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The Mushuko Tensei High-Tier AP CTR
Context:
For years, the Mushuko Tensei VSBW page has been neglected, and many characters removed. On top of this, I believe the scaling on the still-existing pages are incorrect and backed by very little evidence.
Due to this, in this CRT, I will use an accepted calc, and other things from Mushuko Tensei to attempt to add a catalogue of new pages, to revise old pages, and to get the verse back on track for a complete rehaul, starting with Rudeus and the fellow high tiers. This CRT will attempt to establish new AP and Durability for around 10 characters.
Accepted calc:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...on_God_Laplace_-_Great_Continent_Feat_Revised
Section 1
For simplicity, this CRT will be split into 2 parts, being (1) people who scale to the feat, and (2) people who scale slightly lower than the feat.
Note: ignore the link names, I got really bored while writing this
THIS CRT, DUE TO IT'S LENGTH, WILL MOSTLY JUST GIVE YOU THE SCANS TO READ YOURSELF, RARELY QUOTES WILL BE USED. FURTHERMORE, ALL SCANS ARE CROSSREFERENCED FROM HARDCOVER LIGHT NOVEL TO DIGITAL VERSIONS TO ENSURE ACCURACY. ON TOP OF THIS, LINKS WILL BE REFERENCED FROM PREVIOUS SECTIONS (e.g. see scans in x section in y character), TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF REDUNDANT LINKS
Section 1: People who scale to the feat
Before I can present the argument, let's go over who this will effect, the list will be as follows:
Rudeus Greyrat (Mark 1, Mark 0), Demonic Dragon God Laplace, Fighting God Badigadi (and any wielder of the fighting god armor), Alexander Rybak (Kalman III), and Alex Rybak (Kalman II, Prime), Eris Greyrat (with Dragon King Blade)
We'll start off with the nature of the feat itself. During his fight with the Fighting God Badigadi, in a last-ditch effort to survive into the future, a weakened Lapace (had just fought the Demon Empress and the Golden Knight Aldeberan, along with the Fighting God Badigadi) split himself into thousands of pieces known as “Lapace Factors”. As a consequence of this split, the great continent was split, and the Ringus Sea was formed in the crater of the spell.
This explosion which was calculated to High 6-A, (see the approved calc above), will be directly scaled to by Badigadi (in fighting god armor) and Demonic Dragon God Laplace, as Badigadi survived the spell to a point where he can still regenerate, and Demonic Dragon God Laplace, while weakened, performed the feat.
scans ↓
Badigadi
For further context, the man in the second scan is Badigadi himself, it was him telling his tale in the third person. Given the calculation mentioned earlier was accepted, and this is the nature of it, evidently, Badigadi & Demonic Dragon God Laplace should scale to it.
Demonic Dragon God Laplace will be given a “at least H6-A” rating, as we do know he was significantly weakened during this encounter. And yet, was still capable of performing the feat
For further reason as to why Badigadi should scale to it (for clarity here) is due to the fact that immortal demons (such as Badigadi) have a limit that their regeneration can handle. We see this in Eris v Badigadi & Orsted v Alexander, and Atofe vs Badigadi. In all 3, immortal demon regeneration was overriden by raw AP. Given this principle, and given the fact Badigadi survived the explosion, he should scale to it.
EVIDENCE ↓
Immortal Demon Regen Cap
Here in this gallery we see multiple instances in which an immortal demon is overcame via raw AP rather than a normative method (sealing).
The first scan fight here states the following;
Followed by an image of said thing.
Given Alexander's nature of being an Immortal demon, and the rest of the context of the surrounding 2 pages attached, we can see Alexander was failing to regenerate here.
Next, we have Eris vs Badigadi, in which it's stated:
And then the rest of the context further supports that his regeneration has halted. Just a note, some may claim Eris doesn't scale to this as the sword was also powered by Rudeus's mana, but we do know the verse follows equal input and output, so even if it was amped by Rudeus's mana, Eris still activated this without major harm to herself, implying she scales to it, and she experienced mana drain from it, once more, implying she could handle it.
Finally, we have Atofe vs Badigadi, in which, it is stated:
Given the fact that Badigadi and Atofe never returned, we can infer the claims about them being dead and their regeneration halting to be true.
To add further evidence to this abductive case, let's address major critiques early.
1. “Q: Why couldn't the regeneration just be outpaced, or affected by something like hax rather than raw AP?”
1. A: Full Immortal Demons, such as Badigadi or Atofe have instant regeneration as stated in the novel, so the regeneration for those two can't just be outpaced narratively, this is supported by every immortal demon fight. Next, in Alexander's case, we see him regenerate even when he's not given a chance to really do so, so being overwhelmed isn't a viable way to stop it; plus, we see him regenerate graver injuries in shorter time periods, but we know he couldn't regenerate his arms in the ten minutes given, so seemingly that fails. Next, for the hax point, there simply doesn't exist a hax that they were using, all of these were stated to be raw stats, whether it be implicit or explicit so that fails. While it's true said hax do exist, they simply were not using them.
2. Q: “Why couldn't they just fail to regenerate, e.g. being unable to due to being pressured”
2. A: It's passive. As simply as that, we see immortal demons regenerate even when being pressured. (Atofe)
Hence, Fighting God Badigadi will be given a “H6-A” rating, as he scales to the Laplace explosion.
Next, we have the other members who should scale to this feat, we will go over each individually, but let's start off with direct combatants.
The first of this list we shall cover is Rudeus Greyrat. We have very strong reason to believe he's slightly weaker, but pretty much equal to Fighting God Badigadi. We can infer this from the fact that a mana-drained Rudeus (not a full drain, but rather, significantly weakened) was able to clash with a Fighting God Armor Badigadi for a while. On top of this, Rudeus had gone relative with a full-power Orsted in the past, and is stated to have a higher mana capacity and control than Demon God Laplace himself. On top of this, Orsted notes that Rudeus could learn god-ranked magic, albeit, Rudeus denies on the stance it won't matter. Furthermore, Rudeus is shown going relative and beating a slightly weakened Alexander Rybak (Kalman III). Given this, we have a large abductive case in favor of Rudeus scaling to Badigadi and around Laplace.
EVIDENCE ↓
Assorted Rudeus Mana Statements
Here in the first few scans, we can see the following statements:
(in reference to mana)
(in reference to god-tier magic)
Looking at the context of the previous scan, it may seem like he can't learn god-tier magic, but the narrative actually tells us otherwise. For one, we know Rudeus downplays himself often (“I don't have that much mana... I'm just a regular guy”, etc), and we know that the only person who could use god-tier magic was Laplace, the same Laplace Rudeus is compared to at every occasion. So the rebuttal based on that is more-so a confidence thing.
Next, we have the fighting feats for Rudeus.
For reference, this is a Mark 1 Rudeus and Co vs Dragon King Blade Alexander, it's noted Alexander is stronger than every individual there, and that Rudeus is doing the most damage, so this weaker Rudeus is doing reliable damage to a full power Alexander (this is full power, as this is when the battle first started, fatigue hasn't yet shown)
Rudeus implies he's close enough to match them (Alexander and the Anti-Alexander squad) in power and speed, just a skill gap is stopping him.
Note: this next quote won't make sense unless you read the scans
As you see in the full page of context, Rudeus is winning their clash by using his advantages, and by his own statement, he's beating the crap out of him.
Next, for the next page of the fight, there is no specific quote, but it's shown their still going relative.
Finally,
Once more, context is required, and it'd be better to read the attached scans, but Rudeus wins this clash. Even if he doesn't know that Alexander is still alive, he still did knock Alexander out, and if Alexander weren't an immortal demon, then he would be dead here. Keep in mind, this part of the CRT is for Mark 0 Rudeus, and this is a weaker version.
Next, we have the Badigadi feats. Once more, I won't cite specific things, as the fight is attached, but Rudeus and Badigadi clearly back and forth, and Rudeus has a major upper hand throughout (severing Badigadi's limbs, stuff like that, before anyone attacks this, genuinely read the scans attached, it's verbatim stated on numerous occasions.), and given all the other evidence + the upcoming Orsted v Rudeus section, we can make a conjunction and claim he's roughly in this ballpark via abductive reasoning.
Next, we have Rudeus vs Orsted. This section will be short, and I'll get to the point.
Even while faced against Orsted, Rudeus took multiple hits before Eris joined the fray, and while it's true he was losing, and that the damage Orsted took was minor, he was still able to damage him. A feat that characters like Badigadi, or Alexander found astonishing, and that made him feared by the likes of Randolph. Note, about Orsted, he conserves as much mana as he can, so when he uses more mana, it's a sign of power. Rudeus forced Orsted to use the majority of the mana he was planning to use to fight Laplace, and the second most mana used behind Fighting God Armor, King Dragon Blade Alexander. And this is a far weaker Rudeus, comparable to the one that fought Alexander, aka, inferior to Mark 1 Rudeus, which is weaker than the one that fought Badigadi, Mark 0 Rudeus.
Some may argue this doesn't correlate to AP, but this simply isn't the case. We can use abductive reasoning to come to this conclusion again, Orsted simply wouldn't need to reinforce himself against Rudeus if he wasn't a threat. Orsted wouldn't have needed to use that much mana if Rudeus couldn't harm him. And even in the mana-using amp, Rudeus was still outputting damage. For a scope on this, one singular attack Rudeus used on Orsted was capable of evaporating a non-fighting god armor Badigadi, and these same stone cannons were able to blow Fighting God Badigadi's armor.
Evidence ↓
Rudeus vs Orsted
Mark 0 Rudeus will be given a “H6-A” rating, and his other forms will be covered in section two. Mark 1 Rudeus will also be given a “possibly H6-A
Next, we have Alexander Rybak (Kalman III). We also have a major abductive and Inductive case towards the fact that Alexander, at his highest (vs Orsted), should also be around this tier. This is due to the fact that (1) Alexander was superior to Alex, A magic 1 Rudeus, Eris, etc before obtaining the Fighting God Armor, (2) the Fighting God Armor is the only reason Badigadi was able to survive that explosion from Laplace, and Alexander himself takes the Armor later on, and (3) Alexander is capable of taking multiple hits from Orsted, and is superior to Eris and the entire anti-badigadi squad.
As seen in the last section, while a dragon king blade Alexander is taken down by Rudeus, it was mostly due to the jumping he was facing from Alex Rybak, Eris Greyrat, Rujierd Superdia, and Rudeus Greyrat. While it's true Rudeus did most of the damage, and was the only one to engage in one on one combat— and won, it ought to be noted that (1) Alexander (as shown previously) was stronger than any individual there (including Rudeus and Alex), and that was not his highest peak, which comes later.
Given this, we ought to cover his highest peak next, as it is only natural. Hencefore, we shall cover Alexander Rybak with the King Dragon Sword & The Fighting God Armor v Orsted.
For one, it should be established that the Fighting God Armor provides a significant amplifier, with Rudeus being able to one tap Badigadi before he had it, to be significantly weaker. It is also stated that Badigadi would've lost to Laplace with ease if not for the armor, and the armor is the only reason he tanked the Ringus Sea Explosion. Thus, we may assume that the Fighting God Armor provides a significant amplifier.
This is supported by the fact that after obtaining the Fighting God Armor— Alexander took down the entire anti-badigadi crew, including Rudeus, Ghislaine, Rujierd, Isolate, etc. it should be noted they were weakened, but, it's still noteworthy. Furthermore, he was able to clash with Orsted for ten minutes directly after this, and he had forced Orsted to use the majority of his magic reserves. A far larger amount that Volume 15 Rudeus (mentioned in previous section), given the principle established in that section, it should be the case that since Orsted needed to use far, far more mana, it should be the case that this Alexander was far, far stronger. The mana Orsted was forced to use was stated to be the mana he planned to use to defeat both Laplace and the Man-God, implying that much mana was enough to take down the likes of them.
EVIDENCE ↓
Alexander soloing the Verse
Alexander (Dragon King Blade) will be given a rating of “H6-A”, and Fighting God Armor Dragon King Blade Alexander will be given “Atleast H6-A+” due to the lack of information on how Orsted scales.
Next, we have Alex Rybak (Kalman II). He should scale to this due to (1) being able to hold off a full power Fighting God Badigadi for longer than any other individual fighter, (2) was capable of holding off Alexander Rybak (see earlier sections), for a long period of time, and (3) was implied to be stronger than both if he were to have the Dragon King Blade, given those 3, it's sensible to make the claim that a Dragon King Blade Alex (aka prime Alex), should be this high. For extra reference, the Badigadi that Rudeus and Alexander are compared to, is weakened by Alex himself. Alex is the reason Badigadi was weakened in the first place.
As stated above, Alex was able to hold back a fighting god badigadi when he first equipped the armor, in other terms, the strongest form of Badigadi we have seen. He is the reason that Badigadi was weakened in Mark 0 Rudy vs Badigadi in the first place. It's also stated he held out the longest against the full power Badigadi.
We also know that Alex held out against Badigadi, taking hit after hit for five minutes straight before the team got there, this is without the King Dragon Sword, and by himself. We know once the rest of the group got there, he began to lead the charge against Badigadi. After Atofe and the others were knocked out, Alex took Atofe's magic sword, (keep in mind, one far weaker than the king dragon blade), and held off Badigadi long enough for everyone to not only retreat, but to regroup and replan.
Next, it's stated that the king dragon blade can bring a sword saint who's never used it to the level of a sword emperor or even higher. We know Alex is the most skilled user of it in the entire series, as he wielded it for hundreds of years, and we know his base AP and Dura are about the same as back then, he has only gotten more skilled. Given that, and given the fact that Alex's base AP and Dura against Badigadi were enough to hold him back for that long— the prime Alex, the one with the King Dragon Blade, ought to be significantly stronger.
It should also be noted that Badigadi 1 tapped everyone except Alex, and the time between the groups defeat and their return to the base, and by virtue, how long round 3 of Alex vs Badigadi was, is unknown. We do know they traveled quite the distance though, and that Badigadi was a bit weakened in the next encounter.
EVIDENCE ↓
Alex has mad aura
Prime Alex will be given a “likely H6-A” due to the lack of data on the Dragon King Blade amp. Base Alex will be given a “6-A+, possibly H6-A”
Next we have Eris Greyrat (Dragon King Blade). This one may be controversial, but that's mostly because the majority of the fan base overlooked Eris in Volumes 15 and 25-26 due to the larger fights happening. Within said volumes, Eris is capable of engaging with a full power Orsted in close range, something not even Rudeus was able to do. Next, in volume 25, she was able to kill Gal Farion. Someone who is roughly weaker than Alexander, while still being comparable. Next, you have her other feats, such as holding her own against Fighting God Badigadi on numerous occasions, or Dragon King Blade Alexander on numerous occasions, and all of these are before she gets the King Dragon Blade. Once she was given the King Dragon Blade, she was able to hit Badigadi hard enough to stop his regeneration.
Frankly, the summary paragraph above covers most of it. She was able to take down Gal Farion, killing him. She was able to harm Orsted a bit and go relative with him, even cutting off his hand. She was able to land solid hits and tank hits from Fighting God Badigadi and King Dragon Blade Alexander, and, was able to cut off Alexander's hand. And finally, when she was amped by Rudy and the King Dragon Blade, she was able to destroy Badigadi, taking down his regeneration with her.
Rudeus Amped Eris will be given a rating of “H6-A+” due to being above Badigadi in this state.
EVIDENCE ↓
Wait I lied Eris has the most aura, sorry Alex
Section Two
As stated previously, this section will cover those who scale below the feat, albiet, not by a large margin. Characters in this section with scale from anywhere to H6-B to 6-A+, these characters will be given a “at least”, and a “at most” rating, along with some of them having “varies”, “likely”, and “possibly”, this is due to the lack of calculations at the time of creation. These characters are mostly those who scale slightly below or relative but not equal to those in section 1.
This section will cover the following:
Rudeus Greyrat (Mark 1), Demon God Laplace, Technique God Laplace, Eris Greyrat (Base)
We will go in no specific order.
To begin, Demon God Laplace and Technique God Laplace are stated to be two equal halfs of the Demonic Dragon God Laplace. Thus, we must take the original value of our calculation at the top of the post, and slice it in half. This results in the number:
1.609911e+25j
Which is contentinal (6-A, possibly 6-A+), this is pretty simple, so I'll link my scans then go to the next character:
EVIDENCE ↓
Laplace turns into Laplace(2)
Next, we have Mark 1 Rudeus Greyrat. As seen in section 1, he was able to clash with the likes of Alexander Rybak (King Dragon Blade), and Suppressed Orsted. The primary reason Mark 1 Rudeus is here rather than section 1 is due to an anti-feat, which is having his armor 1 shot by Badigadi once he got the Fighting God Armor.
Thus, I propose a “At least 6-A, likely 6-A+, and possibly H6-A (albiet, on the lower end)” as simply, he tanks and overpowers characters like Alexander Rybak, and also gets one shot by Fighting God Badigadi. A varies rating could also work here, as I believe this to be a problem of inconsistent scaling.
It could also be the case that Rudeus was fueling more or less mana into the suit during x feat or y anti-feat, and thus, a varies rating could also work based on that. Albiet, this is assumption and we don't have much proof other than the fact he changed mana amount, and subsequentially, his stats in, Volume 15, vs Orsted, along with Volume 25 vs Alexander.
If this is the case, then varying from 6-A to H6-A works for me.
The evidence for this is all in section 1 aswell.
Now that we have a general baseline for this tier (Demon and Technique God Laplace), and have seen how someone may scale to it (Mark 1 Rudeus), I only see it fitting to continue with this section, thus, we shall cover Eris Greyrat (base).
Within her base form, she was able to cut off the hand of a suppressed Orsted (Vol 15, vs Rudeus Mark 1), doing more damage than Rudeus at any given moment in the fight. On top of this, Eris shows the capability to cut off the hand of Alexander Rybak (King Dragon Blade), and she is also one of the few to take hits from Badigadi. She was also able to cut through the fighting god armor during the Badigadi fight, a feat only Rudeus, Orsted, and Laplace himself have achieved. Furthermore, she defeated and slayed Gal Farion.
EVIDENCE ↓
Rudeus needs to give ME eris
Given this, it feels accurate to assign her a rating of “6-A, likely 6-A+, at most H6-A”, as established in the previous section, characters like Fighting God Badigadi, or Alexander Rybak should be H6-A, and thus, she should be aswell. The Orsted and Gal feats are just extra evidence to add to that claim.
Anyways, to conclude, I'll have a quick summary of each character for mods to skim.
Laplace
→ Demonic Dragon God Laplace | at least High 6-A
Calculated to be H6-A while heavily weakened from two previous fights, pretty evident.
→ Demon and Technique Gods Laplace | at least 6-A+
Each half is stated to have exactly half of the Demonic Dragon God Laplace's power, so we simply halved the accepted calc.
Fighting God Badigadi | High 6-A
Survived the feat calced and used as justification for Laplace.
Alexander Rybak | Varies, 6-A+ through High 6-A depending on King Dragon Blade, up to at least High 6-A with Fighting God Armor
Relative to Badigadi, with very similar feats, taking on the likes of Mark 1 Rudeus, or Alex, characters who went relative with Badigadi with the King Dragon Blade. Once obtaining the Fighting God Armor, he one shots everyone that was fighting Badigadi and forces Orsted into a longer battle and forces Orsted to go all out, survives hits from a full power Orsted.
Eris Greyrat | 6-A+, possibly H6-A in base, up to High 6-A+ with the King Dragon Blade.
Eris shows the capability to cut off the hands, and other body parts of Alexander Rybak or Orsted. Able to cut through the fighting god armor, and was able to erase Badigadi fully using her AP once obtaining the King Dragon Blade.
Rudeus Greyrat | Varies based on armor and mana output. 6-A and likely 6-A+ in Mark 1, possibly High 6-A in Mark 1 (charged). High 6-A in Mark 0.
Able to clash with the likes of Orsted, Alexander Rybak, etc in Mark 1 when charged up. When not charged up, Mark 1 is easily destroyed by Badigadi. Once obtaining and charging up Mark 0, he's able to destroy the majority of the Fighting God Armor and to battle Badigadi on equal footing.
Alex Rybak | 6-A+ in base, possibly High 6-A, likely High 6-A in prime.
Was able to hold Badigadi off for an extended period, was able to hold off Alexander, both without his mythical blade. With the King Dragon Blade he's implied to be exponentially stronger.
More CRTs for MT will come later, I just wanted to finish this one and send it in for review.
Agree:
Disagree:
Context:
For years, the Mushuko Tensei VSBW page has been neglected, and many characters removed. On top of this, I believe the scaling on the still-existing pages are incorrect and backed by very little evidence.
Due to this, in this CRT, I will use an accepted calc, and other things from Mushuko Tensei to attempt to add a catalogue of new pages, to revise old pages, and to get the verse back on track for a complete rehaul, starting with Rudeus and the fellow high tiers. This CRT will attempt to establish new AP and Durability for around 10 characters.
Accepted calc:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...on_God_Laplace_-_Great_Continent_Feat_Revised
Section 1
For simplicity, this CRT will be split into 2 parts, being (1) people who scale to the feat, and (2) people who scale slightly lower than the feat.
Note: ignore the link names, I got really bored while writing this
THIS CRT, DUE TO IT'S LENGTH, WILL MOSTLY JUST GIVE YOU THE SCANS TO READ YOURSELF, RARELY QUOTES WILL BE USED. FURTHERMORE, ALL SCANS ARE CROSSREFERENCED FROM HARDCOVER LIGHT NOVEL TO DIGITAL VERSIONS TO ENSURE ACCURACY. ON TOP OF THIS, LINKS WILL BE REFERENCED FROM PREVIOUS SECTIONS (e.g. see scans in x section in y character), TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF REDUNDANT LINKS
Section 1: People who scale to the feat
Before I can present the argument, let's go over who this will effect, the list will be as follows:
Rudeus Greyrat (Mark 1, Mark 0), Demonic Dragon God Laplace, Fighting God Badigadi (and any wielder of the fighting god armor), Alexander Rybak (Kalman III), and Alex Rybak (Kalman II, Prime), Eris Greyrat (with Dragon King Blade)
We'll start off with the nature of the feat itself. During his fight with the Fighting God Badigadi, in a last-ditch effort to survive into the future, a weakened Lapace (had just fought the Demon Empress and the Golden Knight Aldeberan, along with the Fighting God Badigadi) split himself into thousands of pieces known as “Lapace Factors”. As a consequence of this split, the great continent was split, and the Ringus Sea was formed in the crater of the spell.
This explosion which was calculated to High 6-A, (see the approved calc above), will be directly scaled to by Badigadi (in fighting god armor) and Demonic Dragon God Laplace, as Badigadi survived the spell to a point where he can still regenerate, and Demonic Dragon God Laplace, while weakened, performed the feat.
scans ↓
Badigadi
For further context, the man in the second scan is Badigadi himself, it was him telling his tale in the third person. Given the calculation mentioned earlier was accepted, and this is the nature of it, evidently, Badigadi & Demonic Dragon God Laplace should scale to it.
Demonic Dragon God Laplace will be given a “at least H6-A” rating, as we do know he was significantly weakened during this encounter. And yet, was still capable of performing the feat
For further reason as to why Badigadi should scale to it (for clarity here) is due to the fact that immortal demons (such as Badigadi) have a limit that their regeneration can handle. We see this in Eris v Badigadi & Orsted v Alexander, and Atofe vs Badigadi. In all 3, immortal demon regeneration was overriden by raw AP. Given this principle, and given the fact Badigadi survived the explosion, he should scale to it.
EVIDENCE ↓
Immortal Demon Regen Cap
Here in this gallery we see multiple instances in which an immortal demon is overcame via raw AP rather than a normative method (sealing).
The first scan fight here states the following;
Followed by an image of said thing.
Given Alexander's nature of being an Immortal demon, and the rest of the context of the surrounding 2 pages attached, we can see Alexander was failing to regenerate here.
Next, we have Eris vs Badigadi, in which it's stated:
And then the rest of the context further supports that his regeneration has halted. Just a note, some may claim Eris doesn't scale to this as the sword was also powered by Rudeus's mana, but we do know the verse follows equal input and output, so even if it was amped by Rudeus's mana, Eris still activated this without major harm to herself, implying she scales to it, and she experienced mana drain from it, once more, implying she could handle it.
Finally, we have Atofe vs Badigadi, in which, it is stated:
Given the fact that Badigadi and Atofe never returned, we can infer the claims about them being dead and their regeneration halting to be true.
To add further evidence to this abductive case, let's address major critiques early.
1. “Q: Why couldn't the regeneration just be outpaced, or affected by something like hax rather than raw AP?”
1. A: Full Immortal Demons, such as Badigadi or Atofe have instant regeneration as stated in the novel, so the regeneration for those two can't just be outpaced narratively, this is supported by every immortal demon fight. Next, in Alexander's case, we see him regenerate even when he's not given a chance to really do so, so being overwhelmed isn't a viable way to stop it; plus, we see him regenerate graver injuries in shorter time periods, but we know he couldn't regenerate his arms in the ten minutes given, so seemingly that fails. Next, for the hax point, there simply doesn't exist a hax that they were using, all of these were stated to be raw stats, whether it be implicit or explicit so that fails. While it's true said hax do exist, they simply were not using them.
2. Q: “Why couldn't they just fail to regenerate, e.g. being unable to due to being pressured”
2. A: It's passive. As simply as that, we see immortal demons regenerate even when being pressured. (Atofe)
Hence, Fighting God Badigadi will be given a “H6-A” rating, as he scales to the Laplace explosion.
Next, we have the other members who should scale to this feat, we will go over each individually, but let's start off with direct combatants.
The first of this list we shall cover is Rudeus Greyrat. We have very strong reason to believe he's slightly weaker, but pretty much equal to Fighting God Badigadi. We can infer this from the fact that a mana-drained Rudeus (not a full drain, but rather, significantly weakened) was able to clash with a Fighting God Armor Badigadi for a while. On top of this, Rudeus had gone relative with a full-power Orsted in the past, and is stated to have a higher mana capacity and control than Demon God Laplace himself. On top of this, Orsted notes that Rudeus could learn god-ranked magic, albeit, Rudeus denies on the stance it won't matter. Furthermore, Rudeus is shown going relative and beating a slightly weakened Alexander Rybak (Kalman III). Given this, we have a large abductive case in favor of Rudeus scaling to Badigadi and around Laplace.
EVIDENCE ↓
Assorted Rudeus Mana Statements
Here in the first few scans, we can see the following statements:
(in reference to mana)
(in reference to god-tier magic)
Looking at the context of the previous scan, it may seem like he can't learn god-tier magic, but the narrative actually tells us otherwise. For one, we know Rudeus downplays himself often (“I don't have that much mana... I'm just a regular guy”, etc), and we know that the only person who could use god-tier magic was Laplace, the same Laplace Rudeus is compared to at every occasion. So the rebuttal based on that is more-so a confidence thing.
Next, we have the fighting feats for Rudeus.
For reference, this is a Mark 1 Rudeus and Co vs Dragon King Blade Alexander, it's noted Alexander is stronger than every individual there, and that Rudeus is doing the most damage, so this weaker Rudeus is doing reliable damage to a full power Alexander (this is full power, as this is when the battle first started, fatigue hasn't yet shown)
Rudeus implies he's close enough to match them (Alexander and the Anti-Alexander squad) in power and speed, just a skill gap is stopping him.
Note: this next quote won't make sense unless you read the scans
As you see in the full page of context, Rudeus is winning their clash by using his advantages, and by his own statement, he's beating the crap out of him.
Next, for the next page of the fight, there is no specific quote, but it's shown their still going relative.
Finally,
Once more, context is required, and it'd be better to read the attached scans, but Rudeus wins this clash. Even if he doesn't know that Alexander is still alive, he still did knock Alexander out, and if Alexander weren't an immortal demon, then he would be dead here. Keep in mind, this part of the CRT is for Mark 0 Rudeus, and this is a weaker version.
Next, we have the Badigadi feats. Once more, I won't cite specific things, as the fight is attached, but Rudeus and Badigadi clearly back and forth, and Rudeus has a major upper hand throughout (severing Badigadi's limbs, stuff like that, before anyone attacks this, genuinely read the scans attached, it's verbatim stated on numerous occasions.), and given all the other evidence + the upcoming Orsted v Rudeus section, we can make a conjunction and claim he's roughly in this ballpark via abductive reasoning.
Next, we have Rudeus vs Orsted. This section will be short, and I'll get to the point.
Even while faced against Orsted, Rudeus took multiple hits before Eris joined the fray, and while it's true he was losing, and that the damage Orsted took was minor, he was still able to damage him. A feat that characters like Badigadi, or Alexander found astonishing, and that made him feared by the likes of Randolph. Note, about Orsted, he conserves as much mana as he can, so when he uses more mana, it's a sign of power. Rudeus forced Orsted to use the majority of the mana he was planning to use to fight Laplace, and the second most mana used behind Fighting God Armor, King Dragon Blade Alexander. And this is a far weaker Rudeus, comparable to the one that fought Alexander, aka, inferior to Mark 1 Rudeus, which is weaker than the one that fought Badigadi, Mark 0 Rudeus.
Some may argue this doesn't correlate to AP, but this simply isn't the case. We can use abductive reasoning to come to this conclusion again, Orsted simply wouldn't need to reinforce himself against Rudeus if he wasn't a threat. Orsted wouldn't have needed to use that much mana if Rudeus couldn't harm him. And even in the mana-using amp, Rudeus was still outputting damage. For a scope on this, one singular attack Rudeus used on Orsted was capable of evaporating a non-fighting god armor Badigadi, and these same stone cannons were able to blow Fighting God Badigadi's armor.
Evidence ↓
Rudeus vs Orsted
Mark 0 Rudeus will be given a “H6-A” rating, and his other forms will be covered in section two. Mark 1 Rudeus will also be given a “possibly H6-A
Next, we have Alexander Rybak (Kalman III). We also have a major abductive and Inductive case towards the fact that Alexander, at his highest (vs Orsted), should also be around this tier. This is due to the fact that (1) Alexander was superior to Alex, A magic 1 Rudeus, Eris, etc before obtaining the Fighting God Armor, (2) the Fighting God Armor is the only reason Badigadi was able to survive that explosion from Laplace, and Alexander himself takes the Armor later on, and (3) Alexander is capable of taking multiple hits from Orsted, and is superior to Eris and the entire anti-badigadi squad.
As seen in the last section, while a dragon king blade Alexander is taken down by Rudeus, it was mostly due to the jumping he was facing from Alex Rybak, Eris Greyrat, Rujierd Superdia, and Rudeus Greyrat. While it's true Rudeus did most of the damage, and was the only one to engage in one on one combat— and won, it ought to be noted that (1) Alexander (as shown previously) was stronger than any individual there (including Rudeus and Alex), and that was not his highest peak, which comes later.
Given this, we ought to cover his highest peak next, as it is only natural. Hencefore, we shall cover Alexander Rybak with the King Dragon Sword & The Fighting God Armor v Orsted.
For one, it should be established that the Fighting God Armor provides a significant amplifier, with Rudeus being able to one tap Badigadi before he had it, to be significantly weaker. It is also stated that Badigadi would've lost to Laplace with ease if not for the armor, and the armor is the only reason he tanked the Ringus Sea Explosion. Thus, we may assume that the Fighting God Armor provides a significant amplifier.
This is supported by the fact that after obtaining the Fighting God Armor— Alexander took down the entire anti-badigadi crew, including Rudeus, Ghislaine, Rujierd, Isolate, etc. it should be noted they were weakened, but, it's still noteworthy. Furthermore, he was able to clash with Orsted for ten minutes directly after this, and he had forced Orsted to use the majority of his magic reserves. A far larger amount that Volume 15 Rudeus (mentioned in previous section), given the principle established in that section, it should be the case that since Orsted needed to use far, far more mana, it should be the case that this Alexander was far, far stronger. The mana Orsted was forced to use was stated to be the mana he planned to use to defeat both Laplace and the Man-God, implying that much mana was enough to take down the likes of them.
EVIDENCE ↓
Alexander soloing the Verse
Alexander (Dragon King Blade) will be given a rating of “H6-A”, and Fighting God Armor Dragon King Blade Alexander will be given “Atleast H6-A+” due to the lack of information on how Orsted scales.
Next, we have Alex Rybak (Kalman II). He should scale to this due to (1) being able to hold off a full power Fighting God Badigadi for longer than any other individual fighter, (2) was capable of holding off Alexander Rybak (see earlier sections), for a long period of time, and (3) was implied to be stronger than both if he were to have the Dragon King Blade, given those 3, it's sensible to make the claim that a Dragon King Blade Alex (aka prime Alex), should be this high. For extra reference, the Badigadi that Rudeus and Alexander are compared to, is weakened by Alex himself. Alex is the reason Badigadi was weakened in the first place.
As stated above, Alex was able to hold back a fighting god badigadi when he first equipped the armor, in other terms, the strongest form of Badigadi we have seen. He is the reason that Badigadi was weakened in Mark 0 Rudy vs Badigadi in the first place. It's also stated he held out the longest against the full power Badigadi.
We also know that Alex held out against Badigadi, taking hit after hit for five minutes straight before the team got there, this is without the King Dragon Sword, and by himself. We know once the rest of the group got there, he began to lead the charge against Badigadi. After Atofe and the others were knocked out, Alex took Atofe's magic sword, (keep in mind, one far weaker than the king dragon blade), and held off Badigadi long enough for everyone to not only retreat, but to regroup and replan.
Next, it's stated that the king dragon blade can bring a sword saint who's never used it to the level of a sword emperor or even higher. We know Alex is the most skilled user of it in the entire series, as he wielded it for hundreds of years, and we know his base AP and Dura are about the same as back then, he has only gotten more skilled. Given that, and given the fact that Alex's base AP and Dura against Badigadi were enough to hold him back for that long— the prime Alex, the one with the King Dragon Blade, ought to be significantly stronger.
It should also be noted that Badigadi 1 tapped everyone except Alex, and the time between the groups defeat and their return to the base, and by virtue, how long round 3 of Alex vs Badigadi was, is unknown. We do know they traveled quite the distance though, and that Badigadi was a bit weakened in the next encounter.
EVIDENCE ↓
Alex has mad aura
Prime Alex will be given a “likely H6-A” due to the lack of data on the Dragon King Blade amp. Base Alex will be given a “6-A+, possibly H6-A”
Next we have Eris Greyrat (Dragon King Blade). This one may be controversial, but that's mostly because the majority of the fan base overlooked Eris in Volumes 15 and 25-26 due to the larger fights happening. Within said volumes, Eris is capable of engaging with a full power Orsted in close range, something not even Rudeus was able to do. Next, in volume 25, she was able to kill Gal Farion. Someone who is roughly weaker than Alexander, while still being comparable. Next, you have her other feats, such as holding her own against Fighting God Badigadi on numerous occasions, or Dragon King Blade Alexander on numerous occasions, and all of these are before she gets the King Dragon Blade. Once she was given the King Dragon Blade, she was able to hit Badigadi hard enough to stop his regeneration.
Frankly, the summary paragraph above covers most of it. She was able to take down Gal Farion, killing him. She was able to harm Orsted a bit and go relative with him, even cutting off his hand. She was able to land solid hits and tank hits from Fighting God Badigadi and King Dragon Blade Alexander, and, was able to cut off Alexander's hand. And finally, when she was amped by Rudy and the King Dragon Blade, she was able to destroy Badigadi, taking down his regeneration with her.
Rudeus Amped Eris will be given a rating of “H6-A+” due to being above Badigadi in this state.
EVIDENCE ↓
Wait I lied Eris has the most aura, sorry Alex
Section Two
As stated previously, this section will cover those who scale below the feat, albiet, not by a large margin. Characters in this section with scale from anywhere to H6-B to 6-A+, these characters will be given a “at least”, and a “at most” rating, along with some of them having “varies”, “likely”, and “possibly”, this is due to the lack of calculations at the time of creation. These characters are mostly those who scale slightly below or relative but not equal to those in section 1.
This section will cover the following:
Rudeus Greyrat (Mark 1), Demon God Laplace, Technique God Laplace, Eris Greyrat (Base)
We will go in no specific order.
To begin, Demon God Laplace and Technique God Laplace are stated to be two equal halfs of the Demonic Dragon God Laplace. Thus, we must take the original value of our calculation at the top of the post, and slice it in half. This results in the number:
1.609911e+25j
Which is contentinal (6-A, possibly 6-A+), this is pretty simple, so I'll link my scans then go to the next character:
EVIDENCE ↓
Laplace turns into Laplace(2)
Next, we have Mark 1 Rudeus Greyrat. As seen in section 1, he was able to clash with the likes of Alexander Rybak (King Dragon Blade), and Suppressed Orsted. The primary reason Mark 1 Rudeus is here rather than section 1 is due to an anti-feat, which is having his armor 1 shot by Badigadi once he got the Fighting God Armor.
Thus, I propose a “At least 6-A, likely 6-A+, and possibly H6-A (albiet, on the lower end)” as simply, he tanks and overpowers characters like Alexander Rybak, and also gets one shot by Fighting God Badigadi. A varies rating could also work here, as I believe this to be a problem of inconsistent scaling.
It could also be the case that Rudeus was fueling more or less mana into the suit during x feat or y anti-feat, and thus, a varies rating could also work based on that. Albiet, this is assumption and we don't have much proof other than the fact he changed mana amount, and subsequentially, his stats in, Volume 15, vs Orsted, along with Volume 25 vs Alexander.
If this is the case, then varying from 6-A to H6-A works for me.
The evidence for this is all in section 1 aswell.
Now that we have a general baseline for this tier (Demon and Technique God Laplace), and have seen how someone may scale to it (Mark 1 Rudeus), I only see it fitting to continue with this section, thus, we shall cover Eris Greyrat (base).
Within her base form, she was able to cut off the hand of a suppressed Orsted (Vol 15, vs Rudeus Mark 1), doing more damage than Rudeus at any given moment in the fight. On top of this, Eris shows the capability to cut off the hand of Alexander Rybak (King Dragon Blade), and she is also one of the few to take hits from Badigadi. She was also able to cut through the fighting god armor during the Badigadi fight, a feat only Rudeus, Orsted, and Laplace himself have achieved. Furthermore, she defeated and slayed Gal Farion.
EVIDENCE ↓
Rudeus needs to give ME eris
Given this, it feels accurate to assign her a rating of “6-A, likely 6-A+, at most H6-A”, as established in the previous section, characters like Fighting God Badigadi, or Alexander Rybak should be H6-A, and thus, she should be aswell. The Orsted and Gal feats are just extra evidence to add to that claim.
Anyways, to conclude, I'll have a quick summary of each character for mods to skim.
Laplace
→ Demonic Dragon God Laplace | at least High 6-A
Calculated to be H6-A while heavily weakened from two previous fights, pretty evident.
→ Demon and Technique Gods Laplace | at least 6-A+
Each half is stated to have exactly half of the Demonic Dragon God Laplace's power, so we simply halved the accepted calc.
Fighting God Badigadi | High 6-A
Survived the feat calced and used as justification for Laplace.
Alexander Rybak | Varies, 6-A+ through High 6-A depending on King Dragon Blade, up to at least High 6-A with Fighting God Armor
Relative to Badigadi, with very similar feats, taking on the likes of Mark 1 Rudeus, or Alex, characters who went relative with Badigadi with the King Dragon Blade. Once obtaining the Fighting God Armor, he one shots everyone that was fighting Badigadi and forces Orsted into a longer battle and forces Orsted to go all out, survives hits from a full power Orsted.
Eris Greyrat | 6-A+, possibly H6-A in base, up to High 6-A+ with the King Dragon Blade.
Eris shows the capability to cut off the hands, and other body parts of Alexander Rybak or Orsted. Able to cut through the fighting god armor, and was able to erase Badigadi fully using her AP once obtaining the King Dragon Blade.
Rudeus Greyrat | Varies based on armor and mana output. 6-A and likely 6-A+ in Mark 1, possibly High 6-A in Mark 1 (charged). High 6-A in Mark 0.
Able to clash with the likes of Orsted, Alexander Rybak, etc in Mark 1 when charged up. When not charged up, Mark 1 is easily destroyed by Badigadi. Once obtaining and charging up Mark 0, he's able to destroy the majority of the Fighting God Armor and to battle Badigadi on equal footing.
Alex Rybak | 6-A+ in base, possibly High 6-A, likely High 6-A in prime.
Was able to hold Badigadi off for an extended period, was able to hold off Alexander, both without his mythical blade. With the King Dragon Blade he's implied to be exponentially stronger.
More CRTs for MT will come later, I just wanted to finish this one and send it in for review.
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