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Beerus was greatly holding back and he stated that himself so yes he was barely using his strength against Goku even if it has nothing to do with SSB multiplier
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Multiverse of Baldness
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Beerus stated that with his full power he would be able to defeat SSb kaioken×10 or normal kaioken would have used all his power. So for you Beerus used 0,2% of his power against Beerus or there is statement on the wiki that says something else?
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Okay, then Saitama uses kaioken x30 or more to reduce the gap between himself and SSB, so his AD would be so fast to bring him in base to the power level of SSB Goku
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using kaioken x30 only to just pass out from the after effects? ok lmao
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Saitama's body is much more resistent than Goku's and that resistence is applied to his internal organs, and his resistence continues to grow every second. So the kaioken won't be a problem for Saitama and his organs
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I am pretty sure Boo would wipe the floor with Saitama. DBZ is probably the most a full powered Saitama can take on. If you ask me, he might be able to beat SSJ3 Goku. There is no chance Saitama even touches the Z fighters from Super. Anyone who scales to base Goku should be at least universal if not higher. To be honest, I believe that Saitama will never beat Goku because OPM doesn't have the cosmology to just even try, at least for now.
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How exactly is his resistance increasing ?
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No. Just, no. Saitama's body is nowhere near as Durable as Goku's is, and Goku can only handle KK x20. Saitama will end up knocking himself out of the fight if he tries to get away with x30.
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Because his physical abilities increase
I am talking about physical resistence without ki, since kaioken affects the user's body. Without ki how strong is Goku?
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Strong enough to take on Red Ribbon Army's weaponry or probably around Darkshine level
Also, you should remove Saitama in character because he has never shown to copy techniques and uses it against their opponent like Garou does, making it out of character for him even in serious battle.
Baldy's growing physical resistance should not matter since he chose to go Kaioken x30 without any sort of training is already going to affect him greatly even more so against someone who is still much higher than him in terms of power and speed so Goku is still one shotting him in SSBx20 KK regardless.
Unless Saitama has ability to make him untouchable against Goku.
Also, you should remove Saitama in character because he has never shown to copy techniques and uses it against their opponent like Garou does, making it out of character for him even in serious battle.
Baldy's growing physical resistance should not matter since he chose to go Kaioken x30 without any sort of training is already going to affect him greatly even more so against someone who is still much higher than him in terms of power and speed so Goku is still one shotting him in SSBx20 KK regardless.
Unless Saitama has ability to make him untouchable against Goku.
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If i remove in character it will be worse for Goku, since Saitama will start to spam haki and dodge every attack. The only thing i changed is that Saitama will copy his enemy's power if he gets serious in battle.
No, when Saitama copies someone he already masters his techniques and perfectionates them, like he did with Garou, and physical resistence matters because kaioken is a problem for Goku's body, that cannot resist to the pressure the technique exerts on it.
Using kaioken×30 will bring him almost at the level of SSB immediately, then his AD will become even faster so he will reach that level in base in less than a minute. Then Goku wouldn't transform in a such superior form unless Saitama reaches a similiar power.
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Saitama will literally never bridge the gap between Goku's base and Goku's peak in a fight even if Goku lets him.
There is like, an actual infinite power gap there, and even then, the gap between Saitama and Goku's base alone is already such a drastic amount, Goku would have to sit there for a day waiting for him to catch up, only for him to wait that long again the moment he goes Blue or something.
You're underestimating just how many zeroes Saitama is going to have to bridge.
There is like, an actual infinite power gap there, and even then, the gap between Saitama and Goku's base alone is already such a drastic amount, Goku would have to sit there for a day waiting for him to catch up, only for him to wait that long again the moment he goes Blue or something.
You're underestimating just how many zeroes Saitama is going to have to bridge.
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Goku is 4B in base and 3A in God, the gap between them isn't infinite since 3A isn't infinite energy.
The AD doesn't continue at the same speed, so the more time he spends to get stronger the faster it will be. And could you write the difference between 4A and 3A?
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I'm aware, I'm saying this with that in mind lad.
There is over a 84869200000000000000000000x between just baseline 3-B (which Saitama is below) and baseline 3-A (Which Goku is thousands of times above).
Even at an exponential rate, Saitama is going to take ages to hit Goku's base, and then Goku turns blue and the gap widens like that again, assuming we just don't go with funny jump between 3-A and low 2-C being actual infinite.
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And when did he used copied abilities against someone in fight?
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And even if he does Goku would still be getting stronger himself plus he is already much stronger than him due to combining SSB with Kaioken x20 and the fact that he can punch at a single point for even greater boost, making it pretty much KO.
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well to be fair, by the time he hit goku's base his exponential AD would be so fast that it'd probably make him like a million times stronger in a nanosecond afterwards, so blue would be really irrelevant at that point
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pretty sure Goku would legit go all out the second he reaches his SSG level or around that level
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If Goku goes all out using ultra instinct then Saitama copies it
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Garou, but that doesn't matter since i added that Saitama will copy in serious battles as a rule
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If Goku without ki is at Darkshine level then Saitama should be able to use something like kaioken×100 or more?
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Saitama using KKx100 is Pure Conjecture and blatantly not going to happen.
Ki is a natural part of the Body in DB. As such, removing it from Goku to calculate KK's damage to his body is disingenuous to the nature of how the verse works and the Biology of characters in it. Goku had to train his body to hell and back just to get it to endure KKx2's strain. Saitama meanwhile is not even remotely used to the technique. If Saitama tried some ludicrous level of KK or even just x5, his body would die before the AD could even react.
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When Saitama copies a technique he perfectionates and masters it, and Goku was able to use it when he was on Namecc, so i don't think Saitama will die with kaioken×5.
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Perfecting kaioken isn't going to reduce the straining on his body at most the duration. And nothing stopping Goku from copying Saitama as well.
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What would Goku copy from Saitama? Anyway if the straining on the body is always the same Saitama already has a greater resistence external and internal than Goku on Namecc and has a great pain tollerance at leat at the same level of Goku's
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Straining would be different since Goku's body is much better than that of humans and you said Baldy using x30 kaioken which is greatly going to put strain on him especially since he never train ( Even if he perfects it ) it will severely put a toll in him. He would legit pass out from over useage, it's just gonna do more harm than good to him since he would need to still close the gap and get in range to punch goku while Goku can just outrange him and still one shot by kamehameha or punching the air targeting his vitals for KO.
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Saitama's body too
Perfects it and masters it even if he never trained to use it, since he already did it with other techniques more compless than kaioken
To close the gap he just needs to wait less than a second, since his AD would reach astronomical levels
Saitama copies all of Goku's techniques, so Saitama will simply use kamehameha, fly, ecc.
And targeting his vitals won't work, since someone already tried and failed
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Perfecting it means nothing since he would still get the side effects of Kaioken, Goku mastered it years ago yet he still had to deal with it's immense strain over his body, it would be the same for Saitama (even more so if he goes for a higher number like x30 which would mostly going to knock him out) .
And even with kk x30 he is still going to be weaker in terms of stats against Goku who at that point is trying to finish the fight as fast as he can.
Someone did try targeting Saitama's vital but he just got outstats by Baldy, meanwhile Goku needs a single attack for KO here.
And even with kk x30 he is still going to be weaker in terms of stats against Goku who at that point is trying to finish the fight as fast as he can.
Someone did try targeting Saitama's vital but he just got outstats by Baldy, meanwhile Goku needs a single attack for KO here.
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Even if continues to strain his body Saitama will never be knocked out by that, he trained so much that he almost died pushing his body to the limit for 3 years without pauses and meanwhile he fought and killed monsters stronger than him that almost killed him. Then his body will feel less the strain since it is much more resistent than Goku's.
If Saitama went from 4A to 3A (since Goku is getting super serious to finish the fight), his AD will be so fast that it will take few seconds to close the gap and surpass Goku again.
Yeah, but his organs are still more resistent, so Goku's attack will hurt him, but not enough to kill him, this until Saitama surpasses him again. And Saitama wouldn't care that much if someone hit his organs, he continued to fight monsters with his organs destroyed by his enemies and his training
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few seconds is not helping against someone who is already ahead of you in terms of stats and is trying to KO you since there is not time to waste and how is he more resistant than Goku?
Also Goku was having trouble going more than x5 and Baldy here is using x30 he is already using Kaioken beyond what it's supposed to be used.
Also Goku was having trouble going more than x5 and Baldy here is using x30 he is already using Kaioken beyond what it's supposed to be used.
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Of course every second is important and both of them know it, and speed is equilized.
I'm talking of his physical body, the one that is affected by kaioken, since Goku's durability is universal only when he uses his ki to protect himself, while kaioken affects directly his body and organs
The difference here is that Saitama's body is different from Goku's, then Saitama's body is more resistent than Goku's, Saitama has a greater pain tollerance and a greater will power, and his AD will help him to resist even better
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Based on what exactly? In fact, I'd argue that based on feats, Saitama has bad pain tolerance and will power.
Pain Tolerance? He's never even been hurt for him to display any notable showing, and if you mean pre-training, that's actually nothing compared to what we've seen Goku take.
Willpower? Same as above except Goku has multiple feats of willpower that eclipses Saitama like drinking what is effectively just poison that harms the souls, Saitama's best display of willpower is doing some basic training, which Goku does every day but magnitudes more intense.
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Saitama did a training that almost killed him, dastroying his body, every day for 3 years without stopping and meanwhile he fought many monsters even stronger than him, even if his body was in pain due to his training. And after all of this he alone, even if he had no potential, broke his limiter only withhis willpower.
Anyway doing a more difficult training doesn't mean that you have a greater willpower
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Also again, even with an exponential amp, Goku will have beyond enough time to realize what's happening and to just tap Saitama out cold. Having exponential AD doesn't help when you're like 18 zeros behind your foe's base, only for him to instantly turn blue and ohko you before he can catch up to that, assuming Goku even waited long enough for Saitama to catch up in the first place
Also Saitama is incapable of AD'ing into Tier 2, he will never be able to catch up with Goku's higher forms until OPM whips out some higher feats
That kinda goes against you, his training was basic run-of-the-mill shit, and it nearly killed him according to you, that's not a feat, it's an anti-feat.
Fighting things stronger than him isn't impressive by shounen standards, Goku does that like every fight and gets his ass kicked too, yet he still fights, hell Goku's taken far more grievous wounds and kept at it then basically anyone in OPM has sustained minus dude's who are 1. Dead. 2. Zombieman or Garou.
But unlike Saitama, Goku has other such feats that bolster his willpower like the water and pain tolerance far beyond what Saitama has shown.
When all Saitama has is some basic training he didn't give up like most people irl can attend to (even pointed out in the manga how it isn't actually impressive), and then fighting and getting beat up a few times, all that gives Saitama is some of the most lukewarm willpower and pain tolerance I've ever seen in a manga, it's nothing special, especially not on par with Goku who's done everything Saitama has, but worse, ten times over plus extra.
Only good willpower feat Saitama has is webcomic only.
Saitama gets memed on by current Goku, it's not even funny, even with his mimicry and accelerated development, his only advantage isn't even going to matter because Goku is probably just going to knock him on his ass after a hour of waiting for him to catch up.
Yeah, basic training
That kinda goes against you, his training was basic run-of-the-mill shit, and it nearly killed him according to you, that's not a feat, it's an anti-feat.
Fighting things stronger than him isn't impressive by shounen standards, Goku does that like every fight and gets his ass kicked too, yet he still fights, hell Goku's taken far more grievous wounds and kept at it then basically anyone in OPM has sustained minus dude's who are 1. Dead. 2. Zombieman or Garou.
But unlike Saitama, Goku has other such feats that bolster his willpower like the water and pain tolerance far beyond what Saitama has shown.
Yes actually, doing more difficult training and not giving up does in fact, implicate higher willpower, what sort of statement is that? Doing training in the hyperbolic time chamber kinda eclipses what Saitama did, by magnitudes, in every factor.
When all Saitama has is some basic training he didn't give up like most people irl can attend to (even pointed out in the manga how it isn't actually impressive), and then fighting and getting beat up a few times, all that gives Saitama is some of the most lukewarm willpower and pain tolerance I've ever seen in a manga, it's nothing special, especially not on par with Goku who's done everything Saitama has, but worse, ten times over plus extra.
Only good willpower feat Saitama has is webcomic only.
Saitama gets memed on by current Goku, it's not even funny, even with his mimicry and accelerated development, his only advantage isn't even going to matter because Goku is probably just going to knock him on his ass after a hour of waiting for him to catch up.
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Again, I don’t really disagree with you chariot but by the time his AD reaches Goku’s base, the rate of growth would just be too fast for blue to even matter
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I don't think you understand the gap between Goku and Saitama, and then the gap between Goku's base and Blue.
Saitama would have to AD his way to Goku, and then basically do it again.
That's even assuming Saitama can hit Goku's power to begin with, there's an actual infinite gap between him and Goku.
Saitama would have to AD his way to Goku, and then basically do it again.
That's even assuming Saitama can hit Goku's power to begin with, there's an actual infinite gap between him and Goku.
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