Mythic381
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Only Madness specifically?
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Murder drones CRT: major revisions
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Was there something else?
Mythic381
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Just making sure cuz there's 2 other abilities listed together with it.
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Because there's no proof that's what Cyn did.
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Maybe, or she might have told her, or sent it as data, or any other number of things.
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Sending data in the form of information is still memory manipulation. Caine clearly received memory manipulation by having information sent directly into Jax’s brain (talk about the amezing digital circus), if I remember correctly.
And about the idea that he supposedly no longer had the “right” to do it, it was never demonstrated that a Solver could directly communicate with its host, so that’s not really a solid explanation. The data theory is the best explanation, but data transfer is still memory manipulation.
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I disagreed with the Madness Manipulation, which was done via the proposed Memory & Information Manipulation. I just didn't think I needed to mention it.
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The point is, it's all a theory, we have no confirmation, therefore it can't be listed.
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Mythic381
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Content Mods don't count too btw.
Fair enough. I just rather it being mentioned so we can be clearer.
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I disagree with Madness Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Information Manipulation (Type 1), Teleportation, and Range. I also believe that at least Genius should be changed to Possibly Genius.
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But I think @Soul80 will come debate with you a bit later if you're still open to it; he's better than me on certain topics. But I still counted your vote. If he ends up changing your mind on some points, I’ll modify your vote accordingly.
And thanks for coming and giving your opinion on my CRT.
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But her insanity caused by the same solver information in her memory files no ?
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Irrelevant case though , because this clearly said that it sended to her file memories which is standard for computers and CPUS
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Anyway, may I ask why you're disagree?
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I don't agree with Madness and its extensions because there's no evidence, I don't agree with teleportation because there's no evidence, and I don't agree with Atleast Genius because she could just be welding.
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A evidences that absolute solver did it ? I mean it literally showed here , all those pages which saw from episode 4 was sended by absolute solver in Nori file memories which she write it later (it's also make make her go insane after that)
specifically , which evidences needs?
Uh, not really, because it should be the same debris of the spaceship which Cyn sended to J after it get destroyed by her . it seems illogical for Cyn to send a debris of the spaceship which she couldn't fix If this was the last and only ship in the Copper 9 that they had in order to then move to another system.
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That's good enough for Memory Manipulation, though it would be Limited, since it only works on Drones with the Solver.
Evidence she actually teleported.
I'm going to need you to reword this sentence, because it makes no sense.
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Cyn and Uzi already does have memory manipulation in her page. But however, can you please explain why doesn't the same madness manipulation key work? If that was the reason she went insane.
Here the beginning.
here the place where she teleported to after that (Cabin fever lab)
It doesn't make any sense for Cyn to give her a broken ship if that's the only way she can get out of Copper 9 , this means Cyn believed that J could fix the spaceship even if it was completely destroyed by Cyn. And we saw that she already had a completely fixed spaceship in the credits, so it makes sense for her give a at least genius in intelligence.
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Because it's not a direct infliction of Madness, just a byproduct.
That's fine then, but the calc still needs to be checked.
Wasn't it mentioned in the show that they intended for the ships to be one-way and never planned on having them come back?
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Ok, does this memory manipulation count in The information type 1 then ? (Since absolute solver sended her the same numbers and formulas which we saw in episode 4 )
Sure, though we simple wanted to specific the distance between Khan colony and Cabin fever lab
No, J herself promised V that they will get off from the planet after they will clean other host's and Cabin fever but she didn't tell her that she is worked with Cyn. It's also doesn't make sense for Cyn main goal (She needed spaceship to reach other systems in order to absorb other planets. )
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Sure, but like I said it would be Limited.
She says in that video that she lied and was tricked.
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Aight
Yes, because she didn't tell her about the same Cyn, it wasn't part of their deal
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Still feels like a Possibly Genius to me.
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I mean, she is commander of her group so she could have a more knowledge from Cyn than other dissembly drones so superior on intelligence as well but well.
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There would have 0 reasons for Cyn to deliver a burning broken ship to J, who are both in the same team unless Cyn knows J can fix the ship. In the end, J is seen repairing the ship in the credits. This is evident enough that J is overqualified to be in Possibly Genius position, as Possibly Genius is for characters who are just very clever like life-hacks without requiring deep expertise.
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You can argue it's literally from the same reason that Cyn already has memory manipulation: Her "digitally lobotomizing" N which caused him to lose memories, which led to Uzi intervening and episode 5 happening.
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This didn't give her information manipulation previously.
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It's not actually reason for information type 1
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I'm referring to the scan you're presenting. Cyn making Nori lose memories should be the same application as Cyn digitally lobotomizing N, as there's no reason to assume she could just remove the memories in a different way, otherwise Uzi being able to stop Cyn from doing that should've never been a worry.
This would give her memory manipulation, not her giving more information to Nori, as those are entirely different things.
The part of Cyn making N lose memories didn't give her information manipulation.
Cyn wouldn't get information manipulation because:
- Digitally lobotomizing N didn't give her that. (Maybe it does, but I'll wait for Spaceman's response.)
- Her giving additional information to Nori isn't accepted as literally putting information in her mind.
So like I said. There's many different ways that Cyn should've shared said information with Nori, and it's not limited to "injecting her mind with information."
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Ok, hell are you talking about, lose memory ? This is literally opposite which I said, she never did lose, absolute solver sended those files into her file memories including the same dissembly drones, coming singularity and the same formulas but it never says that she Lost her memory, again, it makes me think that you didn't read the scans at all.
Dude, give actual evidences where did solver removed her actually memories because it never says that AS removed it but only sended files to her memory files
This is literally saying that she sended those images into her file memories right here, otherwise you need translate to know what it say's.
Why you're bringing this argument if it's doesn't have any connections with that I said , this is different key of her ability which shouldn't be connected to the same Nori memory files
This isn't one of the point which should prove why Cyn should have a information manipulation
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This scan, which is what you presented as supporting proof for memory manipulation and information manipulation, is only talking about the fact that Cyn made Nori lose some memories, something she did with N by "digitally lobotomizing him" as Uzi stated. This is already accepted on Cyn's profile, but she didn't gain information manipulation for it.
Uh what? The paper literally says
So yes, she did remove some of memories, and likely did it in the same way she removed N's memories.
Didn't read the scans when you didn't even read the scans you sent?
The literal scan you sent.
Definition of purge:
Because, if Cyn digitally lobotomizing and making N lose memories didn't give her information manipulation, why should her making Nori lose memories in the same way N did give her information manipulation?
@ActuallySpaceMan42 literally agreed that there could've been various ways she gave Nori the information. Most of the ways wouldn't give her information manipulation.
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Did you just pinged moderator ?
Mythic381
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It doesn't work. You can put the command, but they wouldn't actually get notified.
