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true smh
garou clears though, he simply copies goku it's that easy tbh
garou clears though, he simply copies goku it's that easy tbh
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Multiverse of Baldness
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When you say Base you mean God, right? Because goku in base form is just 4B and there is not infinite gap, since Goku reaches 3A and not high 3A
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Maybe i could do a version with Garou
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No I mean base, if for some reason you're restricting it to just manga, that's even worse, because Goku wouldn't wait even in character.
Saitama would start off close enough to him to where Goku would just go into blue and one tap him as Goku already has experience with Broly and knows if he just lets AD run wild he's going to eat shit.
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DBS Goku is 3A in base
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Not the manga version
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Because Goku learns from his errors, like when he lowered his guard with Freezer even if Whis said him to not lower his guard. The Goku is still a saiyan that wants to fight his enemies at their best, like with Freezer for two times, with Cell, the androids, ecc
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you're using the manga version? than he just hakais and or goes MUI and one shots since manga does not have ssbkk he would go for either ssb perfected or MUI
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At this point in time, yes, because of all the times he didn't learn. Was kind of a whole plot point.
And fighting an enemy at their best and fighting an enemy who's evidently going to surpass him by magnitudes (if he even can lmao), are two different things.
And let us not forget how Saitama in character and his AD do not go together and even arguing such a thing is
And then oh, Saitama gets close? Goku goes blue and one shots him. Goku might be an idiot, but you're exaggerating greatly, do i need to list off all teh times he didn't do that? Yakon comes to mind among others.
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Goku doesn't use hakai against someone in a friendly fight and if Goku uses MUI then Saitama copies it
For Goku Saitama's AD would start being a treat only if it gets too fast, so until he gets almost at SSG level, like what happened to Broly
The AD comes from emotions and Saitama is finally fighting someone stronger than him, the fight he wants
Saitama's getting close? Goku goes blue and Saitama already reached his level
Then i could say that Saitama oneshots him before he gets super saiyan, since he did that too against his enemies
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Dude, that is not the type of "emotions" that kick the AD in, Saitama even said himself he finally got a strong foe against Garou yet didn't really give a shit and wasn't at all excited, this, of course, tells us that excitement or fighting a strong foe isn't the catalyst for the exponential AD, because they were absent.
His AD kicked in because he felt a surge of emotions he never felt before, given we know it isn't excitement or a strong foe, that basically leaves us with the fact he was furious. His getting a good fight isn't going to cause him to grow exponentially lmao, unless Goku went and killed Genos or some shit, it's useless, Saitama needs to be basically bloodlusted for AD to happen.
Again, do you not realize how large of a gap that is?
Using manga Goku it's a jump from 4-B to 3-A, it's close to a 84869200000000000000000000x difference, Saitama gets close to Goku', Goku goes blue, and then fight's over, that's it, even with AD Saitama isn't closing that gap, if he even could, unless they just sat there for ages.
And if we use the anime, it's a literally infinite gap so Saitama ain't doing shit even if he had a million years.
No, you really couldn't, that's what we call being disingenuous and it's heavily frowned upon, it also contradicts your whole argument up to this point in that Saitama would rely on AD. My point is, Goku can and has defeated foes instantly when the situation called for it. Frieza you're taking out of context, Cell he never even planned to defeat himself and if he could have he would have as seen when Goku for a moment thought Gohan wasn't going to fight properly, the androids I'd have to argue otherwise because he was literally having a heart attack and was getting weaker and weaker, and the other androids he never fought. Goku for sure sandbags when he thinks it'd get him a good fight, but that doesn't subtract from cases where if Goku knows he can't afford to **** around, he probably won't, especially if he doesn't think someone is worth his time, which to be blunt, Saitama isn't.
Here's a few pieces of info you're glossing over.
1. Saitama doesn't one shot human-like characters.
2. Saitama in character usually sandbags and lets his foe's do shit for a bit.
3. Saitama can't sense Goku's power, he wouldn't even know Goku is stronger than him so your whole point of "he wants a serious fight" falls flat, he wouldn't even know.
4. Goku in turn can sense power, so he'd know Saitama isn't even worth his time at that point, or if for whatever reason Goku decides to fight someone who is like a decillion times weaker than his best, he'd pick up Saitama is skyrocketing exponentially and put an end to it whenever he so chooses.
Saitama gets stomped bad, not even a fight, Goku can end the fight whenever he pleases and Saitama has zero say in the matter unless you backpedal and change rulings all of a sudden.
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Just because his emotions from the fight were overshadowed doesn’t mean those wouldn’t have activated accelerated development by the way
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Except those aren't even the emotions in question that proc'd the AD, nor was it "overshadowed", he flat out says he feels nothing in regards to that, so evidently, excited for a strong foe isn't the cause or the emotion.
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All I’m trying to say is that if you finally had a really fun fight, but also your best friend just died right in front of you, you’d probably forget about the fight even if it was the most exciting thing in your life
that’s basically what happened, and what I mean by “overshadowed”
but in his other keys his AD was activated by even less than that, so…
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I still do not understand what's stopping Goku from just knocking Saitama out for him to not being a challenge to him. Plus this version can just use MUI whenever he likes unlike the anime counterpart.
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And Saitama can copy MUI
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How is he copying MUI when Goku outright trying to knock him out his copying takes time he isn't garou
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If Goku wants to knock him out as fast as he can then he'll use his strongest form immediately, to not give Saitama the time to arrive at his level, so he'll go to MUI. Then Saitama can just copy it and it doesn't take time
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He would only say that in character where he does not copy techniques plus the fact that MUI is a technique not belonging to a specific universe and is only use by gods, will make it much harder to copy.
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You want me to put Saitama non in character or what? Anyway he will still be able to copy MUI
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Not instantly plus he needs to see it which would be hard with the already him having the disadvantage in overall stats which increased even further. All while Goku is trying to one shot him then and there.
So even before he go to use it he would get KO'd and somehow Goku just stopped attacking which is highly unlikely when he decided to use MUI he would still have the edge in terms of h2h. So Saitama is taking the hit one way or another.
So even before he go to use it he would get KO'd and somehow Goku just stopped attacking which is highly unlikely when he decided to use MUI he would still have the edge in terms of h2h. So Saitama is taking the hit one way or another.
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Goku hit's Saitama and instantly beats him, assuming that Saitama doesn't incap himself with Kaioken and or UI (Which I think he would tbh)
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But speed is equilized even with tranformations and AD and Saitama has many ways to dodge since he has precognition, and why it would take time? Saitama was able to immediately copy techniques that could manipulate space and time
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Using precog against MUI? (actually remind me how his precog works again)
plus Goku can use God Bind which Saitama has no resistance to
plus Goku can use God Bind which Saitama has no resistance to
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Again, "time to arrive at his level", do you not understand how large a gap that is?
Goku doesnt need to go MUI to do it as fast as possible, he has beyond enough time to one shot before Saitama even gets close.
And if it's anime Goku, Saitama will never reach MUI's level, an actual beyond infinite gap.
And Saitama copying MUI wouldn't make him equal to Goku's MUI's, MUI is just instinctive reactions + power boost, but the power boost isn't made equal, if Krillin got MUI, he wouldn't jump to Goku's power suddenly with it, he'd just be way above his own base.
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Can't Goku use Godbind since Saitama has no resistence?
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Oh crap I think you're right lol
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Goku can do a lot of shit to him, this isn't even a match, more of a stomp, though, Godbind might be the only thing that wouldn't work. Saitama might just be able to LS his way out of given he actually does hold that advantage by a huge degree, even above Broly's LS.
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He sees the future
MUI is base+power boost, so base Saitama>base Goku then MUI Saitama>MUI Goku
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how tf is MUI Saitama > MUI Goku
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Lmao not how it works, and that's not even getting into the fact Saitama wouldn't even copy it to begin with and the only reason he copied a basic technique against Garou was to prove a point and Saitama actively thinks martial techniques like that are nothing but fancy fluff.
And Base Goku >>>>>>> Base Saitama in the anime, and in if you restrict it to the manga only, the only reason Goku would go MUI would be to put Saitama on his ass, aka Saitama isn't going to be copying anything, because he just got knocked out cold if not flat out killed.
Saitama wouldn't even be capable of perceiving MUI Goku fast enough to even register what it is that he's supposed to be copying. Lest we forget MUI is also an insane speed boost, Saitama is getting blitzed, even speed equal.
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Read the rules in the first page
Speed is equilized
Then how it works?
If they have the same boost then the one with the strongest base form will be the strongest
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Rules also say in character lad, arbitrarily ignoring how a character functions just because you want Saitama to win (he isn't going to even with your rules) is not only arbitrary, but it's actively ignorant. And hell, Saitama isn't even going to know what's a serious fight to begin with because he can't sense a foe's power, how is he going to know? He wouldn't.
Yeah, and transformations and boosts still get applied in speed equal, Saitama is equalized to Goku's base. If Goku goes SSJ1 or MUI or Kaioken or whatever, he's still getting that speed multiplier. This is how speed equal has worked for years, the only way around that would be to start Goku in his higher forms, thus they'd get speed equalized instead, but I don't think you want Goku starting in his strongest form so he looks at Saitama funny and kills him by accident.
Who knows, but it sure as hell ain't like that otherwise Beerus's UIS would have been absolutely asinine compared to Goku's UIS, but it wasn't.
So Goku then
Or Beerus then
Saitama gets beat into the ground and it isn't even an argument. Actual copium going on here.
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No.... also Goku can use UI on his other forms (like combining SSG with UI) so he does not need to go MUI
Speed Equilized means nothing if he gets one shotted in h2h
Even if he somehow copied MUI and perfected it, Goku still outskills
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Let me lay it out clearly and obviously, what the argument's are for Goku,
And Saitama's arguments are...
.... One side has Logic and clear evidence, the other kinda doesn't, just saying.
- Saitama will not know if he should take the fight seriously because even with the Haki buff you gave him from earlier in the gauntlet, it would be out of character for him to spoil himself using it.
- Goku is likely to start getting serious well before Saitama's AD even does anything of note
- Goku Blitzes via Forms
- Goku one shots 99.9999999999999% of the time
- If Saitama tries to copy say, Kaioken or MUI, then it's game over for him, especially Kaioken, because even if he "Perfects" it, his body would not be used to the techniques and the strain they apply to him
- Goku can attempt a Seal via Mafuba if he can find a container during the fight
- If it's Anime Goku, there will be a infinite gap that cannot be crossed no matter how much AD Saitama uses
- If it's Manga Goku, it's even more likely than before that he won't mess around as much, seeing as that's the entire point of the Moro arc
- BFR via Instant Transmission or other Means is possible
- Possibly use God Bind to Incap
- Hakai for the Manga version. Nuff said.
- Goku easily outskills in the very, VERY unlikely possibility that Saitama catches up
And Saitama's arguments are...
- Well he will cheat and look into the future even though it's out of character
- He will catch up before Goku does anything anyway
- He will have no really important drawback from using Kaioken even though after training it for multiple years Goku still suffer's adverse effects from Lower Levels of KK, and can even experience death if he pushes it too far
.... One side has Logic and clear evidence, the other kinda doesn't, just saying.
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