Murder drones CRT: major revisions

[Moon_Crasher]

Wasn't it mentioned in the show that they intended for the ships to be one-way and never planned on having them come back?

It had more to do with N believing that the "company" didn't teach them how to land. Cyn also said she would bring N back through her backups after she finished her mission (even after N had "served his purpose"), showing that she wasn't really going to leave them behind.

Also, which ship is the one we believe J is attempting to repair? The one in the spire or the one Cyn brought? J is fixing the ship inside the corpse spire, so I'd assume it's that one.

 

[Soul80]

This scan, which is what you presented as supporting proof for memory manipulation and information manipulation, is only talking about the fact that Cyn made Nori lose some memories,

It's not says about that she only that she lost all memories , it says it purged Those memories but and also sent dissembly drones, singularity files including formulas which it shows before in episode 4, this isn't even a only argument why it's information manipulation but because in episode 4, it shows the illustration of the formulas which clearly was sent by absolute solver into Nori memory files.

something she did with N by "digitally lobotomizing him" as Uzi stated. This is already accepted on Cyn's profile, but she didn't gain information manipulation for it.

This is isn't main argument because we didn't try to expand it further more so this image and justification of this thread should expand this ability key

Uh what? The paper literally says

And you didn't read it in whole huh.

So yes, she did remove some of memories, and likely did it in the same way she removed N's memories.

Not the same because N still had his memories back to then, while Solver completely deleted some of her files and sent this information

Didn't read the scans when you didn't even read the scans you sent?

I saw purge but you're ignored the same statement that absolute solver sented to her.

 

[Moon_Crasher]

It had more to do with N believing that the "company" teach them how to land. Cyn also said she would bring N back through her backups after she finished her mission (even after N had "served his purpose"), showing that she wasn't really going to leave them behind.

Also, which ship is the one we believe J is attempting to repair? The one in the spire or the one Cyn brought? J is fixing the ship inside the corpse spire, so I'd assume it's that one.

Also, Cyn likely wouldn't bother having J destroy all the ships besides her own if they couldn't have the potential to leave the planet.

 

[Soul80]

.Also, which ship is the one we believe J is attempting to repair? The one in the spire or the one Cyn brought? J is fixing the ship inside the corpse spire, so I'd assume it's that one.

The one Cyn brought because this is was a last spaceship which we seen in previous episodes.

 

[Moon_Crasher]

The one Cyn brought because this is was a last spaceship which we seen in previous episodes.

But wasn't J fixing the ship in the spire? (To be fair she's likely using parts from both ships)

 

[Niko]

But wasn't J fixing the ship in the spire? (To be fair she's likely using parts from both ships)

This is actually irrelevant, either way the ship that was destroyed was almost fully rebuilt.

 

[Mythic381]

It's not says about that she only that she lost all memories , it says it purged

What do you think purge means? I also never said "all" I said "some" so good job misinterpreting.

but and also sent dissembly drones, singularity files including formulas which it shows before in episode 4, this isn't even a only argument why it's information manipulation but because in episode 4, it shows the illustration of the formulas which clearly was sent by absolute solver into Nori memory files.

Again, like @ActuallySpaceMan42 said, there's no proof she did that via injecting information into her mind, which can quote again:

Because there's no proof that's what Cyn did.

Maybe, or she might have told her, or sent it as data, or any other number of things.

The point is, it's all a theory, we have no confirmation, therefore it can't be listed.

She had various ways to do it.

This is isn't main argument because we didn't try to expand it further more so this image and justification of this thread should expand this ability key

It's a supporting argument. The only thing the scan gives is further proving that Cyn can remove memories, but it doesn't prove she injected Nori with, as again, it's not stated, so you have no proof for it.

And you didn't read it in whole huh.

I did read the whole paper, it's literally the same as the original argument, assuming that since Nori was given information about events that were going to happen in the future, it must mean she did it the way you're describing.

Not the same because N still had his memories back to then, while Solver completely deleted some of her files and sent this information

Uh what? It literally is the same. She deleted some of N's memories, and also deleted some of Nori's memories. You do realize that to a robot, memories are files right? Meaning in both cases, she deleted some of their files to manipulate their memories.

I saw purge but you're ignored the same statement that absolute solver sented to her.

Because the other stuff are quite literally irrelevant. It's the same argument you've overused, as it's practically:

• Cyn can delete memories by digitally lobotomizing the drones.
• Nori was somehow given information about future events.
• So it must mean that the way Nori was given those information, was by Cyn injecting her with information.

This is ignoring a lot of possibilities:

• Cyn can make characters experience events.
• Cyn can make holograms to show fake stuff going on. And since those events hadn't happened yet, they were technically "fake."
• Cyn could've used her possession, hivemind and hacking to share the information from her mind to her mind.

So again, you have no proof that Cyn explicitly shared the information in the way you're describing. That's conjecture.

 

[Moon_Crasher]

She says in that video that she lied and was tricked.

The deal they had with Cyn was more like if they did their jobs, she would leave them alone. The lie was Cyn leaving them alone and not coming to Copper 9 as she always intended to come back to Copper 9 and keep them as her puppets for her planetary slaughter and for fun. So, the deal is just about getting away from Cyn, not really about them leaving the planet, quite the opposite actually.

 

[Kirua29]

Again, like @ActuallySpaceMan42 said, there's no proof she did that via injecting information into her mind, which can quote again:

Yes, but in all cases, this is the only logical explanation.

As already said, the Solver has never shown the ability to directly communicate with its host. And the other option actually supports our point, because sending data still counts as memory manipulation.

It also qualifies as information manipulation, because the Absolute Solver sent formulas, numbers, and data, including the Disassembly Drone files and information about the coming singularity, as we saw in Episode 4.

It's a supporting argument. The only thing the scan gives is further proving that Cyn can remove memories, but it doesn't prove she injected Nori with, as again, it's not stated, so you have no proof for it.

But then, why does he contradict Nori when she says that there was a modification in her memory files?

Because if part of her memory was erased, and she then knows things she is not supposed to know, it means there was a modification. That seems logical to me.

 

[Mythic381]

Yes, but in all cases, this is the only logical explanation.

It really isn't, and I just mentioned all the logical ways she could've done it. Ways that we know Cyn has the abilities for.

As already said, the Solver has never shown the ability to directly communicate with its host. And the other option actually supports our point, because sending data still counts as memory manipulation.

Sending data in which way is how it matters. And this is only one of the many various explanations that were mentioned before. What you're doing is just selecting the interpretations that support your argument and ignoring the rest, the rest being ones which don't, yet we see Cyn being able to use on screen.

But then, why does he contradict Nori when she says that there was a modification in her memory files?

What?

Because if part of her memory was erased, and she then knows things she is not supposed to know, it means there was a modification. That seems logical to me.

Her memories were erased, so what makes you think the memories that were erased were the information Cyn gave to Nori? Do we even know what memories were specifically erased?

 

[Kirua29]

Sending data in which way is how it matters. And this is only one of the many various explanations that were mentioned before. What you're doing is just selecting the interpretations that support your argument and ignoring the rest, the rest being ones which don't, yet we see Cyn being able to use on screen.

The “varied explanations” in question are that the Solver could have told Nori, or that the Solver could have sent her data.

But no, the Solver has never shown the ability to directly speak with its host. And the other option actually proves our point, because sending data would still count as memory manipulation.

And no, I’m not cherry-picking anything. These are your arguments. Or maybe I missed some, but if that’s the case, then there is no selection going on here. Those arguments are anything but varied.

What?

My bad, I explained it really badly.

Basically, what I meant is that Nori’s drawings clearly state that the Solver manipulated her memory files by deleting some of them. That is what she explains when she says she got out and her brain was messed up enough for her to have a child.

Then, in episode 4, Uzi’s father explains that at some point Nori went insane and started making a lot of drawings. So this means that, at some point in between, she recovered her memories, and that event is what drove her insane.

Her memories were erased, so what makes you think the memories that were erased were the information Cyn gave to Nori? Do we even know what memories were specifically erased?

Well, absolutely all of them, or almost all of them, since she explains that she was completely confused after that, as explained above.

 

[Mythic381]

The “varied explanations” in question are that the Solver could have told Nori, or that the Solver could have sent her data.

Not just "told her" but also shown her, which was the point of mentioning stuff like Cyn making them perceive events and holograms.

But no, the Solver has never shown the ability to directly speak with its host. And the other option actually proves our point, because sending data would still count as memory manipulation.

Yeah, I've never mentioned that.

And no, I’m not cherry-picking anything. These are your arguments. Or maybe I missed some, but if that’s the case, then there is no selection going on here. Those arguments are anything but varied.

• Make characters experience events.
• Can create holograms.
• Can possess people.

All stuff I directly mentioned before. And "can possess" isn't me referring to communication, but she could've remembered some of the things Cyn was thinking while possessing her.

Then, in episode 4, Uzi’s father explains that at some point Nori went insane and started making a lot of drawings.

We don't actually know if Nori was insane though. The only proof we have was Khan seeing his wife write weird formulas and predict weird things, that alone could've made him think that she's gone insane without her actually going insane.

So this means that, at some point in between, she recovered her memories, and that event is what drove her insane.

No? There's no implication of that? We don't even know when she was given those information.

Well, absolutely all of them, or almost all of them, since she explains that she was completely confused after that, as explained above.

She just said "brain scrambled enough to have a kid" I don't see that being an implication that she lost almost all of her memories, more like she was just not doing very well after the incidents from the trauma and the fact she just ended humanity and stuff.

 

[Kirua29]

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[Kirua29]

Not just "told her" but also shown her, which was the point of mentioning stuff like Cyn making them perceive events and holograms.

A solver has never been shown to communicate with its host using holograms, but yes, the second option is possible, but that also falls under the category of memory manipulation.

All stuff I directly mentioned before. And "can possess" isn't me referring to communication, but she could've remembered some of the things Cyn was thinking while possessing her.

Uzi never had access to Cyn's memories when she was possessed, so Cyn intentionally sent that information to Nori.

We don't actually know if Nori was insane though. The only proof we have was Khan seeing his wife write weird formulas and predict weird things, that alone could've made him think that she's gone insane without her actually going insane.

So, in your opinion, someone who writes a lot of mathematical formulas for no reason and who shouts that the end of the world is near and that the singularity will consume everyone is sane?

No? There's no implication of that? We don't even know when she was given those information.

Well, if Nori went crazy at one point, and we know it, then when we see her again later she's normal, it's because that's how it happened and not otherwise.

She just said "brain scrambled enough to have a kid" I don't see that being an implication that she lost almost all of her memories, more like she was just not doing very well after the incidents from the trauma and the fact she just ended humanity and stuff.

Okay, I agree with you on that point, it's true that even if brain scrambled can really talk about a memory problem, it could also be what you're saying.

 

[Mythic381]

A solver has never been shown to communicate with its host using holograms,

I never said it used its host to create holograms. I mean the Solver itself created holograms for Nori to see.

but yes, the second option is possible, but that also falls under the category of memory manipulation.

Not really, it could be perception manipulation. It depends on how the application would be explained. I also don't mind her having mind manipulation, as she already has it, my point is with information manipulation and madness manipulation.

Uzi never had access to Cyn's memories when she was possessed, so Cyn intentionally sent that information to Nori.

Cyn presumably had possessed Nori for a longer time, so it could've affected her differently. This is one of the weaker interpretations though, as I don't mind it being wrong, just addressing the point that there's multiple was she could've done it.

So, in your opinion, someone who writes a lot of mathematical formulas for no reason and who shouts that the end of the world is near and that the singularity will consume everyone is sane?

No? Because we know that's what ended up actually happening. Obviously in the eyes of everyone around her, she'll seem insane, but in the eyes of us the viewers who knew it happened, and even Khan after figuring out it was true, she doesn't seem insane.

Well, if Nori went crazy at one point, and we know it, then when we see her again later she's normal, it's because that's how it happened and not otherwise.

This relies on the assumptions that:

• Nori had these memories a long time ago.
• Somehow lost them.
• Later regained them.
• Gone mad.
• Went normal again.

It seems to unlikely to assume that.

 

[Kirua29]

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[Moon_Crasher]

How did this thread reach 7 pages without getting any staff votes that count? (Did we get any yet?)

 

[Kirua29]

How did this thread reach 7 pages without getting any staff votes that count? (Did we get any yet?)

we have @ActuallySpaceMan42 just 1 for now

 

[Moon_Crasher]

we have @ActuallySpaceMan42 just 1 for now

Just need two more votes then.

 

[Mythic381]

Just need two more votes then.

This isn't a tier 1 addition, nor is the verse (from what I know) is considered controversial, so you only need 1.

 

[Moon_Crasher]

This isn't a tier 1 addition, nor is the verse (from what I know) is considered controversial, so you only need 1.

Well, I just thought that since the title said MAJOR CRT.

 

[Mythic381]

In the grand scheme of things, it really isn't lol

 

[Moon_Crasher]

In the grand scheme of things, it really isn't lol

Yeah, I know, I'm not really sure why it was called that tbh.

 

[Kirua29]

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[Moon_Crasher]

If one vote is all that's needed, can most of this be applied soon?

 

[RealDuker98]

If one vote is all that's needed, can most of this be applied soon?

If we get the vote, then yes.

 

[Kirua29]

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[Kirua29]

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[Mythic381]

Let me ask a few moderators to check this.

 

[Kirua29]

Let me ask a few moderators to check this.

I've already asked more than 5 moderators, none of them have replied.

 

[Mythic381]

I've already asked more than 5 moderators, none of them have replied.

Did you ask FinePoint?

 

[Kirua29]

Did you ask FinePoint?

I dont think so

 

[Kirua29]

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[Kirua29]

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[Kirua29]

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[Kirua29]

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