mean that Nagant's bullets are tens of thousands of times faster than sound.
Going off of how his finger smashes actually function in the series...
There's not much blowback or recoil at all.
Considering how much momentum he is flicking that finger with, to part the water like that, he should go flying through the U.S.J's roof... but he doesn't. Probably because in Horikoshi's mind, Deku's finger smashes don't transfer that much momentum to Deku's body or because he's never considered such an event occurring.
Realistically, in the context of Horikoshi's 'vision' of how much his finger flicks propel him, he shouldn't be capable of moving more than subsonically if we're generous and assuming he's flying aerodynamically with Float and Black Whip to aid him.
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A few things but. Nagant never blitzed Deku with a bullet from 3km. In their fight she starts shooting from a km away and only ‘blitzes’ him when he’s in the middle of dealing with another attack.
Deku also doesn’t fly exclusively with finger flicks. In the Nagant fight he propels himself with his legs most of the time and when he’s flying to Tomura he’s using his fingers and legs while amped with Fa Jin and aided by Float.
Deku also doesn’t fly exclusively with finger flicks. In the Nagant fight he propels himself with his legs most of the time and when he’s flying to Tomura he’s using his fingers and legs while amped with Fa Jin and aided by Float.
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Somewhat on topic for the "Could Deku avoid Lady Nagant's bullets with a finger smash" debate, are we making Deku scale to Nagant's Final Arc bullets? It makes sense at a glance since it's the same character with no new powerups, but Final Act Nagant has a shown range of like 200KM, while in her introduction she had a range of around 3. She's clearly not the same as she was before, so I don't think anyone can scale to her feat.
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Nagant wasn't directly stated to have a max range of 3 km by a truly knowledgeable source.
It was implied but not completely confirmed. Snipe said she can do what his Quirk does with raw skill and from 3 km away, but never said it was her range limit. We also have no idea if Snipe himself a knowledgeable source about her range. Izuku's statement was just going off of what Snipe said in that interview.
There are multiple reasons on why Snipe only brought up 3 km.
There's no reason to assume a heavily injured Nagant is superior to when she's healthy. There has not yet been a reason to believe she was "boosted" or whatever.
It was implied but not completely confirmed. Snipe said she can do what his Quirk does with raw skill and from 3 km away, but never said it was her range limit. We also have no idea if Snipe himself a knowledgeable source about her range. Izuku's statement was just going off of what Snipe said in that interview.
There are multiple reasons on why Snipe only brought up 3 km.
There's no reason to assume a heavily injured Nagant is superior to when she's healthy. There has not yet been a reason to believe she was "boosted" or whatever.
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why would Nagant have been restraining herself by over 60x during her hero career and been getting into a 3km range of Deku if she could just hit him as effectively 100 more kilometers away?
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Well, that is true
But at the same time, Deku wouldn't be having a hard time if it crossed the 3 kilometers in like half a second, so it's a bit of a conservative estimate.
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1. To appear as reasonably capable to the public while not overwhelmingly so as to hide her true talent to avoid suspicion. "Did you hear how Bob got shot from hundreds of kilometers away? Was it by Lady Nagant? Nah, her range is only 3km so it's impossible" sort of deal
2. If Deku was capable of dodging her shots while she was as close as 3km, he would have an even easier time dodging her shots if they had to cross even more distance to get to him, giving Danger Sense even more time to react
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Im sure her 3K range statement was referring to how far away she can curve her bullets and not her firing range.
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Because All Might, Endeavor, and the other top heroes hold back as to not intimidate the public
And Lady Nagant didn't know of Deku's capabilities before attacking him, she wouldn't know to try to hit him from 3KM. And she intentionally wasn't trying to take him out from the start, so why even bother coming that close anyways?
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This feels like cope carefully ignoring or misinterpreting established factors in the series for higher ratings
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Why could Overhaul even see him from a kilometer away in fog and rain and why wouldn't Nagant just go further away once she spotted Deku to track him
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I see no problem with that
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Although, I should mention that Deku actually states that her range is 3 kilometers, and considered escaping this range for a moment.
Either this was retcon, the information was wrong, or Nagant actually traveled hundreds of kilometers before shooting Shigaraki.
This is the kind of thing that Hori would one day reveal on a volume page saying "a helicopter took Nagant from the Central Hospital in Tokyo and dropped her off at a building near the U.S. Fortress in the coast of Hamamatsu.", because we can't have nice feats.
Either this was retcon, the information was wrong, or Nagant actually traveled hundreds of kilometers before shooting Shigaraki.
This is the kind of thing that Hori would one day reveal on a volume page saying "a helicopter took Nagant from the Central Hospital in Tokyo and dropped her off at a building near the U.S. Fortress in the coast of Hamamatsu.", because we can't have nice feats.
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It's a slight burst in movement, not crossing notable distances. A bit like Shigaraki avoiding Endeavors attacks mid air by flexing his arm, but he isn't actually moving around mid air by flexing his arm as a mode of transportation.
If all Deku had to do to move relative to Nagant's bullets was finger flicks alone, she'd be a non-threat (until she used her high-velocity shot), and he'd generally speaking be faster in every other sequence, like when he had to cross the water. He not only stated it, but it was depicted that he's too slow with flicks and float. As demonstrated above, the flicks doesn't create that much recoil.
But I will say the finger flicks actually sent a far weaker Deku flying quickly as a mode of transportation against Gentle Criminal. Albeit unquantifibly so.
Absolutely. Snipe was talking about the range of what he can lock in on and what Nagant could alter trajectory of, etc. Not the maximum range of their bullets.
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The thing about Deku's speed feats is that a lot of them were by flying. All Might too. So there's the issue with Deku at 45% taking too long to reach UA Floating Island, especially since he starts on land.
It either means the travel speed between 45% and 100% is somehow that significantly different, or Deku with 45% can only move fast in short burtsts. Or whatever. Hori's not particularly good at this.
It either means the travel speed between 45% and 100% is somehow that significantly different, or Deku with 45% can only move fast in short burtsts. Or whatever. Hori's not particularly good at this.
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Or the calcs aren’t indicative of what they are in universe. Again we have supersonic being seen as impressive in universe and is basically the highest stated speed for several high tiers.
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I'm talking about all the times he coughs up blood but doesn't get any medical treatment for it.
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While I basically agree with this for any verse on this site. As I highly doubt Horikoshi believes these characters are over several dozens of times faster than sound.
Supersonic is a massive low-ball based on just plain showings. It's just when the story actually gives or implies a stated speed that it becomes messy.
Weakened All Might is blatantly faster than Supersonic that it isn't funny. Yet Overdrive Izuku being faster than sound was somehow being implied as super impressive, despite the fact he was blitzing someone on par with Prime All Might in terms of speed. Who according to Izuku is faster than a speeding bullet.
Izuku's Faux 100% feat against Nagant's bullet is far more impressive without context and makes little sense for Overdrive's impressive moment to only be faster than sound. So either Overdrive is slower than Faux 100% or this is an author not carrying about these things and is doing what they think is cool in the moment.
Overdrive's faster than sound moment is just horrible, since Mirio is acting like he doesn't understand what it means to move faster than sound. He's completely baffled that the sound is delayed when Izuku moves, despite the fact he should know that All Might level speed is faster than sound.
This implies that Complete Shigaraki is slower than sound, which is absurd.
Weakened All Might traveled around 5 kilometers in around 30 seconds. At face value that is 166 m/s and close to half the speed of sound. However we know for a fact All Might did not instantly begin moving the second AFO sent the Nomu. He fought for awhile before actually moving towards AFO. Who called that speed slow.
So how is Complete Shigaraki being blitzed by Overdrive Izuku who is just vaguely faster than sound? Since going by Mirio's statement this means Shigaraki is slower than sound, or else he wouldn't be shocked with Izuku's speed. And not just a little bit slower either, so slow that Shigaraki cannot perceive Izuku moving.
Authors write feats they don't put much thought into which ends up with characters being stronger/faster or weaker/slower than they actually believe. Which creates problems when trying to index their status since we'll get contradictions. These are contradictions that exist in universe without any need to calc anything.
These are similar issues to Izuku's percentages not making any sense either in universe. Since 5% Izuku is clearly not 20X slower/weaker than All Might.
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He's simply not very fast with float and flicks alone.
Gearshift is a different beast though.
Mirio was just shocked that what he witnessed happened before the sounds reached him. This can be both slower than sound or several times faster than sound depending on the distance between them. But put simply, it's just Mirio expressing how he's dumbfounded by their actions. I don't think the intention was "they're just now exceeding the speed of sound".
Gearshift is a different beast though.
This is my read:
Mirio was just shocked that what he witnessed happened before the sounds reached him. This can be both slower than sound or several times faster than sound depending on the distance between them. But put simply, it's just Mirio expressing how he's dumbfounded by their actions. I don't think the intention was "they're just now exceeding the speed of sound".
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Bro, those are just character statements, not even author narration.
It's not just the author, I think there's an issue with the fans as well with taking the statements characters say too seriously.
A lot of the time, characters are meant to respond and react to events. So there is also a limitation on what they can say. It's highly unlikely that you will ever hear a character in a story throw around terms like hypersonic, high-hypersonic, relativistic, etc.
They will mostly just use speed of sound as a marker and after that it jumps to basically Lightspeed.
But the characters' speeds could be anywhere in that wide range between SoS and Lightspeed.
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I wasn't talking about calcs.
Lots of feats in the series range from subsonic to supersonic as early as the first 2 seasons even without any sort of calcs, just taking the feats at face value.
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There were supersonic feats in the first 2 seasons? I just remember most of the stuff there was like low level superhuman to vaguely super fast.
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Yeah. Snipe's bullets are probably supersonic, for one.
All Might punching over 300 times in the manga only happened for like 2 pages and one spread.
There's Torino outspeeding his own voice(text).
Even the feats calculated as supersonic or so in the wiki would still be subsonic even when highly lowballed, like Shoto's ice and Iida's interception of Stain. Or even Iida just going FTE with Recipro Burst or Shiggy going FTE would all be subsonic at face value.
All Might punching over 300 times in the manga only happened for like 2 pages and one spread.
There's Torino outspeeding his own voice(text).
Even the feats calculated as supersonic or so in the wiki would still be subsonic even when highly lowballed, like Shoto's ice and Iida's interception of Stain. Or even Iida just going FTE with Recipro Burst or Shiggy going FTE would all be subsonic at face value.
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True! It's not like Hori pulled a Gege and added a narration saying "Deku has exceed Mach 3" or sth like that
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It's hilarious how months ago we were all laughing at JJK fans with Naoya and now the same debate has come right back to us
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I think you need at least Low-High for Immortality via Regeneration.
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What about Type 4 for Shiggy then? Since he can revive from biological death?
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At least our saving grace is that all the statements came from the characters not the narration itself in the case of JJK...for now...
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Nah bro, give him Saint Seya the feats in that is nutty
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Aren’t these character statements made by the author though? Statements like this are clearly written to be informative to the viewers so I don’t think they could be discredited by being made by a character
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